Decent PVE IAS option for Proph?
Keero89
Including Elites, which is a good one since I don't get [skill]Flail[/skill] or the Faction ones? Been using Flurry on my Axe build, but I'm going Hammer since Sword/Axe builds that I ran on my W/E wasn't really that good. Should I go an Elite stance, or keep with the unlinked ones?
mrmango
Flurry is fine tbh, but Frenzy is better as long as you manage it well and bring Rush (great cancel stance).
Elite-wise, Battle Rage is fine, but I don't really like it
Elite-wise, Battle Rage is fine, but I don't really like it
cellardweller
Flurry is the best with a hammer. Axe/sword goes well with tiger's fury and a zealous weapon.
Marverick
Frenzy is best with a Hammer, that -25% damage REALLY hurts with Hammers.
[skill]Tiger's Fury[/skill] is probably your best bet really, as said above. You can use a Zealous weapon to keep it up or use [skill]Ferocious Strike[/skill] if you're running Swordsmanship since there's not really any useful Sword elites in Prophecies.
Of course if you have someone else in your party holding aggro besides you, you can use Frenzy if you bring a cancel stance.
[skill]Tiger's Fury[/skill] is probably your best bet really, as said above. You can use a Zealous weapon to keep it up or use [skill]Ferocious Strike[/skill] if you're running Swordsmanship since there's not really any useful Sword elites in Prophecies.
Of course if you have someone else in your party holding aggro besides you, you can use Frenzy if you bring a cancel stance.
Omniclasm
Yeah...if you are using Flurry with a hammer, you may as well use a sword/axe, with a shield, and no stance.
Utaku
I'd use Frenzy without a doubt. With high health and high armor, you're not targeted for very long anyway.
Marty Silverblade
Proph isn't nearly as hard as the other 2 campaigns, so feel free to use Frenzy once you get a decent feel for the game and how stuff works.
Arkantos
Battle rage is bad and a waste of an elite slot, tigers fury is bad because you have to spec into BM and it's only a 25% ias. I'd go with flurry, or frenzy if you have cancel stance.
A Leprechaun
Battle Rage isnt even an IAS its just a run buff and gives you double adrenaline.
Yeah I'm afraid your stuck with Flurry or Frenzy for now. Dwarvern Battle stance is fun on a Hammer warrior though you cant keep it up all the time, or use skills through it.
~A Leprechaun~
Yeah I'm afraid your stuck with Flurry or Frenzy for now. Dwarvern Battle stance is fun on a Hammer warrior though you cant keep it up all the time, or use skills through it.
~A Leprechaun~
Stormlord Alex
I'd Frenzy, personally.
Or you could use Flurry is you're a wuss, though... tbh, I don't get targeted much so Frenzy is pretty safe.
Or you could use Flurry is you're a wuss, though... tbh, I don't get targeted much so Frenzy is pretty safe.
Crom The Pale
[skill]Dwarven Battle Stance[/skill] is great on a hammer war to build adren for a knockdown/spike.
[skill]Frenzy[/skill] is good but beware of your surounding when you use it.
[skill]Frenzy[/skill] is good but beware of your surounding when you use it.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
[skill]Dwarven Battle Stance[/skill] is great on a hammer war to build adren for a knockdown/spike.
If you simply must.
[skill]Devastating Hammer[/skill] or [skill]Backbreaker[/skill] with Frenzy are less wasteful of your elite slot.
[skill]Devastating Hammer[/skill] or [skill]Backbreaker[/skill] with Frenzy are less wasteful of your elite slot.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
[skill]Dwarven Battle Stance[/skill] is great on a hammer war to build adren for a knockdown/spike.
DBS is a crappy IAS to use. It's elite, 10e, and you can keep it up indefinitely. I really don't see why you'd suggest this.
DBS is a crappy IAS to use. It's elite, 10e, and you can keep it up indefinitely. I really don't see why you'd suggest this.
Marverick
It's not a bad elite, use [skill]"On Your Knees!"[/skill] to recharge it.
But yea that's not available in Prophecies.
Frenzy is good on Warriors in PvP because they aren't high-priority targets. But Warriors in PvE are usually the ones who go into a mob first to take aggro so Frenzy is a bad idea. That is unless you enjoy being reincarnated as a minion :-)
Prophecies has a ton of mobs with Wild Blow so stances which makes Battle Rage suck worse.
But yea that's not available in Prophecies.
Frenzy is good on Warriors in PvP because they aren't high-priority targets. But Warriors in PvE are usually the ones who go into a mob first to take aggro so Frenzy is a bad idea. That is unless you enjoy being reincarnated as a minion :-)
Prophecies has a ton of mobs with Wild Blow so stances which makes Battle Rage suck worse.
Age
I would go [skill]Frenzy[/skill] then to cancel use[skill]Sprint[/skill]the reason there is no great skill in Proph for IAS.
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Proph isn't nearly as hard as the other 2 campaigns, so feel free to use Frenzy once you get a decent feel for the game and how stuff works. On the contrary I found that there were more hexes and conditions in Proph. than the other campaigns especially hexes.I found more conditions in Factions and NF but no where near the amount of hexes and in Proph. you level slower and ascend later in game more like close to the end.Most are 20 anyway by the time they ascend.This isn't the case with Factions and NF.
Snow Bunny
Frenzy + Rush = Sex
Tyla
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Frenzy + Rush = Sex
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Yichi
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
[skill]Dwarven Battle Stance[/skill] is great on a hammer war to build adren for a knockdown/spike.
You're building adrenaline for a KD spike and you have DBS as your elite? No offense, but please stop posting advice.
On topic:
Flurry can be very good, in fact with a zealous weapon can be spammed on recharge. A lot of people have a bad rep with flurry because it was glitched where it did even less damage than was listed. it has been fixed and can be a decent ias if you're not wanting to take the chance of getting caught in frenzy and have no other really viable alternatives for ias.
Frenzy can be amazing. Probably the best ias for a warrior hands down from the origional campaign, but remember to have a cancel stance clost by so that as soon as you see your character taking any decent amount of damage you can cancel frenzy. Rush is a great cancel skill provided you have the adrenaline to use it. If you have to cancel early and dont have the adrenaline for it, you can get caught pretty easily. Sprint is another cheap and good alternative, but you have a similar situation to rush in that sprint has a recharge and you can get caught if youre spamming frenzy a lot.
On topic:
Flurry can be very good, in fact with a zealous weapon can be spammed on recharge. A lot of people have a bad rep with flurry because it was glitched where it did even less damage than was listed. it has been fixed and can be a decent ias if you're not wanting to take the chance of getting caught in frenzy and have no other really viable alternatives for ias.
Frenzy can be amazing. Probably the best ias for a warrior hands down from the origional campaign, but remember to have a cancel stance clost by so that as soon as you see your character taking any decent amount of damage you can cancel frenzy. Rush is a great cancel skill provided you have the adrenaline to use it. If you have to cancel early and dont have the adrenaline for it, you can get caught pretty easily. Sprint is another cheap and good alternative, but you have a similar situation to rush in that sprint has a recharge and you can get caught if youre spamming frenzy a lot.
A Leprechaun
DBS is fun to use and can be reasonably effective in PvE. The fact that you cant use attack skills while its up means that you can use "lose all adrenaline" skills without feeling too helpless because you will either be doing an attack chain or be under DBS, 10 second down time isn't that long.
Just use something like this:
[skill]Dwarven Battle Stance[/skill][skill]Tiger Stance[/skill][skill]Mighty Blow[/skill][skill]Hammer Bash[/skill][skill]Crushing Blow[/skill][skill]Lion's Comfort[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill] *Utility*
Use Tigers stance when DBS is down so you're always in an IAS, after DBS your chain will be charged, so go Mighty -> Bash -> Crushing. Lion's as heal or you could take Heal Sig instead, as you will be losing all adrenaline every now and again. As for your utility you could go with a Conjure for extra damage but that would mean you have a lot of energy skills, or you could take something like Mending Touch or "Watch Yourself".
Just a concept, I like the skill.
~A Leprechaun~
Just use something like this:
[skill]Dwarven Battle Stance[/skill][skill]Tiger Stance[/skill][skill]Mighty Blow[/skill][skill]Hammer Bash[/skill][skill]Crushing Blow[/skill][skill]Lion's Comfort[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill] *Utility*
Use Tigers stance when DBS is down so you're always in an IAS, after DBS your chain will be charged, so go Mighty -> Bash -> Crushing. Lion's as heal or you could take Heal Sig instead, as you will be losing all adrenaline every now and again. As for your utility you could go with a Conjure for extra damage but that would mean you have a lot of energy skills, or you could take something like Mending Touch or "Watch Yourself".
Just a concept, I like the skill.
~A Leprechaun~
Burst Cancel
Frenzy. Prophecies damage is borderline irrelevant; if you're really worried about it you can take a protbot.
I mean, hell, some of the jokers I've played with take Frenzy into Hard Mode because they're "PvP warriors" and don't know any better (you ****heads know who you are). We did just fine; prot spirit doesn't give two shits about whether you take double damage or not.
I mean, hell, some of the jokers I've played with take Frenzy into Hard Mode because they're "PvP warriors" and don't know any better (you ****heads know who you are). We did just fine; prot spirit doesn't give two shits about whether you take double damage or not.
blue.rellik
DBS is a 'fun' elite, sure it's no Devastating or Backbreaker but really for Prophecies PvE it's fine. It works especially well against the Stone Summit monks and mursaat monks boss since they can't get their MoP/Orison spam off as well
Burst Cancel
The thing is, if you're using hammers it's really easy to keep Dolyak Riders and Mursaat Monks on their backs for the majority of the fight - which is a hell of a lot better than interrupting them.
A Leprechaun
I don't think Dolyak riders can be knocked down, I might be wrong.
~A Leprechaun~
~A Leprechaun~
Burst Cancel
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I don't think Dolyak riders can be knocked down, I might be wrong.
~A Leprechaun~ Hmm, you're probably right there, now that I think about it. I haven't been in the southern shivers in months.
The Mursaat monks however ...
~A Leprechaun~ Hmm, you're probably right there, now that I think about it. I haven't been in the southern shivers in months.
The Mursaat monks however ...
blue.rellik
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The thing is, if you're using hammers it's really easy to keep Dolyak Riders and Mursaat Monks on their backs for the majority of the fight - which is a hell of a lot better than interrupting them.
As Lep said, Dolyak riders are pretty hard to knock down. Maybe if we were in a junundu
Also knockdown chains are awesome-fun but not letting anyone get off a spell and not be a ranger is even more fun. Only downside is that it's against the AI
Also knockdown chains are awesome-fun but not letting anyone get off a spell and not be a ranger is even more fun. Only downside is that it's against the AI
Burst Cancel
Against anything that can be knocked down, KD chains are far more effective at shutting down spellcasters than DBS is. Nevermind that it doesn't even last its recharge - there's the problem that you're only hitting once every 1.17 seconds, which frankly is a pretty big window to cast through.
Finally, it only takes one skill to shut down enemy monks in prophecies: Diversion.
Finally, it only takes one skill to shut down enemy monks in prophecies: Diversion.
blue.rellik
*smashes head against a wall multiple times*
Arkantos
If you want to interrupt something, wasting your elite slot on a skill that lasts about 1/3 of the recharge max hitting once every 1.17 seconds without being able to use attack skills is fail.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
DBS is a 'fun' elite, sure it's no Devastating or Backbreaker but really for Prophecies PvE it's fine. It works especially well against the Stone Summit monks and mursaat monks boss since they can't get their MoP/Orison spam off as well
Reading is hard
Did I ever say DBS should replace Devastating/Backbreaker/Earthshaker? I don't think so. Did I say it was very effective? Nope. I was saying that it's fun (ie something different to use once in a while). Yes I'm not stupid to run this in PvP but this is Prophecies PvE, like the easiest of them all and a single build won't make much difference. Am I advocating the use of bad skills? I mean running the same skills over and over and over and over and over again does get boring eventually. No, I'm advocating the use of skills differently, since as someone else mentioned DBS combined with 'On your Knees' will recharge it. I mean bows are really for spiking and conditions but that won't stop me from making a DPS type build.
Did I ever say DBS should replace Devastating/Backbreaker/Earthshaker? I don't think so. Did I say it was very effective? Nope. I was saying that it's fun (ie something different to use once in a while). Yes I'm not stupid to run this in PvP but this is Prophecies PvE, like the easiest of them all and a single build won't make much difference. Am I advocating the use of bad skills? I mean running the same skills over and over and over and over and over again does get boring eventually. No, I'm advocating the use of skills differently, since as someone else mentioned DBS combined with 'On your Knees' will recharge it. I mean bows are really for spiking and conditions but that won't stop me from making a DPS type build.
Crom The Pale
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
If you want to interrupt something, wasting your elite slot on a skill that lasts about 1/3 of the recharge max hitting once every 1.17 seconds without being able to use attack skills is fail.
With the right build you can keep Dwarven Battle Stance up 100% of the time and still have your knockdowns and spike dmg attacks.
There are quite a few foes that can not be knocked down and plenty of bosses. Being able to interupt them constantly is a benifit. This is not the best hammer war elite, but it can be very effective when used vs the right foes.
There are quite a few foes that can not be knocked down and plenty of bosses. Being able to interupt them constantly is a benifit. This is not the best hammer war elite, but it can be very effective when used vs the right foes.
A Leprechaun
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
If you want to interrupt something, wasting your elite slot on a skill that lasts about 1/3 of the recharge max hitting once every 1.17 seconds without being able to use attack skills is fail.
Its 1/2 of the time anyway. Its a 20 second recharge. And being not up all the time means you can have an attack/KD chain in between uses.
~A Leprechaun~
~A Leprechaun~
ghostlyfenix
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Originally Posted by A Leprechaun
Use Tigers stance when DBS is down so you're always in an IAS, after DBS your chain will be charged, so go Mighty -> Bash -> Crushing. Lion's as heal or you could take Heal Sig instead, as you will be losing all adrenaline every now and again. As for your utility you could go with a Conjure for extra damage but that would mean you have a lot of energy skills, or you could take something like Mending Touch or "Watch Yourself".
Just a concept, I like the skill.
~A Leprechaun~ he asked for proph not factions.
anyways, frenzy is best ias with rush for cancel
and why waste on ias that has 30 sec recharge and wasting a elite spot, put in a more useful elite ...
A Leprechaun
DBS has a 20 second recharge. Yeah sorry forgot about the only prophecies thing. Frenzy is ok but not great in PvE.
~A Leprechaun~
~A Leprechaun~