Heres my idea for stopping retards with bots. Beat them to it. On the Anet store offer gold for sale. Have it a decent price, add a /money command that will kick in like /bonus (or what ever it was for asura minis) and then all the bots are out of luck. The ammount of time spent on bots and trying to sell them if they drop the prices (bots that is) wont be worth it anymore vs what anet achieves in the long run.
Now before you start trying to flame saying I want to buy money I never have and never will, esp from bots. But people will buy it and why not let Anet make the cash on it.
~the rat~
*This message brought to you by the Kill All Bots program
Ebay,Anet and the death to bots
legion_rat
Onarik Amrak
One word: Inflation.
Fail.
Fail.
Yichi
yes lets turn the game into who has the biggest credit card balance available.
/fail
/fail
Mike_version2
worst idea ever
inflation gogogogo
inflation gogogogo
fusion101
I can see where you are coming from legion_rat but as people have stated very blanky it would mess up the economy of the game because if you have real money you can buy anything, therefore ruining the feel of the game.
Tyla
yay a new bank :S
legion_rat
But its already this way, except the money is going to people with bots. There are people offering but your account now for the soul purpose of selling gold. I understand the arguement that it will make it possible for anyone to buy anything. But they can already do this. My idea isnt to ruin the game its to take the money away from the people ruining the game and put it to good use.
~the rat~
~the rat~
TheRaven
/not signed. No never No No No No!!!!!!!
Part of the enjoyment of the game is saving up for that nice mini-pet that I hope to one day be able to afford. I don't want the game turned into "who-ever has the biggest credit card gets the loot".
There is a reason that buying gold is illegal ingame.
Part of the enjoyment of the game is saving up for that nice mini-pet that I hope to one day be able to afford. I don't want the game turned into "who-ever has the biggest credit card gets the loot".
There is a reason that buying gold is illegal ingame.
MithranArkanere
Put gold for sale -> Decrease price of bots -> Increase number of bots to be competitive.
Fail.
Want to kill the bots? Make all items woth 0 until identified, and make identification possible only by something impossible for a bot.
Fail.
Want to kill the bots? Make all items woth 0 until identified, and make identification possible only by something impossible for a bot.
Phoenix Tears
Want decrease Bots ?
then erase heros/henchs out of this game..that will reduce botting only to solo farming spots first time ...
then nerf these spots..so that botting makes no sense there, because of non existant builds, that enable solo farming there anymore.
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or
give all items in GW fixed sell and buy prices at NPC's...this way all the inflated stuff in GW will decrease to normal prices. This way botting becomes senselss, because you won't be able late anymore, to sell your botted stuff for insane inflatious prices, because anypone can buy the stuff also at the npc... resulting also, that buying anything from players becomes sensless, unless they sell stuff for lesser money, then the Buy Price, when the price of that Seller is still a bit over the Sell Price of the NPC ...
Botters eliminated..strike the 2nd
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or keep furterh banning any bots, that gets found ..but that will nothing change, nor seems this to be a hard enough punishment, to prevent botting and this way will take ages, before players will end botting, unless anet gives the game system maybe a program or so, that can effectively detect accounts, which try to log on with a bot program and deny access to the game, so logn the bot programs are active running *if this is somehow possible*
imagine: A server, who recognizes by itself alone, when someone is botting and will log that botting accoutn automatically off and then gives this account so long no access to the game anymor,e until the bot program got closed.
Meanwhile, while that account got logged of, the system of the game will safe up the information of that account, inclusive IP Adress ect...
and now the clue ...
When this IP Adress appears on a Bot List then a certain times in, the accoutn will get then automatically banned.
A game, that cleans itself from botters XD that would be cool *g*, just by a iname program, that detects automatically, when an account logs in over any 3rd programs that are against the EULA
then erase heros/henchs out of this game..that will reduce botting only to solo farming spots first time ...
then nerf these spots..so that botting makes no sense there, because of non existant builds, that enable solo farming there anymore.
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or
give all items in GW fixed sell and buy prices at NPC's...this way all the inflated stuff in GW will decrease to normal prices. This way botting becomes senselss, because you won't be able late anymore, to sell your botted stuff for insane inflatious prices, because anypone can buy the stuff also at the npc... resulting also, that buying anything from players becomes sensless, unless they sell stuff for lesser money, then the Buy Price, when the price of that Seller is still a bit over the Sell Price of the NPC ...
Botters eliminated..strike the 2nd
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or keep furterh banning any bots, that gets found ..but that will nothing change, nor seems this to be a hard enough punishment, to prevent botting and this way will take ages, before players will end botting, unless anet gives the game system maybe a program or so, that can effectively detect accounts, which try to log on with a bot program and deny access to the game, so logn the bot programs are active running *if this is somehow possible*
imagine: A server, who recognizes by itself alone, when someone is botting and will log that botting accoutn automatically off and then gives this account so long no access to the game anymor,e until the bot program got closed.
Meanwhile, while that account got logged of, the system of the game will safe up the information of that account, inclusive IP Adress ect...
and now the clue ...
When this IP Adress appears on a Bot List then a certain times in, the accoutn will get then automatically banned.
A game, that cleans itself from botters XD that would be cool *g*, just by a iname program, that detects automatically, when an account logs in over any 3rd programs that are against the EULA
bilateralrope
If there is more gold flowing into the game than leaving via gold sinks then you have inflation. This causes prices to rise. The rise in prices drives more people to buy gold, causing even more inflation.
/unsigned
/unsigned
slaponte
There are some points I agree with legion rat : I think the problem exists now, and all Anet achieves is to hide it underground, deeper and deeper. I am convinced people (today) are sellign gold for $$$ and hiring pro players to level characters.
It seems similar to making booze illegal (we tried that in the USA), or saying that because drugs are illegal nobody does them.
So today we can BUY the skills to be unlocked. I just did for $24.95 (all of them). So my pockets just got my heroes what other players don't have. There. Game advantage for real money exists today, and ANet is selling it.
The in-game economy is out of control. Sentinel Insignia sells at the vendor for 2,200g, and right under it states "Value: 25".
And in this battle nobody is winning, the bot people will find a way, and the legal players keep getting the short end of the stick...
It seems similar to making booze illegal (we tried that in the USA), or saying that because drugs are illegal nobody does them.
So today we can BUY the skills to be unlocked. I just did for $24.95 (all of them). So my pockets just got my heroes what other players don't have. There. Game advantage for real money exists today, and ANet is selling it.
The in-game economy is out of control. Sentinel Insignia sells at the vendor for 2,200g, and right under it states "Value: 25".
And in this battle nobody is winning, the bot people will find a way, and the legal players keep getting the short end of the stick...
Elentari
/unsigned
you should uninstall this game and never touch another MMORPG in your life for suggesting something like that, because you obviously have no sense of understanding about gameworld economy.
you should uninstall this game and never touch another MMORPG in your life for suggesting something like that, because you obviously have no sense of understanding about gameworld economy.
warcrap
no way the money balance will be thrown off so hard so much people will quit if this happens horrible suggestions to the person who created this thread press alt and f4 at the same time.
makoto
/signed Having only about 2-5 hours a week for gaming and plenty of real life $$$ to waste, it does sound wonderful!
Make it 100k for 10$US, and I'll buy 2 millions of legal in-game gold
Make it 100k for 10$US, and I'll buy 2 millions of legal in-game gold
nebuchanezzar
Your idea has been brought up before. Whether people agree with it or not is more opinion based than anything. Arguments against it on the basis of inflation are kinda funny though. The inflation that they are screaming against has already happened. Many have used botted gold to fund themselves and arguments to the contrary are funny. Every online MMO has bots selling in-game currency. Removing them from Ebay didn't stop it at all, hardly slowed it down.
It's still not very likely to happen. The facts are scrutinized by what people think is "right". Some justify bots vs publisher gold sales with the logic that the bots are actually playing the game(ie a service) to get that gold legitimately so that means no inflation to them. The only way to have no inflation is to have a set static amount of circulation in play. This is an even bigger obstacle that I don't think is gonna happen either.
Sorry to rant and rave, whether your idea is logical or not is irrelevant, other preconceived ideals exist that preclude it.
It's still not very likely to happen. The facts are scrutinized by what people think is "right". Some justify bots vs publisher gold sales with the logic that the bots are actually playing the game(ie a service) to get that gold legitimately so that means no inflation to them. The only way to have no inflation is to have a set static amount of circulation in play. This is an even bigger obstacle that I don't think is gonna happen either.
Sorry to rant and rave, whether your idea is logical or not is irrelevant, other preconceived ideals exist that preclude it.
Exterminate all
Ok lets get this straight.
You want to stop the bots, by adding a buy money feature for the game. Yea, can't the bots just buy money off of the GW store or whatever. Bots farm, people pay for bots, doesn't this mean people will pay for golds and still have bots? This game, itself, is meant for people to play on their freetime. If you can buy gold off of it, some people will start doing this. Here will be a chat after it is implemented:
Kamadan American District 1 After the Implement
^^: Selling In game gold cheaper than the GW store: ^Random Website^
&&: Selling ectos 500k each
$$: Can I have money please?
%%: Buying ectos 510k each
**: I have all the money cause of the new store, it owns buying anything 500k
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As you can see, this is an example of what may happen in kamadan, or any town in the game after this feature is implemented. People can get money anyway, buy don't want to risk their accounts, with this in people will buy money not worrying about their accounts. EVERYONE will have money, prices will go up by tons, and people that don't buy gold with real life cash, will quit, merely based on the prices in game
Ectos: 500k
Rubies: 400k
Sapphires: 100k
500k in game is 20 dollars
1million in game is 35 dollars
ext.
can you see how people will feel if they don't buy money.
this game will turn into a rediciulous madhouse of people buying gold and selling gold on other websites, so people who don't waste their money on a game gold, will have to farm and waste "precious" hours so they will decide to quit the game and go to lets say....idk....some other game that doesn't have this.
Does anyone see my point?
You want to stop the bots, by adding a buy money feature for the game. Yea, can't the bots just buy money off of the GW store or whatever. Bots farm, people pay for bots, doesn't this mean people will pay for golds and still have bots? This game, itself, is meant for people to play on their freetime. If you can buy gold off of it, some people will start doing this. Here will be a chat after it is implemented:
Kamadan American District 1 After the Implement
^^: Selling In game gold cheaper than the GW store: ^Random Website^
&&: Selling ectos 500k each
$$: Can I have money please?
%%: Buying ectos 510k each
**: I have all the money cause of the new store, it owns buying anything 500k
::::
As you can see, this is an example of what may happen in kamadan, or any town in the game after this feature is implemented. People can get money anyway, buy don't want to risk their accounts, with this in people will buy money not worrying about their accounts. EVERYONE will have money, prices will go up by tons, and people that don't buy gold with real life cash, will quit, merely based on the prices in game
Ectos: 500k
Rubies: 400k
Sapphires: 100k
500k in game is 20 dollars
1million in game is 35 dollars
ext.
can you see how people will feel if they don't buy money.
this game will turn into a rediciulous madhouse of people buying gold and selling gold on other websites, so people who don't waste their money on a game gold, will have to farm and waste "precious" hours so they will decide to quit the game and go to lets say....idk....some other game that doesn't have this.
Does anyone see my point?
Nemo the Capitalist
worst idea ever u must be a socialist!!!!!
tryingto improve the lifes of the poor how dare u!
tryingto improve the lifes of the poor how dare u!
legion_rat
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worst idea ever u must be a socialist!!!!!
tryingto improve the lifes of the poor how dare u! |
As to Nemos socialist comment:
The only real reason socialism failed is because a currupt group of people ruined it. As the game sellers (program) and the merchants can not become currupt (ok maybe with a virus) they cant go, "well Freakedout Fish, you can have a salvage kit but it will be 10k for the love of Mother Tyria. "
I am not saying this is a great solution but it is one. The programming required to rework areas to make it hard on bots, or removing the heros is not as feasable as a gold dealer in anets store.
~the rat~
and remember Big Brother is watching you.
Lima
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Yeah wtf was I thinking. Ok the debate about inflation. How many people buy gold in this game already? a few hundred?How many bots are farming said gold taking up room on the servers? again a few hundred.[/B]
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You can't see me
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Originally Posted by legion_rat
Yeah wtf was I thinking. Ok the debate about inflation. How many people buy gold in this game already? a few hundred? How many bots are farming said gold taking up room on the servers? again a few hundred. So in certain areas lag is hellish because there is a few dozen bots aiming for signs and running out the door. which causes grief to those of us who want to play. Not only are these people/bots wrecking the economy by selling gold, or farming green items, or what ever. But they are also wasting space.
As to Nemos socialist comment: The only real reason socialism failed is because a currupt group of people ruined it. As the game sellers (program) and the merchants can not become currupt (ok maybe with a virus) they cant go, "well Freakedout Fish, you can have a salvage kit but it will be 10k for the love of Mother Tyria. " I am not saying this is a great solution but it is one. The programming required to rework areas to make it hard on bots, or removing the heros is not as feasable as a gold dealer in anets store. ~the rat~ and remember Big Brother is watching you. |
This idea can be answered with one simple question.
There are only a few hundred bots and gold buyers in any given time that are not banned that have the effect on the econamy. But consider, how many gold buyers would we have if it were LEGAL?
FAIL
AuraofMana
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yes lets turn the game into who has the biggest credit card balance available.
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gameshoes3003
/notsigned
ANET doesn't want to sell money like this, that's why they even bother to ban accounts that buy money from a 3rd party site.
ANET doesn't want to sell money like this, that's why they even bother to ban accounts that buy money from a 3rd party site.
Sergeant of Marines
/epicfail
Already said but the game would turn into to who has the biggest credit card balance available. And who would actually do such a stupid thing to be "cool" in a virtual game.
Already said but the game would turn into to who has the biggest credit card balance available. And who would actually do such a stupid thing to be "cool" in a virtual game.
wetsparks
luckystripe, you really should remove that picture of the monk burning himself. definitely not cool. to the topic, horrible, horrible, horrible idea. as much as i would like to see the price of stuff go up (so that i can make more money off of stuff) the extra money would be every bit as worthless because it couldn't buy you anything.
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pumpkin pie
the best way to prevent players from buying gold is not banning them, its deleting their characters, all their character including the armor >
no demand = no supply.
no demand = no supply.
legion_rat
would a mod please close this so retards cant post a ton of pics with no argument just insults?
Its funny to me how I failed at life but at least I cant attempt to make a point. I didnt insult anyone or post "funny" pictures. Your Rank in retard has gone up to "Drooler on noobs (10)" Ok maybe I just insulted people but since this isnt a debate its a I am so witty I used google for funny pictures thread I am ok with it.
~the rat~
Its funny to me how I failed at life but at least I cant attempt to make a point. I didnt insult anyone or post "funny" pictures. Your Rank in retard has gone up to "Drooler on noobs (10)" Ok maybe I just insulted people but since this isnt a debate its a I am so witty I used google for funny pictures thread I am ok with it.
~the rat~
slaponte
Wow. Vicious forums.
I am new to these forums but not new to forums or the game. I found this place some time ago and just "rediscovered" it. Right away I note this : it seems the site is moderated more liberally, allowing things other sites don't. But that also allows a vicious form of conversation.
As legion stated, I don't think he came out and insulted people. And it seems to me people could make all the points above without getting personal. It is his concept, most of us agree or disagree in some form. But even in the extreme there is no need to be vicious about it.
Right now an English teacher in Sudan is in jail for allowing the kids in her class to name a teddy bear "Mohamed", and the local Sudanese are asking for her death. As ridiculous as it might sound to us, this thread is close to the same.
Gold selling could be "legalized". And it would not mean the end of the world, or GW as we know it. Prices would go up, but so does the availability of gold. And you DON'T need the gold to play the game. You can get the armor you need, and all the stuff you need from drops and materials salvaged. So instead of 500K/ecto now is 2Mill/ecto. Guess what? I don't have a single one, and I have played for two years. "But you don't have a Ferrari!", I never wanted to have one in the first place.
You bring to the game the concept that having the most is the goal. No. It is a GAME. I like the mini pet because it is cute. I like my particular armor because I do. I like my Axe because I like the skin on it. Be it 100g, or 10Mill.
I only spent 75K on vanity armor one time. And I still think it was a waste.
If the moderators here are allowing more space for expression, we can just TRY to use it in a positive way, no?
I am new to these forums but not new to forums or the game. I found this place some time ago and just "rediscovered" it. Right away I note this : it seems the site is moderated more liberally, allowing things other sites don't. But that also allows a vicious form of conversation.
As legion stated, I don't think he came out and insulted people. And it seems to me people could make all the points above without getting personal. It is his concept, most of us agree or disagree in some form. But even in the extreme there is no need to be vicious about it.
Right now an English teacher in Sudan is in jail for allowing the kids in her class to name a teddy bear "Mohamed", and the local Sudanese are asking for her death. As ridiculous as it might sound to us, this thread is close to the same.
Gold selling could be "legalized". And it would not mean the end of the world, or GW as we know it. Prices would go up, but so does the availability of gold. And you DON'T need the gold to play the game. You can get the armor you need, and all the stuff you need from drops and materials salvaged. So instead of 500K/ecto now is 2Mill/ecto. Guess what? I don't have a single one, and I have played for two years. "But you don't have a Ferrari!", I never wanted to have one in the first place.
You bring to the game the concept that having the most is the goal. No. It is a GAME. I like the mini pet because it is cute. I like my particular armor because I do. I like my Axe because I like the skin on it. Be it 100g, or 10Mill.
I only spent 75K on vanity armor one time. And I still think it was a waste.
If the moderators here are allowing more space for expression, we can just TRY to use it in a positive way, no?
Solas
its like illigal drugs imo.
its happening all the time i agree, but if you legalize it and promote it then more people will use it so it jsut makes a bigger mess.
its happening all the time i agree, but if you legalize it and promote it then more people will use it so it jsut makes a bigger mess.
slaponte
Legalized drinking is not a bigger mess.
Legalized smoking is not a bigger mess. (Is bad for you, but thats another story)
Illegal things that are made legal can be better controlled. Illegal guns means only criminals have guns. Legal guns allow control.
But I know we are going to disagree in all those, so lets not go there.
Getting eBay and some web sites to not allow adds on selling gold DID NOT eliminate gold selling or bots. And I don't expect that it will. The only thing that will eliminate gold selling and bots is the availability of those things. Then, nobody has to buy from the "criminals".
Legalized smoking is not a bigger mess. (Is bad for you, but thats another story)
Illegal things that are made legal can be better controlled. Illegal guns means only criminals have guns. Legal guns allow control.
But I know we are going to disagree in all those, so lets not go there.
Getting eBay and some web sites to not allow adds on selling gold DID NOT eliminate gold selling or bots. And I don't expect that it will. The only thing that will eliminate gold selling and bots is the availability of those things. Then, nobody has to buy from the "criminals".
MithranArkanere
They will, if the thing is cheaper.
Will you buy a legal gun for 1000 or an ilegal one for 10?
ome will chose legal, but many others will choose cheap.
Will you buy a legal gun for 1000 or an ilegal one for 10?
ome will chose legal, but many others will choose cheap.
legion_rat
Thank you Slaponte. It amazes me the way well over half the people who disagreed with me never gave a real reason only that I am somehow a failure at life. To the people that actually debated and gave reasons. thank you.
To the others.....
~the rat~
To the others.....
~the rat~
Pyro maniac
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*something*
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/unsigned
It won't help, just more bots to produce gold
as for the people saying: it will turn in a game whoever has got the biggest CC
It already is, just not many people use the e-bay feature ..
I MP I
I support this idea. Those with bots and all virtual gold sellers funnel money to terrorists. Anet doesn't!
LOLZ Relax, I'm kidding. /notsigned for reasons everyone has already stated.
LOLZ Relax, I'm kidding. /notsigned for reasons everyone has already stated.
mastermaxx1
That won't take the money away from the bots. The bots will just decrease the price of their gold so that it's less than that of the ANet store. I think that this is a terrible idea. It will only take the fun out of the game because people can get what they want by buying it. Plus, the people with more money (in real life) will be able to buy more stuff than others.
/not signed
/not signed
Stockholm
NC-Soft does not want the Bots gone (A-net does), they keep buying new games and keep the statistics looking good.
Pyro maniac
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NC-Soft does not want the Bots gone (A-net does), they keep hacking games and keep the statistics looking good.
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Stockholm
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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac
fixed for you
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enmitee
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Originally Posted by legion_rat
Yeah wtf was I thinking. Ok the debate about inflation. How many people buy gold in this game already? a few hundred? How many bots are farming said gold taking up room on the servers? again a few hundred. So in certain areas lag is hellish because there is a few dozen bots aiming for signs and running out the door. which causes grief to those of us who want to play. Not only are these people/bots wrecking the economy by selling gold, or farming green items, or what ever. But they are also wasting space.
As to Nemos socialist comment: The only real reason socialism failed is because a currupt group of people ruined it. As the game sellers (program) and the merchants can not become currupt (ok maybe with a virus) they cant go, "well Freakedout Fish, you can have a salvage kit but it will be 10k for the love of Mother Tyria. " I am not saying this is a great solution but it is one. The programming required to rework areas to make it hard on bots, or removing the heros is not as feasable as a gold dealer in anets store. ~the rat~ and remember Big Brother is watching you. |
/FAIL
Pyro maniac
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They can NOT hack your game if you keep your "puter" clean and password safe. Most people that get "hacked" do it because they try to download bots or other cheats.
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