20%/20% wand + 20%/20% offhand

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G
Gore
Lion's Arch Merchant
#1
Ok so this one is easy. It's writen all over that the recharge time is capped at 20% but PVX propose in alot of builds to get 20% times 4 itmes.

Has this been changed or its still the same ? I used to like 1 handed stuff but im into 20% Enchants these days.

So what is the final word on that ? Any clues guys ?
CHunterX
CHunterX
Wilds Pathfinder
#2
Better chances of recharge with 20/20 + 20/20. If the first set doesn't recharge it faster, the next might
I D E L E T E D I
I D E L E T E D I
Wilds Pathfinder
#3
I always thought it was capped at 36% or not? IF not then what CHunterX said
BigDave
BigDave
Krytan Explorer
#4
20/20 on a wand and offhand is for both Spell Recharge and Casting Time.

you have a 20% chance on each to halve the cast time, and a 20% chance on each to halve the recharge.

What you don't get is a 40% chance. It works out a bit lower because the two 20% chances work separately from each other. I think the figure is 32% chance of one of them triggering and a 4% chance of both triggering. Not sure if a quarter cast time/recharge is possible when they both trigger, there might be a limit to how far you can reduce it. One thing i do know is i've dropped quite a few 1sec Meteor Showers when using Mindbender. Mindbender reduces cast time by 50% which would mean a 2.5 sec MS so the rest of the reduction must have come from my weapon. Can't say i've ever done that without Mindbender though with a 20/20 wand and focus set.
pumpkin pie
pumpkin pie
Furnace Stoker
#5
I thought they all cap at 33% except health.
W
Wish Swiftdeath
Desert Nomad
#6
you can get 1/8 cast i think. Pretty sure i've rof'ed myself without stopping
Avarre
Avarre
Bubblegum Patrol
#7
You can get a dual trigger on your cast mods (1/4 of base time) but not on recharge (capped at 50% from multiple effects). Having more mods increases the likelihood of having at least one trigger.
EPO Bot
EPO Bot
Desert Nomad
#8
I use those on my healing monk and the occasional nearly instant Rez chant is dope when it triggers.
Kale Ironfist
Kale Ironfist
Jungle Guide
#9
You can drop cast times as much as you want. Only recharge has the 50% cap, except if dropped by more from a single source (eg, Ritual Lord)
6am3 Fana71c
6am3 Fana71c
Krytan Explorer
#10
I remember I casted Aegis allmost instantly few times with dual 20/20 prot set. It's a hax <3
Crom The Pale
Crom The Pale
Furnace Stoker
#11
If you have 2 x 20% recharge you basically get 20% chance of recharge, if that fails you get a second 20% chance if it works on the first the second is ignored.

As for casting you can get both to work giving you 1/4 casting time.
YunSooJin
YunSooJin
Pyromaniac
#12
it adds up to 36% chance of one faster recharge/cast proccing, and a 4% chance of both proccing.

so 36% 1/2 casting time or recharge
4% 1/4 casting time
Savio
Savio
Teenager with attitude
#13
Quote:
Originally Posted by YunSooJin
it adds up to 36% chance of one faster recharge/cast proccing, and a 4% chance of both proccing.

so 36% 1/2 casting time or recharge
4% 1/4 casting time
For casting, it's 32% half, 4% quarter. For recharge it's 36% half.
R
Red Sonya
Desert Nomad
#14
When you have spells that recharge in 1 or 2 seconds is it really worth it?
YunSooJin
YunSooJin
Pyromaniac
#15
how is it 32% half? That doesn't make sense.

(Chance of first mod) + (Chance of second mod) - (chance of both mods)=
0.2 + 0.2 - 0.04 = 0.36

or simply

0.2 * 1 + 0.2 * (1-0.2) = 0.36 for one of the 20% mods to proc, but not both.

Oh and my post should say 40% recharge.
Avarre
Avarre
Bubblegum Patrol
#16
Quote:
Originally Posted by YunSooJin
how is it 32% half? That doesn't make sense.

(Chance of first mod) + (Chance of second mod) - (chance of both mods)=
0.2 + 0.2 - 0.04 = 0.36

or simply

0.2 * 1 + 0.2 * (1-0.2) = 0.36 for one of the 20% mods to proc, but not both.

Oh and my post should say 40% recharge.
They activate one after another or something;

0.2 * 0.8 (one trigger) = 0.16
0.8 * 0.2 = 0.16

Combined chance = 32%

0.2 * 0.2 (two trigger) = 4%

0.8 *0.8 (no trigger) = 64%

These are just the figures I've read though.
Yichi
Yichi
Furnace Stoker
#17
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c
I remember I casted Aegis allmost instantly few times with dual 20/20 prot set. It's a hax <3
Its more fun with a 40% fc, 20% recharge, 20% enchanting staff
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya
When you have spells that recharge in 1 or 2 seconds is it really worth it?
no. but it is helpful for skills that take 10 seconds or more to recharge, which is a main reason why it is in a weapon swap set.
C
Chthon
Grotto Attendant
#18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
For casting, it's 32% half, 4% quarter. For recharge it's 36% half.
This is correct.

Recharge is capped at 50% faster, so, when that 4% chance of quarter triggers, you still only get half. Technically, you might say "32% half, and 4% quarter that gets capped down to half," but the end result is 36% half.
rohara
rohara
Krytan Explorer
#19
40/40 is leet when you get a 1/2 sec cast on aegis or a sb/rof where yr body doesn't even move.