Ninja

Introduction
Hello everyone. After playing Guild Wars for 28 months, I finally discover what class would be totally amazing: The Ninja .

Contents

• Background of the Ninja [Ctrl+F: *1]
• Attributes of the Ninja [Ctrl+F: *2]
• Equipment details of the Ninja [Ctrl+F: *3]
• Skills of the Ninja [Ctrl+F: *4]
• Pros and Cons of the Ninja [Ctrl+F: *5]
• More.. [Ctrl+F: *6]

Background [*1]

Attributes [*2]

Ninjutsu Magic - No inherent effect. Ninjutsus become more effective with higher Ninjutsu Magic.

Stealth - For each rank of Stealth, you are 2% less likely to get attacked by monsters when in your aggro circle. Stealth skills become more effective with higher Stealth.

Espionnage - No inherent effect. Espionnage skills become more effective with higher Espionnage.

Assassination - For each rank of Assassination, you are 3% more likely to get a critical hit when stabbing an enemy. Assassination skills become more effective with higher Assassination.

Status
Health at level 20 - 480
Energy at level 20 - 20
Energy pips - 2

Equipment [*3]

Head - Bandana (+1 Ninjutsu Magic/Stealth/Espionnage/Assassination, +10 armor vs physical damage)

Armor - Kenpogi (+10 armor vs physical damage)
Hand - Tekko (+10 armor vs physical damage, +20 armor vs elemental damage)
Pants - Sitabaki (+20 armor vs elemental damage)
Boots - Kyahan (+20 armor vs elemental damage)

Defense
Starter - AL 10 (Armor level 0*3 +10)
Very Low - AL 25 (Armor level 5*3 +10)
Low - AL 40 (Armor level 10*3 +10)
Medium - AL 55 (Armor level 15*3 +10)
Maximum - AL 70 (Armor level 20*3 +10)

Runes
Minor Ninjutsu Magic (+1)
Minor Stealth (+1)
Minor Espionnage (+1)
Minor Assassination (+1)
Major Ninjutsu Magic (+2/-35 HP)
Major Stealth (+2/-35 HP)
Major Espionnage (+2/-35 HP)
Major Assassination (+2/-35 HP)
Superior Ninjutsu Magic (+3/-75 HP)
Superior Stealth (+3/-75 HP)
Superior Espionnage (+3/-75 HP)
Superior Assassination (+3/-75 HP)

Insignas
Stealth Insigna - +5% Running Speed
Mercenary's Insigna - +10 Armor (While casting Ninjutsus)

Weapons

Katana
Slashing Damage - Minimum: 5-10, Maximum: 10-18 (Req X assassination/Stealth)

Katana
Slashing Damage - Minimum: 5-10, Maximum: 10-18 (Req X assassination/Stealth)

(Yes, they wear 2 weapons :O)

Tools (Needed to cast the corresponding Ninjutsu)
- Shinobi-Iri (Stealth related Ninjutsus)
- Hensōjutsu (Disguise and Impersonation related Ninjutsus)
- Intonjutsu (Escaping related Ninjustsus)

Skills [*4] (Starting them right now, will take some time)

Ninjutsu Magic

Stealth

Espionnage

Assassination

Pros and Cons [*5]

Pros
- Very resistant, they can tank very well.
- Ninjutsus can be a pain for the enemies.
- Stealthy, they can do huge damage if backstabbing someone.

Cons
- Low damage in overall.
- Requires the correct tool to cast the corresponding Ninjutsu.

More... [*6]
In PvP, the Ninja is a very good tool to cap shrines or to spy on the other team.
In PvE, it can run past mobs without getting aggro, so the running can be made easier.
The Ninja uses adrenaline, just like a Warrior.

I hope you enjoy it, and I'm starting the skills right now!

Assassin version 2. Nope. Fail.

Naruto fan I take it.... Lemme just go find my bridge to jump off of.

It even had the dual swordz.

epic

pure epic

Good intention but Anet will never make a similar profession as the Assassin not in GW1 atleast.

- Ganni

with all the sin trouble we already have you want to make another!!!!

Ninja is better than assassin in any ways.

Nah sorry, I don't like Naruto.

Never seen a Ninja with a shield.

Yea maybe in GW2, I know it's almost like Assassin, but I think it would be much better.

way too similar to the assassin

maybe in gw2 they could change the sin into this, instead of insta-gib or fail

With all due respect, I would *never* expect a ninja to tank very well. I would see a ninja as a melee combatant that relies on tricks or very good dodging skills to survive.

If anything, a ninja would really be some sort of warrior-mesmer combination - excellent weapon skills, ways of tripping up enemies, but not good in a stand-up fight.

The problem is, you would need to add some new conditions to properly represent this; we already have blindness, but we'd also need a sort of "confuse" ability to make the enemy sort of forget where you are or lose track of you. Furthermore, when I think of ninja, I think of agility and dirty tricks, not being able to stand and fight - that's what kills ninja.

I think assassins focus too much on damage and not enough on the tricks.

You made your post very organized, but for several reasons, your concept won't interest many people. The GW world has the assassin class and it's far too similar. As far as GW goes, it simply doesn't belong in the GW world. Assassins have been in place since Factions and you know that ninja, as an alternative to assassin, is only a dream limited to you and maybe even a few others. Would you seriously like to see an assassin and ninja class side by side in battle? People would think "what the @#$% is the difference!?" They'd be right.

Here's a new point to make to help you see what's going on over here in the GW world: how would a ninja class make any sense in GW? Would a traditional ninja belong in a GW party? Does espionage make any sense in GW? Aggro & kill is the strategy. It's a party based game taking advantage of the varying attributes that the classes have. I suppose you could argue that assassins don't have a place in party, as they, too, are supposed to work alone. However, assassins are in place, ninjas as a new class don't belong, and it's GW, not Splinter Cell.

too simular to the sin (to be honest sins are based on ninjas), i really doubt this idea will go anywhere.

You're right, it doesn't belong to the GW world I know, but I tried to introduced it. As for the Espionnage thing, it'd mostly be PvP based.. Well, the truth is, the Ninja would be only used in PvP, as it have nothing to do in PvE...

Well, my post wasn't clear enough. I didn't mean "tank" the way you get all the damage and still survive, but the "tank" where you dodge, get low damage, condition the attackers, etc.

Yep, new conditions would be the key and I agree that when the word ninja enters my ear, I think about agility, tricks.

I'll have to re-consider all this, and might work on it.

This char could only be PvP based as I said, since it would totally blow in PvE. And I guess I'll have to take the Assassination skill out, since that's the assassins job^^

attributes dont work. cant put inherit bonuses into non-primaries.

Id rather play a Sin, than a Ninja.
Why do people like to copy my layouts?
I know it's not a complete copy still, this is the 5th time already.

@Manga
Because your layout is intuitive, so even without seeing it, there's a large chance that people will come up a somewhat similar one.
+ the people that post CC's that we want to read, first check out some other posts (and hopefully did a search for similar themed classes, for ideas or to offer their support) And with the amount of CC's you have pumped out, there's a large chance 1 or more of those previews of layouts will be yours.
(Though you have to watch out, with PT's CC factory he might out do you in numbers soon)

@ the OP
If your not a Naruto fan, how did you manage to get ninjutsu that wrong?
(Ninjutsu is only magic in Naruto, even in ninja movies its a martial art, at times in reaches of the impossible; not that impossible is necessarily a bad thing, it makes the movies look pretty cool)
A ninja is a healer turned killer, with their knowledge of anatomy they invented a martial art that exploits every weak spot humans have.
(for GW continuity, it would be ok to say they are experts of monster anatomy as well)
Once ninjitsu had been invented it could be thought to non medics as well, but that did not change that all ninjas had to learn of anatomy.
When [skill=text]Sharpen Daggers[/skill] was still activated on critical hits, it along with several skills in deadly arts, made clear how much a assassin was related to ninjitsu.

And for some reason I get the feeling you where planing on giving an attribute named ... magic mostly adrenaline based skills.

@Bowstring
Did you see a muffin before you jumped?

@every1
How did this CC get more replies in 9 and a half hours than some do in a week?
Are there really that many bloggers here? All of em itching for a pirate <> ninja argument?

That's fie I actually seem to hate people copying my layout^^.
Espescially without my Permission!
Even though it's 40% or 60% of it!
As long at it has Obvious RecemblancesXD!
I am angry!

I am getting to my Tantrums againXD.

@ Magna: I didn't copy your layout sorry, came up with my own, which I just saw is pretty similar to yours, so sorry I guess?

@ System: Ever played Final Fantasy XI? If not, then the Ninja class uses Ninjutsu and I knew that even before Naruto got knowned. Oh btw, what you mean I got the ninjutsu "that wrong"?

ZOMG!

It's like, an assassin, paragon, warrior, mesmer, and elementalist all in one!

SWEET

DOES IT TELEPORT AND KILL STUFF TOO?

epic post.

I was assuming, ninjitsu magic was naruto like ninjitsu, because I though little other sources of ninja lore could have made it magic like.

On which, no I have never even seen a ninja in the FF MMO, Kinda surprises me as I did see a lot of armor pictures from it that were pirate themed(Yarr 'ej seam ta luv 'em 'ere!).

But on that, I don't know how wrong FF ninjitsu magic is, would need to wait till you post skills, to see if it is somewhat makes sense.

was it something I said in an earlier forum? xD

but still I give this idea a 10/30 (soo boooooooo)

0/10 for creativity, it's just a modified sin
10/10 for complex spell type system
5/10 for practicality
and you know what just take another -5 points because it's a complete and utter copy of NARUTO!!!!!! You even directly copied the lines of some of the earlier episodes as skills (espionage and so on). At the very least you watched it subbed at some point! xD

LMAO

Am I the only one who hates that whole stupid argument?

Complete copy of Naruto? Hmm no?

Go on wiki, type Ninja and look with your own eyes. I used a real sort of Ninja, and if Naruto did too, good for them, but I didn't copy them as they didn't invent the Ninja.

@System: FF didn't get the Ninjutsu system wrong, they just didn't implemented the WHOLE Ninjutsus. I know what a Ninjutsu is, and which kinds of Ninjutsus there are. They just took a single one (The Shinobi-Iri), developped it and added some of the FF magic to make it better.

Ok, that restores some of my faith in capcom; it sorta bugged me, I was accusing them of pre-teen creativity.


And at that that means the idea isn't based on pre-teen logic, so it stands a chance to contain some interesting stuff, even if the overall identity has glitches.
So on the concept:
What does 'when stabbing an enemy' mean?
I imagine I can stab an enemy with daggers and swords too, but would be slashing them a large part of the time as well.
So would I with a katana;
I guess only a claw or held spear weapon stabs all the time.

Which leads to, if an assassination stab is not something bound to 1 weapon how are you checking weather or not someone is stabbing?
Is it a overriding attack animation whenever behind your target.
Or does it work on specific animation in the attack animation cue, which would become typed?

And why use crit chance? Thats kind of already been covered, theres plenty of other ways to deal extra damage.
The chance affects your stabs to be armor ignoring.
Or inflict a condition for 1 second for each rank in assassination
Or deal 2 bonus damage for each rank in assassination
Or whatever fits assassination

O.o move faster permentently, reduced chance to get aggro.
Add a armor boosting skill and you have the ultimate running class.
Good thing you didn't give them more than 2 energy regen to maintain more enchantments
Stealth needs a nerf on running, and a effectiveness boost for PvP.

As you don't have a specific weapons skill, but do have a martial type weapon I suggest you use stealth for that purpose.
Perhaps rename the katana, because it is the weapon of honorable samurai not stealthy ninja's.(I forgot the name of that half long blade ninjas like, and can't look it up right now)
It increases damage and crit chance with the weapon, as well as:

1. A chance to be unbockable when your target is not targeting you.
   or
2. A % damage increase to targets not targeting you.
   or
3. A chance for you to break targeting(un-aggro) for a short while.
   (Would work against players too, it's very powerful so it would last only 1 second; except when in a certain elite stance/enchantment/jutsu then it last 2 seconds per application)
   (that would open up a nice conditional on skills, in the stealth attribute)

My 2 cents, which are euro-cents so they go for 3 times the post length dollar cents do now