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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
They don't perma ban they just give you a slap on the wrist and tell you to change the name.
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Banning Bonanza : Plz Gaile Comment = NO QQ PLS
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Originally Posted by CHunterX
If you think a "slap on the wrist" is missing the overhyped BMP release due to a temp-ban for 3 days because some moderater has a dirty mind, more power to you. Obviously the OP disagrees.
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Are you out to disagree with everyone tonight?
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Originally Posted by KANE OG
Fixed it for you.
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Along the lines of:
1. random person who farms a lot gets banned, sends in tag.
2. receives response along the lines of: while you were banned in error because our bot thought you were a bot, but you are not a bot, you displayed bot-like behavior. We'll un-perma ban you this time, but if you again display bot-like behavior even though you aren't a bot, we'll re-perma ban you
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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
What's the BMP got to do with the OP lol?
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What does the BMP have to do with it? Its like rubbing salt on a wound. Its one thing to get banned for a stupid reason, but missing a(n) event/release/guild-event because of this ban sucks worse.
EDIT: The manpower to update the bot/goldseller-detection has to be less than having to deal with all the extra support tickets NCSoft is getting. I'm sure NCSoft could toss Anet a temp-dev to fix the problem, instead of having to overtime on surplus of Support tickets they have been getting because of these mis-bans.
Know of two people baned resently, one for a grey area, he named his assassin with "a s s" in it. I understand how that would look.
The other makes me think NCsoft Customer Service is horrible. He was 3 day banned at 5 pm on a Friday, never got email notivation why he was, most other game at least email that you have been and for what reason. Also he instantly emailed them asking why he was banned, got a run around until monday morning when they finally said he was banned because he "traded with a known gold seller". So he then asked when it happened, what was traded, was it one sided, and whom was the gold seller. Then the gm hide behind the privacy policy for everything, and closed his ticket.
I understand not giving them players name because of privacy, but giving PROOF of something like: On oct 32 at 13:00 you recieved 300,000 gold, 25 globs of ectoplasm and nagas right hand finger from a one sided trade.
This makes me weary of how much I can trust the GMs.
The other makes me think NCsoft Customer Service is horrible. He was 3 day banned at 5 pm on a Friday, never got email notivation why he was, most other game at least email that you have been and for what reason. Also he instantly emailed them asking why he was banned, got a run around until monday morning when they finally said he was banned because he "traded with a known gold seller". So he then asked when it happened, what was traded, was it one sided, and whom was the gold seller. Then the gm hide behind the privacy policy for everything, and closed his ticket.
I understand not giving them players name because of privacy, but giving PROOF of something like: On oct 32 at 13:00 you recieved 300,000 gold, 25 globs of ectoplasm and nagas right hand finger from a one sided trade.
This makes me weary of how much I can trust the GMs.
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I'm a German Australian and have a sister who played a game a while back online in which she created the character Schweinchen Dick. She and I didn't even think twice about making that name, since it's the name of Porky Pig in German, and we'd been watching the cartoons on that day, but she got banned from that game for a name being inappropriate. If this is going to be an international game, which it IS, then they need to be respectful of other people's languages. Yes is may offend the prudish American conservative's on the servers, but you know what, they're not the only people in the world, nor even the only people in the GW world. |
If she was banned from the game that is surprising becuase I think it's only supposed to be banned until the name is changed.
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Let's see how the report system has changed my game play.
1. Don't do PUGS ever now. To much chance of someone getting pissed off and sending fake reports in. Has already happened to friends. No sense in risking it.
2. Don't farm same area to long otherwise might be considered a bot. Would be nice if someone asked first, as you are being punished for being effiecient.
3. Don't under any circumstances do any type of PVP. If, god forbid, something goes wrong, like internet connection, piss off someone, ect, never know where that will go.
4. Don't trade with a second account. It is considered a bannable offense.
5. Don't help anyone you know for G-D's sake as if you give them something, see rule 4.
6. Don't recommend GW to anyone new for fear that they would expect help, and you can't give it due to rule 4.
7. Don't talk in all chat ever. You may offend someone on a typo. (This was a 3 day ban on a friend and no it was not a curse by any means)
8. Don't try to trade anymore, with all the restrictions, not worth it.
9. Don't respond to a whisper, you never know how the person will take the response.
10. Make sure, no matter what, you find a way to have fun!
Still working on 10, haven't really had it since they killed the pug with this.
1. Don't do PUGS ever now. To much chance of someone getting pissed off and sending fake reports in. Has already happened to friends. No sense in risking it.
2. Don't farm same area to long otherwise might be considered a bot. Would be nice if someone asked first, as you are being punished for being effiecient.
3. Don't under any circumstances do any type of PVP. If, god forbid, something goes wrong, like internet connection, piss off someone, ect, never know where that will go.
4. Don't trade with a second account. It is considered a bannable offense.
5. Don't help anyone you know for G-D's sake as if you give them something, see rule 4.
6. Don't recommend GW to anyone new for fear that they would expect help, and you can't give it due to rule 4.
7. Don't talk in all chat ever. You may offend someone on a typo. (This was a 3 day ban on a friend and no it was not a curse by any means)
8. Don't try to trade anymore, with all the restrictions, not worth it.
9. Don't respond to a whisper, you never know how the person will take the response.
10. Make sure, no matter what, you find a way to have fun!
Still working on 10, haven't really had it since they killed the pug with this.
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
Let's see how the report system has changed my game play.
1. Don't do PUGS ever now. To much chance of someone getting pissed off and sending fake reports in. Has already happened to friends. No sense in risking it. 2. Don't farm same area to long otherwise might be considered a bot. Would be nice if someone asked first, as you are being punished for being effiecient. 3. Don't under any circumstances do any type of PVP. If, god forbid, something goes wrong, like internet connection, piss off someone, ect, never know where that will go. 4. Don't trade with a second account. It is considered a bannable offense. 5. Don't help anyone you know for G-D's sake as if you give them something, see rule 4. 6. Don't recommend GW to anyone new for fear that they would expect help, and you can't give it due to rule 4. 7. Don't talk in all chat ever. You may offend someone on a typo. (This was a 3 day ban on a friend and no it was not a curse by any means) 8. Don't try to trade anymore, with all the restrictions, not worth it. 9. Don't respond to a whisper, you never know how the person will take the response. 10. Make sure, no matter what, you find a way to have fun! Still working on 10, haven't really had it since they killed the pug with this. |
The fact is that Anet just doesn't have enough staff to properly implement a completely fair system when it comes to policing the game. That's the downside of not paying a monthly fee. Anet can't afford to assign staff to constantly watch us in game, which is why they have an automatic ban process set up. To me, it's always seemed that if you have been banned unjustly, and you just take the time to talk to support in a polite manner, they'll look into it and you will more likely than not get unbanned.
No automatic system is perfect. There will always be people being banned by mistake. There's just no way to prevent it. That suggestion that there should be a warning process where you need to contact support with evidence within 1 day before you get banned is a pretty good idea. It would certaintly prevent a lot of unfair bans. However, a lot of damage can be done within a day. If someone is aware they are about to get banned, they will try to create as much havoc as possible.
That's not strictly true. It's a lot easier to pay a dozen or so employees for support purposes than it is to allocate a team to spent months trying to update an automatic system that will, no matter what, always get it wrong a certain percentage of the time.
Text does have an accent, depending on who is reading it. Text is an interpretive thing. A piece of text may mean something different for each individual person.
I often pronouce FAQ as fak. So do a number of people I know. And there is a large discrepency between FAQ and Faq. One is obviously an abbreviation (hence the capitalisation), and one is a word that can be interpreted as a number of things. Someone obviously saw the name Faq Quebec, and thought that that person was making a slur against that province.
No automatic system is perfect. There will always be people being banned by mistake. There's just no way to prevent it. That suggestion that there should be a warning process where you need to contact support with evidence within 1 day before you get banned is a pretty good idea. It would certaintly prevent a lot of unfair bans. However, a lot of damage can be done within a day. If someone is aware they are about to get banned, they will try to create as much havoc as possible.
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Originally Posted by CHunterX
The manpower to update the bot/goldseller-detection has to be less than having to deal with all the extra support tickets NCSoft is getting. I'm sure NCSoft could toss Anet a temp-dev to fix the problem, instead of having to overtime on surplus of Support tickets they have been getting because of these mis-bans.
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Originally Posted by CHunterX
Text doesn't have an accent. (unless you pop up character map)
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I often pronouce FAQ as fak. So do a number of people I know. And there is a large discrepency between FAQ and Faq. One is obviously an abbreviation (hence the capitalisation), and one is a word that can be interpreted as a number of things. Someone obviously saw the name Faq Quebec, and thought that that person was making a slur against that province.
Yeah... I'm French-Canadian and I've seen the guy quite a few times. I assumed he was also a Quebecer and as much as I know Faq sounds close to the F-word in English (so does the word "phoque", pronounced "fok", meaning "seal"...), figured it must have meant FAQ (as in Frequently Asked Questions, who knows O_o) or some kinda guild/organization of some kind people sometimes add into their names. Never took any offense from it even though I AM from Quebec AND speak both languages... people assume too fast I guess.
So yeah, hopefully he'll eventually get his account un-banned, as it's NOT a bypass through the filter so to speak. >_>.
The thing is that, I'll agree, English is the main language used here. I use English online and I speak French everywhere outside my apartment. I try to ply to the rules, but people sometimes don't understand cultural differences or pay too much attention to them. GUessing GW has to become a tad bit lenient if they want to keep their international appeal...
So yeah, hopefully he'll eventually get his account un-banned, as it's NOT a bypass through the filter so to speak. >_>.
The thing is that, I'll agree, English is the main language used here. I use English online and I speak French everywhere outside my apartment. I try to ply to the rules, but people sometimes don't understand cultural differences or pay too much attention to them. GUessing GW has to become a tad bit lenient if they want to keep their international appeal...
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
Let's see how the report system has changed my game play.
1. Don't do PUGS ever now. To much chance of someone getting pissed off and sending fake reports in. Has already happened to friends. No sense in risking it. 2. Don't farm same area to long otherwise might be considered a bot. Would be nice if someone asked first, as you are being punished for being effiecient. 3. Don't under any circumstances do any type of PVP. If, god forbid, something goes wrong, like internet connection, piss off someone, ect, never know where that will go. 4. Don't trade with a second account. It is considered a bannable offense. 5. Don't help anyone you know for G-D's sake as if you give them something, see rule 4. 6. Don't recommend GW to anyone new for fear that they would expect help, and you can't give it due to rule 4. 7. Don't talk in all chat ever. You may offend someone on a typo. (This was a 3 day ban on a friend and no it was not a curse by any means) 8. Don't try to trade anymore, with all the restrictions, not worth it. 9. Don't respond to a whisper, you never know how the person will take the response. 10. Make sure, no matter what, you find a way to have fun! Still working on 10, haven't really had it since they killed the pug with this. |
Anet's rules and reasons for bans are veeeery mild. It's not easy to get banned in GW. This is why, once they started enforcing bans (they haven't for first 2 years), some found themselves punished.
Apart from bot related activites (sorry, playing non-stop for 18 hours for 5 days a week is not normal) and unusual trades, I have yet to see someone get mistakenly banned for making a mistake.
The typos or polite responses are usually STFU NUB GO RED ENGINE YOURSELF. But hey, it happens. You mean to type: Hi!, and something like that comes out. It's happened to all of us. Right?
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Originally Posted by Meat Axe
The fact is that Anet just doesn't have enough staff to properly implement a completely fair system when it comes to policing the game. That's the downside of not paying a monthly fee. Anet can't afford to assign staff to constantly watch us in game, which is why they have an automatic ban process set up. To me, it's always seemed that if you have been banned unjustly, and you just take the time to talk to support in a polite manner, they'll look into it and you will more likely than not get unbanned.
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Originally Posted by Meat Axe
No automatic system is perfect. There will always be people being banned by mistake. There's just no way to prevent it.
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Originally Posted by Meat Axe
That's not strictly true. It's a lot easier to pay a dozen or so employees for support purposes than it is to allocate a team to spent months trying to update an automatic system that will, no matter what, always get it wrong a certain percentage of the time.
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Originally Posted by Meat Axe
Text does have an accent, depending on who is reading it. Text is an interpretive thing. A piece of text may mean something different for each individual person.
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Originally Posted by Meat Axe
I often pronouce FAQ as fak. So do a number of people I know. And there is a large discrepency between FAQ and Faq. One is obviously an abbreviation (hence the capitalisation), and one is a word that can be interpreted as a number of things. Someone obviously saw the name Faq Quebec, and thought that that person was making a slur against that province.
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Originally Posted by Meat Axe
The fact is that Anet just doesn't have enough staff to properly implement a completely fair system when it comes to policing the game. That's the downside of not paying a monthly fee. Anet can't afford to assign staff to constantly watch us in game, which is why they have an automatic ban process set up. To me, it's always seemed that if you have been banned unjustly, and you just take the time to talk to support in a polite manner, they'll look into it and you will more likely than not get unbanned.
No automatic system is perfect. There will always be people being banned by mistake. There's just no way to prevent it. That suggestion that there should be a warning process where you need to contact support with evidence within 1 day before you get banned is a pretty good idea. It would certaintly prevent a lot of unfair bans. However, a lot of damage can be done within a day. If someone is aware they are about to get banned, they will try to create as much havoc as possible. That's not strictly true. It's a lot easier to pay a dozen or so employees for support purposes than it is to allocate a team to spent months trying to update an automatic system that will, no matter what, always get it wrong a certain percentage of the time. Text does have an accent, depending on who is reading it. Text is an interpretive thing. A piece of text may mean something different for each individual person. I often pronouce FAQ as fak. So do a number of people I know. And there is a large discrepency between FAQ and Faq. One is obviously an abbreviation (hence the capitalisation), and one is a word that can be interpreted as a number of things. Someone obviously saw the name Faq Quebec, and thought that that person was making a slur against that province. |
Now, with that said, what is anet gonna do to fix it. My suggestion is to hire 1 person to go over all the ban issues before they are allowed to become a ban. Read each issue and ensure it is correct before banning. Reason I say 1 person is this. If you ban good people for things they did not do, they leave. Your are left with the whinners. If we have a few bad apples hanging around, I can ignore them.
Question I have is if you didn't violate the EULA in any way, and enough people get banned that didn't, would that consitute a class action? Just curious. That has me much more worried then anything else as this would shut down GW in the end because of the cost associated with it.
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Originally Posted by Antheus
Or, have common sense and courtesy. You know, the way you hopefully behave in real life.
Anet's rules and reasons for bans are veeeery mild. It's not easy to get banned in GW. This is why, once they started enforcing bans (they haven't for first 2 years), some found themselves punished. Apart from bot related activites (sorry, playing non-stop for 18 hours for 5 days a week is not normal) and unusual trades, I have yet to see someone get mistakenly banned for making a mistake. The typos or polite responses are usually STFU NUB GO RED ENGINE YOURSELF. But hey, it happens. You mean to type: Hi!, and something like that comes out. It's happened to all of us. Right? |
As for being polite, I am in a guild that is Family Friendly. That means, no cursing, no harrassing, no jokes that are even a bit off color. I prefer to do it that way.
If someone bothers me, I just put them on ignore. It is my perogative.
What has happened here is the moral majority is infringing on the rest of the world. I am american. I just don't like where this is going.
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Originally Posted by Brianna
Think about it: 1) This is the internet, ''Sounds'' can make out words, Faq > Fack? > F*ck. I'm using ''You're all alone!".
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And why would "this being the internet" change the way words are audibly pronounced?
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gees big over statment, the name could be a mistake but the matter of people being offended is relevant.
The 600k trade, might just be a bit fishy.
More importantly GURU is not your personal advocate connection to Anet.
Tell your "friends" to contact support, and quick attempting to create a moral panic.. Banning bonanza, my butt. Two legit banning isn't excessive.
I don't believe your first case, well I should say I feel your neglecting to mention all the details.
The 600k trade, might just be a bit fishy.
More importantly GURU is not your personal advocate connection to Anet.
Tell your "friends" to contact support, and quick attempting to create a moral panic.. Banning bonanza, my butt. Two legit banning isn't excessive.
I don't believe your first case, well I should say I feel your neglecting to mention all the details.
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The rest is guild groups for HM and PvP, and PUGs for various dungeons, slavers, UW, FoW, ....
I have a rare commodity of common sense and etiquette.
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