What causes the most damage or dps swords or axes.
Age
I am having a debate on another board and told them that swords and axes are both the same hammers slightly higher.What does cause the most dps?I referred them to Ensigns write up and they for the most part said it is over 2 years old out of date.What is it?
Kale Ironfist
Ensigns post uses 16 weapon mastery. Nothing has changed since it was first posted, other than the fact that most PvP players use 14 weapon mastery because they can no longer armor swap.
Dr Strangelove
Hammers are slightly higher than axes, which are slightly higher than swords.
Really though, it all comes down the the skills you're using. The autoattack DPS difference is negligible enough that you won't care 90% of the time.
Really though, it all comes down the the skills you're using. The autoattack DPS difference is negligible enough that you won't care 90% of the time.
Stormlord Alex
IIRC, (can't remember the exact numbers here)
Out of Axes and Swords, merely auto-attacking, Axes have the higher base DPS at 11 mastery and above, 'cuz of their higher damage range, criticals, etc.
Because any warrior worth his salt has at least 14 mastery, basically... Axe base DPS > Sword base DPS.
Hammers have them both beat, of course.
And, even more important - it's a truly pointless argument.
All 3 are stupidly good at raw pressure damage, just Frenzying on summat puts other classes to shame;
And they have all got very different uses - Axes kill shizzle, plain and simple;
- Swords are more utility based (compare Cripslash/YAA!/Bull's Charge to a Shockaxe);
- and Hammers are a finesse disruption tool. That can also kill on the side.
Out of Axes and Swords, merely auto-attacking, Axes have the higher base DPS at 11 mastery and above, 'cuz of their higher damage range, criticals, etc.
Because any warrior worth his salt has at least 14 mastery, basically... Axe base DPS > Sword base DPS.
Hammers have them both beat, of course.
And, even more important - it's a truly pointless argument.
All 3 are stupidly good at raw pressure damage, just Frenzying on summat puts other classes to shame;
And they have all got very different uses - Axes kill shizzle, plain and simple;
- Swords are more utility based (compare Cripslash/YAA!/Bull's Charge to a Shockaxe);
- and Hammers are a finesse disruption tool. That can also kill on the side.
Dr Strangelove
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- and Hammers are a finesse disruption tool. That can also kill on the side.
Finesse = bashing someone repeatedly so they can't stand up amirite?
Stormlord Alex
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Finesse = bashing someone repeatedly so they can't stand up amirite?
Damn right!
... it always seemed kinda weird, but... whatever.
I still need fairy wings for my Elite Glad's
... it always seemed kinda weird, but... whatever.
I still need fairy wings for my Elite Glad's
Coloneh
if your talking about a build with skills and everything. then Axes have swords beat by a ton in PvE because of AoE attacks. but Swords win in PvP because Dslash on a single target is insane.
deluxe
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
if your talking about a build with skills and everything. then Axes have swords beat by a ton in PvE because of AoE attacks. but Swords win in PvP because Dslash on a single target is insane.
uhm... yeah whatever 
Cherng Butter
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
if your talking about a build with skills and everything. then Axes have swords beat by a ton in PvE because of AoE attacks. but Swords win in PvP because Dslash on a single target is insane.
Who uses Dslash in PvP?
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
if your talking about a build with skills and everything. then Axes have swords beat by a ton in PvE because of AoE attacks. but Swords win in PvP because Dslash on a single target is insane.
Ahahahahahahhahaha
Yes
Prot spirit > DSlash
Yes
Prot spirit > DSlash
Marty Silverblade
Well in PvE where monsters are too dumb to use prot spirit, then Sword wins by a long shot for single target DPS.
Clarissa F
Can't this be combined with the dozens of other "Sword vs Axe" threads? About as bad as the amount of "is Guild Wars dead?" threads.
Swords for pressure/conditions, Axe for spiking, Hammers for KD/interrupt.
Yeah, I thought D-Slash was awesome-sauce. Then I got Nightfall and Crippling Slash.
Swords for pressure/conditions, Axe for spiking, Hammers for KD/interrupt.
Yeah, I thought D-Slash was awesome-sauce. Then I got Nightfall and Crippling Slash.
jrk247
Swords are good for conditions and single target damage.
Axes are good for damage on single targets and multiple targets and unconditional deep wounds.
Axes are good for damage on single targets and multiple targets and unconditional deep wounds.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
if your talking about a build with skills and everything. then Axes have swords beat by a ton in PvE because of AoE attacks. but Swords win in PvP because Dslash on a single target is insane.
Wait...axe > sword in PvE, sword > axe in PvP?
Sorry, are we playing the same game?
Sorry, are we playing the same game?
Squishy ftw
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Wait...axe > sword in PvE, sword > axe in PvP?
Sorry, are we playing the same game? I'm guessing he hasn't heard of shock axes in PvP yet or DS spammers(SY + brawling headbut) in PvE.
Sorry, are we playing the same game? I'm guessing he hasn't heard of shock axes in PvP yet or DS spammers(SY + brawling headbut) in PvE.
Performance Pudding
say what u want but my shock sword build beats the shock axe build every time. :P
Dr Strangelove
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say what u want but my shock sword build beats the shock axe build every time. :P
This should be entertaining. *grabs popcorn*
A Leprechaun
Auto attacking damage is a pretty pointless fact to know. Every one knows what different weapons are used for, and thats all that you need to know.
~A Leprechaun~
~A Leprechaun~
Ben-A-BoO
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
if your talking about a build with skills and everything. then Axes have swords beat by a ton in PvE because of AoE attacks. but Swords win in PvP because Dslash on a single target is insane.
Usually I am not into bashing ... but on this one: ROFLMAO!
Stormlord Alex
Coloneh
Im being made fun of 
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I phrased my last post badly. I was talking purely about DPS, and in PvP swords win(not considering prot spirit) because Dslash pumps out a rediculous amount of physical damage on a target. its not the best way to score kills because it is easily countered. sorry for the confusion
....I phrased my last post badly. I was talking purely about DPS, and in PvP swords win(not considering prot spirit) because Dslash pumps out a rediculous amount of physical damage on a target. its not the best way to score kills because it is easily countered. sorry for the confusion
SpaceGh057
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I phrased my last post badly. I was talking
about how you're bad at the game?
A Leprechaun
I'm not knocking you Coloneh, but Axes are better in PvP.
~A Leprechaun~
~A Leprechaun~
Brian the Gladiator
On paper without attack skills the DPS rankings are:
1) Hammer
2) Axe
3) Sword
I know for a fact, on paper, a solid D-slash warrior with IAS is the highest DPS you can get in the game which would seemingly put swords over axes.
Unfortunately I now have to drop the "but" hammer on the D-slash build because these statistics are not taking into consideration all of the melee shutdown a warrior will have to deal with in general.
in PvE, D-slash is best because there truly isn't very much blocking and blinds
PvP is a different story. using D-slash in any form of PvP is just stupid. A single aegis chain can completely shut down the build since, if D-slash fails to hit, the adrenaline it takes to build up can be ridiculous and completely ruin the build. This is why hammer and axe are king in the current PvP meta.
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
1) Hammer
2) Axe
3) Sword
I know for a fact, on paper, a solid D-slash warrior with IAS is the highest DPS you can get in the game which would seemingly put swords over axes.
Unfortunately I now have to drop the "but" hammer on the D-slash build because these statistics are not taking into consideration all of the melee shutdown a warrior will have to deal with in general.
in PvE, D-slash is best because there truly isn't very much blocking and blinds
PvP is a different story. using D-slash in any form of PvP is just stupid. A single aegis chain can completely shut down the build since, if D-slash fails to hit, the adrenaline it takes to build up can be ridiculous and completely ruin the build. This is why hammer and axe are king in the current PvP meta.
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
Im being made fun of ....
I phrased my last post badly. I was talking purely about DPS, and in PvP swords win(not considering prot spirit) because Dslash pumps out a rediculous amount of physical damage on a target. its not the best way to score kills because it is easily countered. sorry for the confusion Pretty sure in Pvp, you have to think about what is going to counter your build before deciding that it should be used. And by pretty sure, I mean it is fact! so... again... False / Fail / Bad
Stormlord Alex
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PvP is a different story. using D-slash in any form of PvP is just stupid. A single aegis chain can completely shut down the build since, if D-slash fails to hit, the adrenaline it takes to build up can be ridiculous and completely ruin the build. This is why hammer and axe are king in the current PvP meta.
/agreed But just to add to it, the only other worthwhile alternative - Cripslash - is overshadowed by the strength of Cripshot and the power of condition removals.
Brian the Gladiator
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I wish i knew what Fix'd/10 means????
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But just to add to it, the only other worthwhile alternative - Cripslash - is overshadowed by the strength of Cripshot and the power of condition removals.
Crip Slash is actually very very good in PvP depending on where you use it. In GvG and HA, RC is the current meta for monks so it can be very ineffective when you crip slash + gash someone and then suddenly all the conditions are removed and the person is spiked up to full health with one simple 5 energy skill. That is why it is bad, not because Crip Shot is better. In RA, TA, and AB, I would say that Crip slash is one of the best (if the THE BEST) elite to use on a warrior.
Edit: I forgot to mention this -- you really shouldn't be using any warrior elites in PvE because I'm pretty sure that Ursen Blessing is the most imba thing in the game so... yea
Age
Lets not get this thread locked
Nyktos
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I never said that so why did you put words in my mouth? Just wondering.... (not that i dont agree though)
I wish i knew what Fix'd/10 means???? = Something along the lines of "I made this post more accurate by changing it, then bolded the changed parts for ease of readability because the average forum reader is too lazy to compare the two posts side by said. Aren't I nice?" You can see why people tend to shorten it 
blue.rellik
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Edit: I forgot to mention this -- you really shouldn't be using any warrior elites in PvE because I'm pretty sure that Ursen Blessing is the most imba thing in the game so... yea
True enough but I tend to stick away from that skill simply because it's no fun at all. I rarely use PvE skill now, maybe the occasional Sunspear skill and the rebirth signet as well as YMLAD or Pain Inverter.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator
Edit: I forgot to mention this -- you really shouldn't be using any warrior elites in PvE because I'm pretty sure that Ursen Blessing is the most imba thing in the game so... yea
Ursan is better than what most PuGs run, but it is not better than any decent (SY/Brawling/Conjure) form of a Dslasher.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
Im being made fun of
....I phrased my last post badly. I was talking purely about DPS, and in PvP swords win(not considering prot spirit) because Dslash pumps out a rediculous amount of physical damage on a target. its not the best way to score kills because it is easily countered. sorry for the confusion If you ignore the fact that its rendered useless by blocking and Protection spells, and you ignore the fact that DPS isn't even what gets kills against decent players, yeah Dragon Slash totally owns in PvP.
Squishy ftw
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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator
Edit: I forgot to mention this -- you really shouldn't be using any warrior elites in PvE because I'm pretty sure that Ursen Blessing is the most imba thing in the game so... yea You don't actually believe this yourself do you ?  UB might be imba but a DS build with FGJ, SY, brawling headbut is far better than any UB will ever be. You can keep SY up for about 80% of the time during battle, you'll do the same if not more damage by just spamming DS and with brawling headbut you can keep someone knocked for 30 sec (with enduring harmony) which is the ultimate form of shutdown (when enemies can be knocked). So you're greatly protecting your party(SY), dishing out a comparable amount of damage to UB and offer far better shutdown by chaining brawling headbuts, while UB just does damage, offer some weaknes (this damage reduction is less than SY) and the knockdown is only available every 15 ? seconds. The only thing UB is better at is making bad players feel like good ones...
jrk247
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The only thing UB is better at is making bad players feel like good ones...
QFT. There really is no skill in UB, you have unlimited energy aslong as you are attacking and you just have to press 1 2 3 and repeat.
Brian the Gladiator
Just because UB takes no skill to play does not mean it isn't great and dealing a ton of damage.
Yes, D-slash + defensive shouts and other versitile skills is great, but we are talking about DPS here and, in PvE, the best DPS is UB so... /fail I will give you the fact that, if you aren't running any PvE skills, D-slash is the best DPS in the game... /win
Age
I guess from all the census in the thread it seems like Axes do have a higher dps than swords /Post Prophecies.
Brian the Gladiator
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I guess from all the census in the thread it seems like Axes do have a higher dps than swords /Post Prophecies.
You simply can't make a blanket statement like that dude.
The census in the thread is that Axes do have a higher dps than sword only in the CURRENT GVG AND HA META because of the large amounts of anti-melee. In a pure DPS battle however, the Dragon slash warrior will produce THE MOST DAMAGE PER SECOND out of ANY BUILD POSSIBLE in guild wars PERIOD. which means that swords in fact do produce the highest DPS possible. In short: In a perfect world swords are BY FAR better pain givers than axes! When taking into account the fact that there is blocking, blinding, and kiting, and condition removal, axes are much better at dealing fast spurts of damage as well as pressure. They are much more versatile than swords and can be used with better success in many more situations which is why they are better in PvP.
Alex the Great
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
if your talking about a build with skills and everything. then Axes have swords beat by a ton in PvE because of AoE attacks. but Swords win in PvP because Dslash on a single target is insane.
dslash owns pve plain and simple
eviserate owns pvp plain and simple but you can use triple chop in pve and cripslash in pvp so it's even and hammers= kd lock yay
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator
You simply can't make a blanket statement like that dude.
The census in the thread is that Axes do have a higher dps than sword only in the CURRENT GVG AND HA META because of the large amounts of anti-melee. In a pure DPS battle however, the Dragon slash warrior will produce THE MOST DAMAGE PER SECOND out of ANY BUILD POSSIBLE in guild wars PERIOD. which means that swords in fact do produce the highest DPS possible. In short: In a perfect world swords are BY FAR better pain givers than axes! When taking into account the fact that there is blocking, blinding, and kiting, and condition removal, axes are much better at dealing fast spurts of damage as well as pressure. They are much more versatile than swords and can be used with better success in many more situations which is why they are better in PvP. [skill]Moebius Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill]
Savio
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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator
but we are talking about DPS here and, in PvE, the best DPS is UB so... /fail
Only if you run it as a melee/Paragon really well, have a pet, and always hit multiple targets with Rage. The chances of getting UB users like that are... not so good.
jrk247
^ Not to mention not everyone has a max norn title so that lowers it aswell.
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