Best Bow for Splinter Barrage?
Wrath of m0o
What would be the best bow to use for Splinter Barrage?
Wakka
Your probably best with a flatbow.
Due to its long range your probably going to hit more than 1 target (while if you had the likes of a shortbow you would hit less). You also have the fastest refire rate of a bow in the game, so really helps to increase your DPS ^^
Due to its long range your probably going to hit more than 1 target (while if you had the likes of a shortbow you would hit less). You also have the fastest refire rate of a bow in the game, so really helps to increase your DPS ^^
Orange Milk
I'm not a fan of flat bows personally, arc is too big, accuracy is too small, if you have a FW, maybe use one.
I typically Splitter/Barrage with a Vamp Long Bow, maybe carry a Zealous aswell in case constant casting of the splitter eats up your energy too much.
But yes, the longer the range the better, keep those Imps outta casting range.
I typically Splitter/Barrage with a Vamp Long Bow, maybe carry a Zealous aswell in case constant casting of the splitter eats up your energy too much.
But yes, the longer the range the better, keep those Imps outta casting range.
Wakka
Ah yea true, I was assuming you have FW somewhere in the build ^^
Wrath of m0o
I was thinking a Sundering Hornbow, does the 30% Sundering apply to the Splinter?
Diddy bow
I like flatbows myself, dumb pve baddies dont kite and if your going for more than one ranger FW should be in there anyway 
. Longbows are nice to, but i wouldnt go for anything outside max range for splint barrage.
. Longbows are nice to, but i wouldnt go for anything outside max range for splint barrage.
lennymon
Heh, I actually like to use a shortbow, dwarven stability, whirling defense and LR (LR first) and just go crazy... but hey, I also accept that I'm not exactly right in the head.
Nyktos
Flat with FW, Recurve or Long otherwise.
terminus123
is splinter barrage the Splinter Weapon+Barrage combo? if it is, then it's been nerfed greatly, it used to be adjacent damage for every arrow fired but now only 3 adjacent people can only get hit once.
Rathcail
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it's been nerfed greatly, it used to be adjacent damage for every arrow fired but now only 3 adjacent people can only get hit once.
The Meth
Longbow/shortbow combos works well, I would recommend a zealous and a vamp bow. Also, consider going volley/splinter which still allows you to get those splinter weapon shots off but lets you use your elite for Burning Arrow or Broad Head Arrow.
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Originally Posted by terminus123
is splinter barrage the Splinter Weapon+Barrage combo? if it is, then it's been nerfed greatly, it used to be adjacent damage for every arrow fired but now only 3 adjacent people can only get hit once.
It hasn't really been nerfed 'greatly', outside of the deep, urgoz and certain quests, I can't think of where you would have many more then 4 enemies in adjacent range of each other. It was very good before, insanely good in certain rare cases, now its just very good all the time.
Wakka
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LMAO ^^
Wakka Chaos Stein
I would go for Chakkr's Flatbow, green flatbow.I used it with my A/R crit barager, and it works perfectly!
Tutis Evito
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Originally Posted by terminus123
is splinter barrage the Splinter Weapon+Barrage combo? if it is, then it's been nerfed greatly, it used to be adjacent damage for every arrow fired but now only 3 adjacent people can only get hit once.
It still works great for slavers, snowmans, fow etc etc I have 4 bows, depends of the situation...usually i go for a flatbow/longbow...i use dragos and a vamp longbow. I also use drokners recurve bow and elwsyths recuve bow depending on situation, enemy placement etc
Wakka
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have 4 bows, depends of the situation...usually i go for a flatbow/longbow...i use dragos and a vamp longbow. I also use drokners recurve bow and elwsyths recuve bow depending on situation, enemy placement etc
No Shortbow? :O
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Tutis Evito
no, not for splinter barrge, i dont really fancy getting that close using s/b
Wakka
No Rangers or Casters do but thats not the way it always works out
Age
Longbow is what you want I saw this action for real.
Mist Walker Skarloc
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I was thinking a Sundering Hornbow, does the 30% Sundering apply to the Splinter?
No, Splinter damage ignores armour. Even if it didn't, the Hornbow's inherant sundering would only apply to the arrow's base damage.
To the OP, get a Zealous Flatbow. Chthon
Some notes:
Longbow and flatbow provide the kind of range that you want to keep between you and the monsters. Everything else is going to put you inside of spell range, or closer. Flatbow misses a damn lot without Favorable Winds. Faster is generally better, BUT you have to keep in mind the interplay between bows' "aftercast," Barrage's recharge, and IAS skills. As I understand it, the way the refire period is split up for an auto-attack or a no-activation-time bow attack (like BArrage) is that the first half of the period is string-drawing, the arrow is released in the middle, and then the second half of the period is "aftercast." For laying down a continuous stream of barrages, a 2 sec refire period is ideal, because the 1sec aftercast ends exactly as barrage becomes recharged. A shorter or longer period is going to leave you starting an auto-attack and then interrupting yourself.
Electric Friend
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Longbow and flatbow provide the kind of range that you want to keep between you and the monsters. Everything else is going to put you inside of spell range, or closer. Flatbow misses a damn lot without Favorable Winds. Faster is generally better, BUT you have to keep in mind the interplay between bows' "aftercast," Barrage's recharge, and IAS skills. As I understand it, the way the refire period is split up for an auto-attack or a no-activation-time bow attack (like BArrage) is that the first half of the period is string-drawing, the arrow is released in the middle, and then the second half of the period is "aftercast." For laying down a continuous stream of barrages, a 2 sec refire period is ideal, because the 1sec aftercast ends exactly as barrage becomes recharged. A shorter or longer period is going to leave you starting an auto-attack and then interrupting yourself. I've also thought of the refire rates effecting barrage. But the way you explained it flabbergasted me!! Chthon
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Anyway, an important detail I left out in my haste when posting last night: Once you make it a certain distance into the string-drawing animation and then interrupt yourself, you get a brief animation of lowering the bow back to its starting position so that the string-drawing animation can restart. This extra lowering animation is reported to add about 1/10 of a sec. So, if you're concerned about getting the best barrage rate possible, you need to adjust your bow choice and IAS to avoid interrupting yourself.
Quick reference of estimated optimal IAS points for barrage:flatbow/shotbow - 0 IAS longbow/recurve bow - 17 IAS (I'm not sure if either the 15% from drunken master or the 25% from various sources is close enough to avoid self-interruption.) hornbow - 25.9 IAS (25% is probably close enough) If anyone with a fast PC/connection wants to go test and see if they can reliably chain barrage back to back at these rates, that would be excellent. (Fast PC/connection is needed to make sure your display is in sync with the server.)
Yichi
you don't need an ias to be able to spam barrage on recharge with a recurve
Chthon
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you don't need an ias to be able to spam barrage on recharge with a recurve
I just stepped out and tested this.
Using a longbow/recurve bow you can buffer Barrage once it recharges, then you will get a 0.2 sec delay and then start the animation. It's clean; there's no (aborted) auto-attacks in the middle; and no self-interruption; but it's not quite on the recharge. With IAS you could eliminate that 0.2 sec delay.
(If you don't believe me, take both bows to the isle of the nameless and watch the delay between when you press barrage and when your hand starts back towards your imaginary quiver. The added delay on a longbow/recurve bow is quite perceptible.)
Now, as for the flatbow/shortbow, I'd say that some 2/3 of the time, I mess up the timing and end-up self-interrupting. So I'm slowing my cycles down to 2.1 sec, because I (and my PC and my connection speed) suck. But you don't have to suck like me -- with practice (and speedy hardware) you can fire barrage perfectly on the recharge using a flatbow/shortbow.
Using a longbow/recurve bow you can buffer Barrage once it recharges, then you will get a 0.2 sec delay and then start the animation. It's clean; there's no (aborted) auto-attacks in the middle; and no self-interruption; but it's not quite on the recharge. With IAS you could eliminate that 0.2 sec delay.
(If you don't believe me, take both bows to the isle of the nameless and watch the delay between when you press barrage and when your hand starts back towards your imaginary quiver. The added delay on a longbow/recurve bow is quite perceptible.)
Now, as for the flatbow/shortbow, I'd say that some 2/3 of the time, I mess up the timing and end-up self-interrupting. So I'm slowing my cycles down to 2.1 sec, because I (and my PC and my connection speed) suck. But you don't have to suck like me -- with practice (and speedy hardware) you can fire barrage perfectly on the recharge using a flatbow/shortbow.
Tyla
recurve>all
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Div
FW is a waste of space, unless you run more than one ranger. The range really doesn't matter since your tank should take enough of the aggro anyways, so I'd go with a recurve for pure barrage. The faster attack speed doesn't help, since barrage has a recharge of its own.
Wakka
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Redvex
Longbow for me, especially if group is moving flatbow miss and you pull them without damage.
I Will Avenge You
Personally I use either Vampiric Hornbow (10% AP + life steal) or whatever longbow
samer542
My personal favorite is either a zealous/Vampiric Hornbow for splinter barrage and a fiery hornbow and a zealous hornbow (when energy gets low from ele skills) when i used Conjure Barrage. but thats just Me 
Hookecho
I use a recurve bow for my splinter/barrage ranger because after 2 barrages, splinter has wore off and I like to throw a dshot/savage shot in there and then back to spliter/barrage. but I carry a Recurve, LB, FB, and Short on my ranger for situational conditions
pkodyssey
Recurve, and pack some itnterrupts too!
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MasterSasori
Depends on who or what you play against. I usually prefer flat bow over long bow or recurve.
L-I-E-S
I'm a fan of Vah's Hornbow.
Easy to get, cheap, +5 damage for every arrow, 10% Armor Penetration no matter the circumstance. That's just me.
Easy to get, cheap, +5 damage for every arrow, 10% Armor Penetration no matter the circumstance. That's just me.