I'd like to see this become a touch skill with 1/4 sec cast time, and a damage componant to compensate for the loss of range (perhaps ~100 at 16 deadly arts).
Yes this would completely nerf the current DD spamming builds, and yes this would be a good thing. The skill required for monks to stay alive is completly asymetric with the 1234 nature of this build.
A change I'd like to see for Entangling Asp
Mirt
Bowstring Badass
DD spam is worse then sp sins. Since the nerf DD spammers have appeared everywhere. I applaud all the other sins coming up with other builds then this crap.
yum
So it would benefit one of your retarded builds?
Let see: SKill. Must follow a leet attack. Target touch foe is KD and suffer 40...100 damage and poison for 5..21 seconds.
O i cy dat eez a nerf.
If you don't know what are you talking about, don't post.
Let see: SKill. Must follow a leet attack. Target touch foe is KD and suffer 40...100 damage and poison for 5..21 seconds.
O i cy dat eez a nerf.
If you don't know what are you talking about, don't post.
Div
That's ridiculous. A sin can easily just use death's charge+this to make it insanely powerful.
Hyprodimus Prime
change up deadly paradox
ensoriki
Entangling Asp hasn't recieved one both or one nerf since its creation.
It has also never won a competitive game ever until nightfall.
Thus without Deadly paradox.
Entangling asp is shit.
Good day.
It has also never won a competitive game ever until nightfall.
Thus without Deadly paradox.
Entangling asp is shit.
Good day.
thedeadlyassassin
I say hell no. The skill is not overpowered, and any more nerfs to sins, I won't buy GW2. Anet always picks on sins, because lil noobs think they are OP and don't figure out how to kill a sin.
The skill is, like ensoriki said, shit without paradox.
The skill is, like ensoriki said, shit without paradox.
Marverick
People would just run Augury => Shadow Prison => Iron Palm => Holy Strike => Entangling Asp => Stonesoul Strike => Signet of Toxic Shock
Let's see... that's 94 + 94 from Entangling and SoTS, 47 from Iron Palm, 92 + 92 from the smiting skills, and Deep Wound... meanwhile your target is sitting on their behind watching his red bar plummet to 0...
Ehm... just no
Let's see... that's 94 + 94 from Entangling and SoTS, 47 from Iron Palm, 92 + 92 from the smiting skills, and Deep Wound... meanwhile your target is sitting on their behind watching his red bar plummet to 0...
Ehm... just no
Mirt
"People would just run Augury => Shadow Prison => Iron Palm => Holy Strike => Entangling Asp => Stonesoul Strike => Signet of Toxic Shock"
Yeah that would be nasty, and not at all what I'd intend. I guess this is the problem too many sin skills lend themsleves to cheap gimmiks
I'm sure in GvG the DD spamming sins are a non-issue, however they're a plague in TA or RA. If the chain only did damage with no shutdown it would be fine, if it only did shutdown with no damage it would also be fine - however together it's just too powerful IMO.
So to the hostile forum denizians, do YOU have a better suggestion?
Yeah that would be nasty, and not at all what I'd intend. I guess this is the problem too many sin skills lend themsleves to cheap gimmiks
I'm sure in GvG the DD spamming sins are a non-issue, however they're a plague in TA or RA. If the chain only did damage with no shutdown it would be fine, if it only did shutdown with no damage it would also be fine - however together it's just too powerful IMO.
So to the hostile forum denizians, do YOU have a better suggestion?
X Cytherea X
i kind of like this change you suggest... >=D
Shuuda
Make Asp 5 energy, reduce recharge, take away the knock down. Fixed. DA spikers are overpowered because of all the knock downs, without that they are more than beatable.
/end of topic.
/end of topic.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by thedeadlyassassin
Anet always picks on sins, because lil noobs think they are OP and don't figure out how to kill a sin.
no - its because sins are overpowered and instagib.
anyway,to the OP:more instagib on sin=wtfuthinkinO_O
anyway,to the OP:more instagib on sin=wtfuthinkinO_O
ensoriki
How about leave entangling Asp alone.
Go find your friend Deadly paradox.
And beat him with a Steel-plated Golden Trim Purple coated Pimp Nerf Bat.
Go find your friend Deadly paradox.
And beat him with a Steel-plated Golden Trim Purple coated Pimp Nerf Bat.
yum
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Originally Posted by ensoriki
And beat him with a Steel-plated Golden Trim Purple coated Pimp Nerf Bat.
Something like
Stance. For 5..15 seconds, all your attack skills are disabled for 10 seconds, and all your assasin skills activate and recharge 75% faster. Everytime you use this skill, you suffer 60...35% death penalty and -20 health degen.
Fix for you.
Something like
Stance. For 5..15 seconds, all your attack skills are disabled for 10 seconds, and all your assasin skills activate and recharge 75% faster. Everytime you use this skill, you suffer 60...35% death penalty and -20 health degen.
Fix for you.
Jaigoda
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuuda
Make Asp 5 energy, reduce recharge, take away the knock down. Fixed. DA spikers are overpowered because of all the knock downs, without that they are more than beatable.
/end of topic. Entangling Asp
5e, 1c, 10r
Spell Must follow a lead attack. Target foe is Poisoned for 5...17 seconds.
Hmm... I guess Wastrel's collapse isn't THAT bad...
/end of topic. Entangling Asp
5e, 1c, 10r
Spell Must follow a lead attack. Target foe is Poisoned for 5...17 seconds.
Hmm... I guess Wastrel's collapse isn't THAT bad...
Hyprodimus Prime
Entangling Asp 0, 1, 20
Signet. Entangling Asp must follow a lead attack. Target foe is knocked down and becomes Poisoned for 9 seconds.
Deadly Paradox
Stance. All of your attack Skills are disabled for 10 seconds. For 8 seconds, your Assassin Spells activate and recharge 33% faster.
Signet. Entangling Asp must follow a lead attack. Target foe is knocked down and becomes Poisoned for 9 seconds.
Deadly Paradox
Stance. All of your attack Skills are disabled for 10 seconds. For 8 seconds, your Assassin Spells activate and recharge 33% faster.
Pyro maniac
Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
Something like
Skill. All your attack skills are disabled for 10 seconds,
Quote:
Originally Posted by yum
Fix for you.
fixed again.
ensoriki
Screw that paradox crap.
paradox. All your assassin enchantments activate and recharge 50% faster
All hostile hexes cast at you activate 50% slower and last 50% longer.
Seriously just leave entangling the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO alone.
What can it do without paradox?
Do Horns+ fallings job.
For 20 second recharge, No damage and 10 energy? With 1 second cast time!?!!!!
*pukes*
paradox. All your assassin enchantments activate and recharge 50% faster
All hostile hexes cast at you activate 50% slower and last 50% longer.
Seriously just leave entangling the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO alone.
What can it do without paradox?
Do Horns+ fallings job.
For 20 second recharge, No damage and 10 energy? With 1 second cast time!?!!!!
*pukes*
Celeborn10
Hmm, how about actually making it into an offhand? That way it can be chained with useful dagger attacks in a chain.
There's one other thing that it does in the Assassacaster and that is help out slightly with preventing kiting/interrupting selfheals due to its full radar range. Making it halfrange would lend a little more kitability against the standard DP chain and ensure that it could be used as utility in a DM/DA hybrid build using Deadly Haste.
There's one other thing that it does in the Assassacaster and that is help out slightly with preventing kiting/interrupting selfheals due to its full radar range. Making it halfrange would lend a little more kitability against the standard DP chain and ensure that it could be used as utility in a DM/DA hybrid build using Deadly Haste.
Hyprodimus Prime
Make it 2 second cast time?
Celeborn10
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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime
Make it 2 second cast time?
Do Warriors or Ele's have knockdown skills that have a 2 second cast time? The point of a knockdown is to temporarily disable your opponent. Knockdown is currently the most effective way of shutting a healer down asides from killing them. If sins are supposed to have any utility at all knocking healers on their assets and preventing them from healing others (similar to how Gale is used) should be one of them. The only problem with that is that while DD is halfrange EA is full range and can knock down a healer too easily from anywhere in the aggro bubble too easily removing positioning considerations.
EA also has limited viability as a skill outside of Dark Arts builds because it doesn't count as an offhand. Add to that the long recharge and it's only effective with DP and Signet of Toxic Shock. The best solution to curing several Dark Arts skills is to make them halfrange and maybe decrease energy costs on some to make them actually useful as support in a battle. Halfrange eliminates most of the concerns people have over positioning; to cast on a backliner you must at least go up to the frontline.
EA also has limited viability as a skill outside of Dark Arts builds because it doesn't count as an offhand. Add to that the long recharge and it's only effective with DP and Signet of Toxic Shock. The best solution to curing several Dark Arts skills is to make them halfrange and maybe decrease energy costs on some to make them actually useful as support in a battle. Halfrange eliminates most of the concerns people have over positioning; to cast on a backliner you must at least go up to the frontline.
Sqube
Before any discussion of Deadly Arts skill changes can take place, Deadly Paradox needs to be murdered.
Deadly Paradox
Stance. For 30 seconds, all your skills are disabled. You run 50% slower. After 30 seconds, you gain 1 health.
Seriously. I want that skill dead. Once that skill is dead, its corpse has been burned, and the ashes spread to the four corners of the known universe, we can start talking about how skills can be changed.
Until then, it just can't happen.
Deadly Paradox
Stance. For 30 seconds, all your skills are disabled. You run 50% slower. After 30 seconds, you gain 1 health.
Seriously. I want that skill dead. Once that skill is dead, its corpse has been burned, and the ashes spread to the four corners of the known universe, we can start talking about how skills can be changed.
Until then, it just can't happen.
Jaigoda
The problem is Sqube, if they nerf DP, they won't be buffing other skills. I know that's what you want, but A-net has never, and will never actually nerf a skill and buff another. That would just be too nice and too balanced, y'know?
Tamuril elansar
remove poison to entangling, ad bleeding
Jaigoda
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Originally Posted by Tamuril elansar
remove poison to entangling, ad bleeding
Which would make it balanced......... how?
ensoriki
Listen stfu..PLEASE about entangling asp nerfs.
Because if you think entangling needs a nerfs its clear you don't know wtf your saying >.>. Bill gates will tell you...and I doubt think he's ever played guild wars.
Why don't we leave the poor crappy skill alone.
Lets go focus on Deadly paradox >.>
Because if you think entangling needs a nerfs its clear you don't know wtf your saying >.>. Bill gates will tell you...and I doubt think he's ever played guild wars.
Why don't we leave the poor crappy skill alone.
Lets go focus on Deadly paradox >.>
mikeydj99
Its no overpowered. Monks just run mo/w bring Balanced Stance and SoA right when he uses dancing daggers. The Spike it ruined. Simple and easy.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by mikeydj99
Its no overpowered. Monks just run mo/w bring Balanced Stance and SoA right when he uses dancing daggers. The Spike it ruined. Simple and easy.
yeah - and SoA has that fast of a cast time?
you must have REALLY good reflexes.
you must have REALLY good reflexes.
yum
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Originally Posted by mikeydj99
Its no overpowered. Monks just run mo/w bring Balanced Stance and SoA right when he uses dancing daggers. The Spike it ruined. Simple and easy.
Idk how u monk but I use RoF to couter DD then dodge
But if really like half-arse counter to DD and every kd at the same time I suggest running doyl signet
edit: i mean RoF, srry it was 11PM
But if really like half-arse counter to DD and every kd at the same time I suggest running doyl signet
edit: i mean RoF, srry it was 11PM
Sir Pandra Pierva
SoF?
[skill]Shadow of fear[/skill] or [skill]Spirit of Failure[/skill]? Unless I am missing something neither of those worked.
I did see some monks using balths pendulem to counter the KD.
To counter DD I like to use[skill]Guilt[/skill]
[skill]Shadow of fear[/skill] or [skill]Spirit of Failure[/skill]? Unless I am missing something neither of those worked.
I did see some monks using balths pendulem to counter the KD.
To counter DD I like to use[skill]Guilt[/skill]
ensoriki
only thing over powered in Deadly arts.
IS Deadly paradox, possibly Shadow Prison.
IS Deadly paradox, possibly Shadow Prison.
Sir Pandra Pierva
Shadow prison is not really over powered....
[skill]Shadow Prison[/skill]
[skill]Dark Prison[/skill]
It's slightly improved dark prison for 5 less energy and slightly longer duration....I can see your point though
[skill]Shadow Prison[/skill]
[skill]Dark Prison[/skill]
It's slightly improved dark prison for 5 less energy and slightly longer duration....I can see your point though
BlackSephir
SP is 10e. Longer duration and better snare though.
Adding 5 to recharge won't change anything though. Adding another 5 won't, too.
Adding 5 to recharge won't change anything though. Adding another 5 won't, too.
X Cytherea X
incorrect. it means more useless running around and waiting, which is bad
Made In Ascalon
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Originally Posted by Jaigoda
The problem is Sqube, if they nerf DP, they won't be buffing other skills. I know that's what you want, but A-net has never, and will never actually nerf a skill and buff another. That would just be too nice and too balanced, y'know?
Kill Deadly Paradox in one patch, buff deadly arts as a whole in the next.
Just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing kill that stupid skill.
PS: Do not touch entangling asp. No one cared about it until Deadly Paradox, and for good reason.
Just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing kill that stupid skill.
PS: Do not touch entangling asp. No one cared about it until Deadly Paradox, and for good reason.
Made In Ascalon
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeydj99
Diddy bow
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaigoda
Which would make it balanced......... how?
[skill]signet of toxic shock[/skill]
this is what i think he is getting at
this is what i think he is getting at
Dryndalyn
I can’t believe you people who come on here and ask for something to get nerfed! You are the bane of my existence – my nightmare! You are the destroyers of PvE fun.
Thanks for the nerf on Deadly Paradox. I hope you’re happy.
Thanks for the nerf on Deadly Paradox. I hope you’re happy.
Jaigoda
You played a DA Sin in PvE? They didn't really nerf any skills that were used commonly in PvE (besides MAYBE Black Lotus Strike in Assassin's Promise builds).
Made In Ascalon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dryndalyn
I can’t believe you people who come on here and ask for something to get nerfed! You are the bane of my existence – my nightmare! You are the destroyers of PvE fun.
Thanks for the nerf on Deadly Paradox. I hope you’re happy.
Extremely.
You should be running Ursanway in PvE anyway, right?
Thanks for the nerf on Deadly Paradox. I hope you’re happy.
You should be running Ursanway in PvE anyway, right?