Should they just close FA and the Jade Quary in favour of AB?

In a similar way to prophercies where they closed the areanas to make way for the more specialised "battle ayles", I cant help but feel that Fort Asbenwood and the Jade Query are now redundant.

The Jade Query is virtually always empty, aside from maybe those special hours when your lucky, and its a pain to explore because of that.

Fort Asbenwood is still active and yes its fun, but it pails in comparison to Alliance battles for a few reason. You can pick your own 4 man teams for AB and fight along side people you know, the faction reward is far greater and AB offers a more complex battle then just knocking down a few gates and killing one NPC.

It just feels more thought out as a battle then FA does!

The only advantage which FA seems to offer is the ability to easily fight for either side, regardless of your guilds alliance. While for AB you are restricted to your guilds side unless you get invited to an opposing sides guild and enter that way.

I realise there are quests connected to both FA and JQ, in the sense of "go here and find this place", but you could still keep the connected outposts open but close access to the starting areas.

You could just add an NPC to either outpost for alliance battles to take you isntantly there instead.

Otherwise what exactly does either FA or JQ still offer ingame, that AB doesnt improve upon?

Is it some signature thing that you do in all your posts?
They're a change from AB. Different goals, random teams, more accessible to those who aren't accepted readily into AB teams, or are not in a guild.

I wouldn't be in favour of having these closed down...even if noone does use the Jade "Query" - it still provides some sort of Cartographer-Title challenge, as frustrating as some may find it.

Aspenwood, as you say, is still pretty active. Just because some people don't find it fun doesn't mean it should be shut down for those who do.

i can't say anyhting about your question.. but closing those places would screw anyone trying for the cartography title

as long as you can enter in AB how would it 'screw anyone' over

Yeah I agree. Just remove them or totally redesign em.

While the concept for both of these battles were nice, their usage after other things have been released has diminished to the point where they are almost completely obsolete. I don't know what to do about them, but I do know that trying to do the cartographer through those areas can be a pain without having anyone on to do them. The battles indeed are a change but really provide very little to the game as a whole or even their storyline

The latter would be more preferable.

Though they have increased the faction gain before, I can't help but wonder if the Jade Quarry would see more play if there were even more faction up for grabs for winning.

One reason I suggested this was to actually make it easier on explorers. I remember when I was trying for 100% in factions and exploring both FA and JQ was a pain.

One you felt a bit bad for exploring in FA while everyone else fought and you got "stop exploring and help", and JQ is an absolutely nightmare to explore because no one is ever there to let you in.

I dont see how it would screw anyone over since its only about 0.5% in each area and it would relieve the stress.

1)They definitely should be opened up for Cartographers as an explorable zone.

2)As for the missions themselves, Anet needs to sit down and address the overall prevalence of exploits and "unfun-ess" of these missions.

The lack of any sort of team effort really makes it a downer.

Ack! NO!

I'm Luxon, I rely on Aspenwood to get faction for befriending the Kurzick quests, farming amber for my armor, and just for kicks when I need to blow off steam at the stupidity of my own side. Its free and fun. I sure as hell aint paying for a guest invite to some Kurzick guild where I don't know anyone. Besides, everytime I've tried people want to charge an arm and a damn leg for 100g invite. Bah!

FA helped me a lot when doing the "Befriending the Kurzicks" quest (and I only recently joined a guild at that point; btw FA was really great fun!). Can you PUG AB as you can for FA? If not, would that force you to find players?

they could close JQ and i dont think anybody would care.
But myself and many others prefer FA to AB.
FA is more fun (that one opinionated), map doesnt change, some people dont want to be bothered with forming a group. its like saying they should close RA cause you can form a group in TA.
in AB what happens to you when you are trying to test out builds and the build happens to suck? you get everyone mad and they kick you out of the party and now you have to find a new party. or if your party gives you the benefit of they doubt and keep you in the party, they will probably kick you or disband while you are trying to tweak your build if it takes too long.
not everyone plays FA for faction. it the lack of having to form a party up and the destroying of turtles ppl love. i said destroying of turtles cause there are almost always more people on kurz side then luxon.

It is very debatable if AB is more "fun" than Aspenwood. I play both and I actually have more fun with Aspenwood than I do with Alliance Battles. Aspenwood is one of the few PVP places I can go and bring any profession/build I want and be successful.

I have noticed that there is a lot of FA regulars that play there on a daily basis plus there are always quite a few new people that show up as well. PVP will always need a place for players to be able to quickly get into a battle with a minimum of fuss. Aspenwood fits that bill perfectly and should not be shut down.

I think they should add some AI foes to each so you can play them when there are no live people/insuficient live players. This would solve the problem of cartography for both and allow those that have never played the almost always vacant Jade Quary.

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Seriously, I wish the guru community would learn not to participate in the biweekly spectacle of a freekedoutfish thread.

As Arena Net has no time to redesign them they should just close them, FA is poorly designed and JQ was left neglected for over a year.

Hooray for Irony?

stupid thread.

Did you even think before writing all that crap? Of course not. FA redundant? How is it redundant when it is a DIFERENT map and has DIFERENT goals.

Hey freekedoutfish usually I just post here to troll people or generally create a disturbance, but here's some genuine advice; straight from the heart:

Download the new version of Firefox and use it, it has a great spellcheck feature. If you can't spell correctly due to some sort of cognitive disorder, it'll help you a lot. If you deliberately spell this badly, I hope you die a painful, painful death. Its hard to take your posts seriously at this point, no matter what kind of legitimate concern you bring up in them. Please, for your sake and ours, get that Firefox yo.

Edit: If you're just trolling, join us in Guildwarsguru chat; you are mighty and we could use your strength.

lol hooray for irony indeed
He has just as much rights to making a thread. Oh my god, don't criticise his spelling and grammar. It is true what they say, there are too many trolls on these forums.

I do agree that Jade Quarry should be made more appealing or opened up as a explorable area but don't take it out of the game. On ocassions people play it but just becuase people don't use a feature, it doesn't mean they should remove it from the game.
Fort Aspenwood i beleive gets alot of visitors. Its more PVE and i think some people prefer it to alliance battles. Isn't there also something to do with say doing the befriend quests for your oppisite alliance. I did luxon side of pve and did fort to get faction. I didn't want to join a luxon guild to do the AB