Picking out a couple of secondary’s for discussion.

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

27 Nov 2007 at 17:49 - 1

Monk or Dervish secondary which in your opinion is better?

[skill]vigorous spirit[/skill] and [skill]restful breeze[/skill] Healing while attacking and great healing when not also the ability to add a resurrection spell.

[skill]Vital Boon[/skill] or [skill]aura of thorns[/skill] and [skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill] constant healing and other options for conditions.

Both secondaries will have to worry about enchantment rips

Personally I see dervish as a better choice at least for me. Especially when you mix the long lasting cost enchantments with +20% enchantment handle. Not much of an energy concern since you are constantly able to attack.

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

27 Nov 2007 at 17:52 - 2

restfull breeze is probably the only healing skill worth taking

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

27 Nov 2007 at 18:01 - 3

Dervish I guess, though I'd rather have Ele or Rit...

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

27 Nov 2007 at 18:05 - 4

Yep. Vig spirit is kinda lame. Sand Shards work only with Scythes. Mystic Regen is too much ene, even for Assassin, class with the greatest e-management in the world.

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

27 Nov 2007 at 18:29 - 5

WTF you talking about, Abedeus? Mystic Regen is one of the only good Derv skills for assassin. About a third of all MBlossom builds use it. And the profession with the best e-management is Necro. 30+ energy in 15 seconds, just from sitting on the midline. But yeah, think a bit before you post.

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

27 Nov 2007 at 18:31 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaigoda

WTF you talking about, Abedeus? Mystic Regen is one of the only good Derv skills for assassin. About a third of all MBlossom builds use it.

Doesn't mean it's good Quote: Originally Posted by Jaigoda And the profession with the best e-management is Necro. 30+ energy in 15 seconds, just from sitting on the midline. Try Paragon ..

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Originally Posted by Jaigoda

But yeah, think a bit before you post. same for you

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

27 Nov 2007 at 18:35 - 7

Vig sucks, and i think mystic regen is a bit of a waste. Restful aint bad though but A/D can do WAY better things than heal.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

27 Nov 2007 at 18:57 - 8

go for restful

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

27 Nov 2007 at 19:25 - 9

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

Doesn't mean it's good

Doesn't mean it's not, 'eh? And actually, it is pretty damn good. I prefer WoP with CS myself, but MR's still a good choice.

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac Try Paragon .. Paragon's isn't as powerful because it requires you to be using shouts and chants. Necro on the other hand, allows you to do very nearly ANYTHING you want to do. It'd be like saying that Dervs have the best e-management because they gain lots of energy if allies spam enchants on them.

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

same for you I'm not the one who has four words or less per reply....

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

27 Nov 2007 at 20:08 - 10

One thing you got to love about the sin forum you all reply with daggers Ouch..

Edited post Took out [skill]sand shards[/skill] slaps head

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

27 Nov 2007 at 21:51 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaigoda

Doesn't mean it's not, 'eh? And actually, it is pretty damn good. I prefer WoP with CS myself, but MR's still a good choice.

Was not referring to the skill itself, but the useless argument: one third of all moebius builds use it.
1/3 of al the Warrior builds in PvE use healing hands. That means it's good, no?

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Originally Posted by Jaigoda Paragon's isn't as powerful because it requires you to be using shouts and chants. Necro on the other hand, allows you to do very nearly ANYTHING you want to do. It'd be like saying that Dervs have the best e-management because they gain lots of energy if allies spam enchants on them. Spamming Watch Yourself and Go For the Eyes isn't hard, you can actually control your energy more directly

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Originally Posted by Jaigoda

I'm not the one who has four words or less per reply.... ok

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

27 Nov 2007 at 22:15 - 12

In Pve Necro's have the best Natural Energy management.

A necro does not need to do anything to get energy back.

Paragon's must have adrenaline/ energy and use that.

Sin's must be attacking,etc.

If your getting energy for doing nothing? And its pretty much all the energy you need every 15 seconds?

>.> hmm.

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

27 Nov 2007 at 22:16 - 13

No Locust fury with Vigarious?

Lame.
Thats the only time I do use that =P

craigrs84

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2007

27 Nov 2007 at 22:27 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

Was not referring to the skill itself, but the useless argument: one third of all moebius builds use it.
1/3 of al the Warrior builds in PvE use healing hands. That means it's good, no?

Spamming Watch Yourself and Go For the Eyes isn't hard, you can actually control your energy more directly

ok stop arguing over stupid stuff, we all know that its a great skill/build for PVE, regardless of how many builds use it. you just can't beat the crazy regen, perma ias, and perma 75% block combined with insane dps from death blossom.

dont even try to compare it to a healing hands warrior.

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

27 Nov 2007 at 23:12 - 15

Damn, its getting hot in here.

Not long before something catches fire!

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

27 Nov 2007 at 23:40 - 16

Neither imo would rather use an IAS for pvp.

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

28 Nov 2007 at 05:19 - 17

MS + DB + crit agility + crit defenses + mystic regen = PvE /resigns

[M]agna_[C]arta

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Philippines, LSGH

Legions of the Golden Aguila [PNOY]

A/D

28 Nov 2007 at 05:28 - 18

I actually have a build for both A/Mo and A/D^^.
The AD is used for Heavy Multi-Damage.
And the A/Mo is good in survival.
Try getting, Vigor Spirit and Live Vicorously with Golden Skill and Death Blossom with Mobious Strike and Critical Strike^^.
It's really fun especially with Critical Defences.
And the A/D just get a schyte with Kurzick Derv Skill, Way of Assassin, Master and some Scyhte attack.
Causing Heavy Damage^^.
Scythe+Scythe Attack+Crit Damage+??% more damage = 100+ Damage each strike^^.
But those Rits with Daggers are better^^.

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

28 Nov 2007 at 05:43 - 19

Vigorous Spirit + Live Vicariously (spelling correctly makes you look a lot smarter) = Way of Perfection. Might not be QUITE as much healing (comes close if you've got 12+ DM and CS, with Crit Eye in there), but it frees up your secondary, gives an extra pip of energy, and only takes up one slot. Plus, VS+LV makes you look like a paladin idiot.