Remove "Dishonorable" Status
dynamicflow
Hadn't been on GW in a while and I logged in to get some glad points. I lagged into the arena on RA and got tagged by my team as "Dishonorable", something which I had no idea was implemented. What a terrible idea for a game, and there is a prime example why. What about those people that run all defense builds? Are the other players, dead, supposed to wait for a pointless build to die? This waiting creates way more problems than it attempts to solve, and I did not give ncsoft my money so other players could dick around with my play time. Thanks for ruining quick and easy pvp, the only aspect of this game that was still worth playing.
gameshoes3003
I understand your problem. For some reason my computer has been rejected Guild Wars which makes the loading time much slower than before.
I have been declared dishonorable once for that, it was kind of poopy then I had to wait out that lousy timer.
It has good intentions, just bad projection.
I have been declared dishonorable once for that, it was kind of poopy then I had to wait out that lousy timer.
It has good intentions, just bad projection.
pumpkin pie
while you petition for this, maybe you can do this so that you don't have to wait for map to load next time.
just thought I help, maybe you already did, look for -image
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Guild Wars client is designed to download the streaming updates in the background or when needed, in a way that will not much interfere with the user. This, however means that when a large-scale update is released, users may be required to wait while necessary files are downloaded and decompressed upon entering a new zone. With this switch, you can force the client to download and decompress all the pending updates on start up so you will not have to wait while entering a new area or mission.
Image:Quest.png The client, when started with this switch, will exit immediately after it is finished with the download and decompression. Do not use this switch in your regular game shortcut. Either use this switch from a command prompt when necessary or make a new shortcut and name it something like "Update Game".
"C:\Program Files\Guild Wars\gw.exe" -image
just thought I help, maybe you already did, look for -image
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Guild Wars client is designed to download the streaming updates in the background or when needed, in a way that will not much interfere with the user. This, however means that when a large-scale update is released, users may be required to wait while necessary files are downloaded and decompressed upon entering a new zone. With this switch, you can force the client to download and decompress all the pending updates on start up so you will not have to wait while entering a new area or mission.
Image:Quest.png The client, when started with this switch, will exit immediately after it is finished with the download and decompression. Do not use this switch in your regular game shortcut. Either use this switch from a command prompt when necessary or make a new shortcut and name it something like "Update Game".
"C:\Program Files\Guild Wars\gw.exe" -image
thedeadlyassassin
I don't say remove it. You should be be penalized for making a team lose because you choose to use shitty internet, or because you "lagged". Your team got penalized with 1 less person, you should get penalized to give your computer a break with the 5 or whatever minutes that you can't play.
However, I say don't give it to us if we leave if there is no way to be rezed (IE, when you h/h and all rez is used up/ unable to be used, you are transported to nearest rez shrine, meaning the game has the ability to know it's over) and we leave. Also, if we leave when the countdown for losing is going off. Why should I be penalized because I don't want to be sickened at my crappy team staring at them for about 10 seconds dead?
However, I say don't give it to us if we leave if there is no way to be rezed (IE, when you h/h and all rez is used up/ unable to be used, you are transported to nearest rez shrine, meaning the game has the ability to know it's over) and we leave. Also, if we leave when the countdown for losing is going off. Why should I be penalized because I don't want to be sickened at my crappy team staring at them for about 10 seconds dead?
HawkofStorms
To be fair, I have a T3 line and a comp that easily fits the game specs (and use -image) and STILL slow load. Don't give him crap about his connection. Some networks just don't have proper servers.
Sirius-NZ
I would conjecture that the Dishonorable status solves more problems than it causes. Sure, you'll get heavy-handed treatment if you had an honest reason, but at least you can wait it off... and we all know most people *wouldn't* have had an honest reason.
crazy diamond
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I would conjecture that the Dishonorable status solves more problems than it causes.
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Bankai
I'm seeing next to no leavers in RA.
That alone is worth it.
That alone is worth it.
tenshi_strife
yea i have to say i love the dishonorable status, i have not once ogtten it and it makes for much mnore rewarding ra, no leavers and no leechers. so you get dishonorable because of lag, well that sucks but it is founded as you really are leeching intenting to or not.
so i would say try and reduce lag via -image or shutting down some other programs but it should not be ahuge problem cause i used to play gw on dial up so cable should work it just fine and dsl should be fine too.
and really in the end its 10 mins lol, i mean come on go pve or something for ten mins or, god forbid, leave the comp and eat drink or piss. /notsigned.
so i would say try and reduce lag via -image or shutting down some other programs but it should not be ahuge problem cause i used to play gw on dial up so cable should work it just fine and dsl should be fine too.
and really in the end its 10 mins lol, i mean come on go pve or something for ten mins or, god forbid, leave the comp and eat drink or piss. /notsigned.
Antheus
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| I lagged into the arena on RA and got tagged by my team as "Dishonorable" |
Then why go on with this:
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| What about those people that run all defense builds? Are the other players, dead, supposed to wait for a pointless build to die? This waiting creates way more problems than it attempts to solve, and I did not give ncsoft my money so other players could dick around with my play time. Thanks for ruining quick and easy pvp, the only aspect of this game that was still worth playing. |
You didn't lag - you were rage quitting. Otherwise you wouldn't mention the second part.
Ctb
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| Haha! I beg to differ. I grief more with it than without it! |
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| so i would say try and reduce lag via -image or shutting down some other programs but it should not be ahuge problem cause i used to play gw on dial up so cable should work it just fine and dsl should be fine too. |
However, I think the ratio of slow loaders to people that are just jerks is probably pretty low.
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| Are the other players, dead, supposed to wait for a pointless build to die? |
I wish, however, that you could, as a team, kick other members. For example, if everyone else wants you gone, you get kicked from the team. Then if you're just running around to annoy people, your other teammates can boot you.
tenshi_strife
i think the timer removed the griefing problem, but you can leave and hope for better luck cause you have to leave several times for you to get dishonorable so leaving once and a while is not bad.
Antheus
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| I wish, however, that you could, as a team, kick other members. For example, if everyone else wants you gone, you get kicked from the team. Then if you're just running around to annoy people, your other teammates can boot you. |
It's RA - 3-5 minute matches, not full DoA run.
Ctb
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| Because playing 3 vs. 4 is soooo much better. |
Of course, I don't see why, as a group, you couldn't report the runner as a leecher using the existing tools. If they're not actually contributing to the team, they are, in fact, leeching.
Keithark
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Originally Posted by dynamicflow
Hadn't been on GW in a while and I logged in to get some glad points. I lagged into the arena on RA and got tagged by my team as "Dishonorable", something which I had no idea was implemented. What a terrible idea for a game, and there is a prime example why. What about those people that run all defense builds? Are the other players, dead, supposed to wait for a pointless build to die? This waiting creates way more problems than it attempts to solve, and I did not give ncsoft my money so other players could dick around with my play time. Thanks for ruining quick and easy pvp, the only aspect of this game that was still worth playing.
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1) glad farmers are for the most part what caused them to implement this so now you can't leave just because no monk on your side or you failed to sync with a guildie
2) there is a timer so if they run defense you wil still win so you can still get you glad point unless you lose to before you get 5 in a row
3) no not wait for it to die, kill it..or if you killed the rest of the other team just stand there and wait on timer to end
4) and none of the rest of us paid money so leavers could ruin "our play time"
5) glad points are not suppose to be quick and easy
Antheus
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Originally Posted by Ctb
If you kick a legitimately contributing teammate it's your own dumb fault you're fighting 3v4. The point is that you can, as a dead group, punish those boneheads who think it's the coolest thing ever to bring a build that can serve no purpose but to extend the match and annoy everyone.
Of course, I don't see why, as a group, you couldn't report the runner as a leecher using the existing tools. If they're not actually contributing to the team, they are, in fact, leeching. |
You won't get dishonored if you do it only occasionally - when you get a really really bad and broken group and have a good reason. I think one is even allowed to map out once per hour (5 points/expiration times, ....). Point being, I have on several occasions mapped out (4 monk groups going against 3 monk 1 rit group) and similar. I have yet to be dishonored or reported, including the times where I lagged out in AB or such.
Too much drama for wrong reasons over very useful system that doesn't hurt reasonable legit players. But abuse it, and you get punished.
The system works because it punishes those it's intended to punish.
Kai Nui
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I think they should keep it in Alliance Battles, but as for RA, if you're leeching, you're not leeching for very long anyways because the battles are short. Besides, if you do leave, who cares... it's a game, I don't know why people cry so much over it.
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I think they should keep it in Alliance Battles, but as for RA, if you're leeching, you're not leeching for very long anyways because the battles are short. Besides, if you do leave, who cares... it's a game, I don't know why people cry so much over it.
Darkhell153
Well here's the simple solution to this problem and with Kai Nui's statement. If you don't like the way things are then shut up and stop playing RA and stop trying to quickfarm glad points because it's not supposed to be easy, and it's not supposed to take 1 day of fighting to get the gladiator title (unless your a nerd or someone with a really good build). Things are going to stay the way they are in RA and things should stay the way they are in PvP. The dishonerable status was one of the better decisions of Arenanet and it's not your place to give them a reason to screw up this one!
Ctb
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| You should be be penalized for making a team lose because you choose to use shitty internet, or because you "lagged". Your team got penalized with 1 less person, you should get penalized to give your computer a break with the 5 or whatever minutes that you can't play. |
/ignored
thedeadlyassassin
Editted, the dude editted what he said closely after I replied, which is why people probably think I'm a dumbass.
Stamp
Personally, I don't think people "choose" to have "shitty connections". Many people can't afford the $40 a month for a faster connection. People play GW because there is no monthly fee to play it, thus making it playable on a 28.8k or 56k modem. How can someone be considered "dishonorable" because they loaded in slowly or got an err7 while loading?
I play on cable, and experience lag very seldom.
However, on topic... We had one of our guild members in RA the other night when we were trying to get a GvG going. He was on a team that had won 4 in a row, but we asked him to leave anyways, as he said it would be a while until they lost. He leaves the match to go participate in a guild event, but has to wait out the timer because he got dishonorable... How is that fair? Why should our guild be penalized by having to wait because our member chose to play with the guild in a GvG over continuing to play in RA?
I play on cable, and experience lag very seldom.
However, on topic... We had one of our guild members in RA the other night when we were trying to get a GvG going. He was on a team that had won 4 in a row, but we asked him to leave anyways, as he said it would be a while until they lost. He leaves the match to go participate in a guild event, but has to wait out the timer because he got dishonorable... How is that fair? Why should our guild be penalized by having to wait because our member chose to play with the guild in a GvG over continuing to play in RA?
thedeadlyassassin
The dude editted his post, making me seem like a "retard".
Regardless if you error 7, your power goes out, I don't care. (and for your info ctb I probably know a lot more about the things you mentioned then you do, and to base my knowledge on those things on a single sentence I stated makes you look like a damn fool)
You have to leave a game TWICE to get dishonorable (unless they recently updated it). That means, he had to leave a game, then get lagged out.
But from what you previously stated, you were reported when you lagged out. Well don't ask us why it's dishonorable, those people reported you most likely out of frustration, and I'm sure most would probably do the same thing. Those games get VERY frustrating, even with dishonorable, people still rage quit, go afk, or whatever to ruin the fun for others, and it gets old FAST, so people rage report people that lag out.
It's 5 minutes of your time, I'm sure that's going to really make a big difference -.-
(unless the Mayans are correct and we all die in 5 years, but still if I knew they were 100% correct I wouldn't be playing Guild Wars)
Regardless if you error 7, your power goes out, I don't care. (and for your info ctb I probably know a lot more about the things you mentioned then you do, and to base my knowledge on those things on a single sentence I stated makes you look like a damn fool)
You have to leave a game TWICE to get dishonorable (unless they recently updated it). That means, he had to leave a game, then get lagged out.
But from what you previously stated, you were reported when you lagged out. Well don't ask us why it's dishonorable, those people reported you most likely out of frustration, and I'm sure most would probably do the same thing. Those games get VERY frustrating, even with dishonorable, people still rage quit, go afk, or whatever to ruin the fun for others, and it gets old FAST, so people rage report people that lag out.
It's 5 minutes of your time, I'm sure that's going to really make a big difference -.-
(unless the Mayans are correct and we all die in 5 years, but still if I knew they were 100% correct I wouldn't be playing Guild Wars)
HawkofStorms
Actually, the more I read it, the more I think the OP was a griefer.
Anyway, even though I slow load sometimes, I love dishonorable. Because when I do load 10 seconds into the match half my team hasn't quit already. It did what it was meant to do, eliminate quiters.
Anyway, even though I slow load sometimes, I love dishonorable. Because when I do load 10 seconds into the match half my team hasn't quit already. It did what it was meant to do, eliminate quiters.
Biostem
I have a general question - is there a way to tell the different between a slow loader/genuine disconnect and someone who either quits or simply ends task/pulls the plug?
Given the general behavior of people on the internet, good sportsmanship and manners has to be forced...
(Note, I am in no way pointing the finger at anyone in particular - I can be a real PITA sometimes, so I'm no saint
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Given the general behavior of people on the internet, good sportsmanship and manners has to be forced...
(Note, I am in no way pointing the finger at anyone in particular - I can be a real PITA sometimes, so I'm no saint
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Darkhell153
Well if the person appears to be into, or involved in the game when it says he was disconnected or left the game it is normally someone who was either forced to quit or pushed off. If the person cusses or says something rude/insulting and then quits it is usually someone who rage quits. If they say they're lagging and your team happens to be winning at that point, it's safe to say it was forced
HawkofStorms
If the guy's name is in grey and he appears 30 seconds into the fight, then its a slow load.
warcrap
if i lag for two seconds they think im leeching and i lose more xp than i even gained in the stupid arena like i make 200 xp and i lose 500 xp then after i lose xp i pull the team together and make us win by heavy nuking the derv and using backfire.
Darkhell153
Ok
I vote that this thread be discharged and the maker be thrown into a pit of fire on principal of creating this idea. Then I vote that we get warcrap some advanced grammar lessons so I can understand what he's saying
I vote that this thread be discharged and the maker be thrown into a pit of fire on principal of creating this idea. Then I vote that we get warcrap some advanced grammar lessons so I can understand what he's saying
crazy diamond
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Yea, your immaturity is hilarious. /ignored
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But yeah, ignoring me is certainly a far more mature way to solve this problem.
BlackSephir
Don't remove dishonorable status.
I can finally enjoy RA and AB.
I can finally enjoy RA and AB.
lacasner
Just keep it, we dont want to overcomplicate Anets life
crazy diamond
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we dont want to overcomplicate Anets life
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Darkhell153
wow, I vote Loviatar gets the award for fixing the problem in the most blunt fashion possible :P
HawkofStorms
And incorrectly. Loviatar, the group didn't report him for leaving. Dishonorable is automated and he got it immidately for leaving.
He should have quit after the end of the match he was in, but before the next one started (he wouldn't have gotten dishonor, sure he'd have to wait ~3 miniutes to finish the match he was in, but its better then waiting the 10 for dishonor to end).
He should have quit after the end of the match he was in, but before the next one started (he wouldn't have gotten dishonor, sure he'd have to wait ~3 miniutes to finish the match he was in, but its better then waiting the 10 for dishonor to end).
Loviatar
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and thank you for the information
HawkofStorms
Your welcome. It is kinda confusing, mostly because /report and dishonor were introduced in the same weekend.