I was doing The Gates of Madness with my second monk.I got in a group showed them my bar they liked it after I saw the Necros bar with no res, crippling aungish with an SoC and a few other necro skills.The group cosisted of 1 Ele2 Necros2 or 3 Derv 1W/R and my self with Dunk.I thought this might not go so good when I saw the Necros bar and when we got into mission I saw the W/R had a pet.
It all stated to go bad as soon as we all decided to take on Shiro as the Dervs and Warrior were going down ad when they were they all started to tell me to res or Dunk.There was one who said don't use PoS on me res I refused and didn't let Dunk as he only had res chant and had to flagged out of harms way.In the end it didn't turn out all that well they all left and I got the blame for it all and in the mission outpost they all said LoD is a bad skill as I knew from what Ensign said it is still good for PvE.
I knew in way from the Necro having a Mesmer elite and the Warrior with pet that this wasn't going to go down well along with the FDS then 2 Dervs.
My skill bar was set up like this.
1LoD2,SoA3,PoS,4Dismiss Condition,5 RoF6, Remove hex7.Channeling8,Rebirth
I am not sure if channeling was a good choice but I still need to get the time of power drain down as I keep missing.
attributes off the top of my head are
10 for healing
11 in protection
10 in devine favour
6 or 9 in inspiration.
To top all this off one Assassin invited me looked at my bar and asked what rank is my guild I told him none of your business.He told me he was in a ranked 22 guild and charge 50k for an invite.What a story that was as I looked and it wasn't his tag.
It would seem that LoD is now a bad skill in PvE wat do you all think?This my worset bad pug exprience ever but as a leader of a guild I have no other choice and I am to impatient to use H/H.I was doing this before my moring alarm went off and was on my first cup off coffee.
LoD is a bad skill now in PvE
Age
Grammar
1. LoD is still a great skill in normal mode PvE.
2. LoD isn't what you should be using against Shiro anyway, pre or post nerf (you have other skills on your bar for that). So obviously, using Shiro as a test subject for LoD is a pretty poor way of judging LoD's worth.
3. It sounds like your PUG sucked pretty hard. In PUGs that bad, it really doesn't matter how good your build is, you're still going to struggle mightily regardless. It sounds like they weren't even set up to kill Shiro anyway, so you where in trouble before you even entered the mission.
That said, let's take a look at your build:
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Originally Posted by Age
2. LoD isn't what you should be using against Shiro anyway, pre or post nerf (you have other skills on your bar for that). So obviously, using Shiro as a test subject for LoD is a pretty poor way of judging LoD's worth.
3. It sounds like your PUG sucked pretty hard. In PUGs that bad, it really doesn't matter how good your build is, you're still going to struggle mightily regardless. It sounds like they weren't even set up to kill Shiro anyway, so you where in trouble before you even entered the mission.
That said, let's take a look at your build:
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1LoD2,SoA3,PoS,4Dismiss Condition,5 RoF6, Remove hex7.Channeling8,Rebirth
Pretty decent bar; skills 1-5 are great. Here are a few changes I would suggest:
- Cure Hex instead of Remove Hex
- Dwayna's Kiss instead of Channeling
- Aegis instead of Rebirth
- Give Dunk Rebirth (red barred) when in PUGs instead of Rez Chant
- Drop the attribute points from Inspiration; attributes should be something like 14 heal, 10 prot, 10 divine (if you use all minors)
Dwayna's Kiss gives you a large targeted heal, Cure Hex is like 2 skills in 1 (Kiss + Remove Hex), and Aegis (with a 20% enchantment set) is like a gift from the heavens in PUGs like the one you describe.
And yes, LoD is still a good skill in normal mode PvE. It's obviously not good in PvP anymore, and I like Healers Boon better for hard mode PvE, but LoD is still the way to go in normal mode PvE IMO. Word of Healing would still be a no in PvE, because Dwayna's Kiss fills that role.
One final thought....
PUGs in Nightfall have gotten shockingly bad since GWEN's release. It seems like everywhere you go, missions and towns are packed with really crappy Dervishes struggling to make it through the game.
From my experience, GWEN is the only place to find decent PUGs nowadays, because that's where most of the good players are at the moment.
- Cure Hex instead of Remove Hex
- Dwayna's Kiss instead of Channeling
- Aegis instead of Rebirth
- Give Dunk Rebirth (red barred) when in PUGs instead of Rez Chant
- Drop the attribute points from Inspiration; attributes should be something like 14 heal, 10 prot, 10 divine (if you use all minors)
Dwayna's Kiss gives you a large targeted heal, Cure Hex is like 2 skills in 1 (Kiss + Remove Hex), and Aegis (with a 20% enchantment set) is like a gift from the heavens in PUGs like the one you describe.
And yes, LoD is still a good skill in normal mode PvE. It's obviously not good in PvP anymore, and I like Healers Boon better for hard mode PvE, but LoD is still the way to go in normal mode PvE IMO. Word of Healing would still be a no in PvE, because Dwayna's Kiss fills that role.
One final thought....
PUGs in Nightfall have gotten shockingly bad since GWEN's release. It seems like everywhere you go, missions and towns are packed with really crappy Dervishes struggling to make it through the game.
From my experience, GWEN is the only place to find decent PUGs nowadays, because that's where most of the good players are at the moment.
Pyro maniac
your monk bar isn't that great
mesmer elite on necro is nice. Basically playing mesmer with soul reaping, why not ..
and what's the point of the other info provided?
mesmer elite on necro is nice. Basically playing mesmer with soul reaping, why not ..
and what's the point of the other info provided?
Sab
Can someone translate this into English?
Mark Nevermiss
So how much would LoD heal for with 10 attrib points in healing? 48 health, Woah amazing!
And just because someone said its great doesnt mean you should use it.
Although even if you had the best skill bar and were the best monk ever, its hard to save a bad group in a tight situation.
Monk != party is immune to harm or death/wipe
And just because someone said its great doesnt mean you should use it.
Although even if you had the best skill bar and were the best monk ever, its hard to save a bad group in a tight situation.
Monk != party is immune to harm or death/wipe
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Sab
Can someone translate this into English?
"Some mean people told me LoD was bad, but Ensign said it was good"
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bungusmaximus
heal party has always been a 2 sec cast, and people knew hot to time it right back then, so on humans, LoD should be fine. Heroes however dont know how to stay out of range of intrerrupters, which often blows a bit. wind riders gogogoooooo.
Grammar
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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus
heal party has always been a 2 sec cast, and people knew hot to time it right back then, so on humans, LoD should be fine. Heroes however dont know how to stay out of range of intrerrupters, which often blows a bit. wind riders gogogoooooo.
Yeah, I should have added the thing about heroes and LoD as well.
Never give a hero monk LoD unless you also give them Holy Haste. And never give them Holy Haste unless you are damn sure all the prot holes are filled by other members of your party, because a hero monk with LoD and Holy Haste will have zero prot outside of condition and hex removal.
Never give a hero monk LoD unless you also give them Holy Haste. And never give them Holy Haste unless you are damn sure all the prot holes are filled by other members of your party, because a hero monk with LoD and Holy Haste will have zero prot outside of condition and hex removal.
Ensign
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
"Some mean people told me LoD was bad, but Ensign said it was good"
For the sake of clarity, it certainly isn't good, but no Monk party healing is anymore.
arcady
I'll assume English is not your native language.
I'm not exactly sure why the Necro should have had a rez.
Monks will always get blamed by wammos, and vice versa. Who is right in any given situation is hard to say unless you're watching in observe mode.
If they actually were playing in a wammo style, then they would be to blame. Otherwise, who knows. Not me.
As to whether or not LoD is a good skill in PvE - that's up for debate. I didn't think it was all that great before the change. Its actually a better skill now, without the 80% barrier. The increased cast time hurts a lot in PvP, but less so in PvE unless you're facing a mesmer heavy area.
I'm not exactly sure why the Necro should have had a rez.
Monks will always get blamed by wammos, and vice versa. Who is right in any given situation is hard to say unless you're watching in observe mode.
If they actually were playing in a wammo style, then they would be to blame. Otherwise, who knows. Not me.
As to whether or not LoD is a good skill in PvE - that's up for debate. I didn't think it was all that great before the change. Its actually a better skill now, without the 80% barrier. The increased cast time hurts a lot in PvP, but less so in PvE unless you're facing a mesmer heavy area.
Antheus
- LoD + Holy Haste + 40/40 weapon set.
- various healing stuff, condition/hex removal
No other enchants. 14 heal, 13 divine
This is a nice straight heal version. It's not godly, and you won't save the party on your own, and it works well on heroes.
As a player, you can still run HB/HP.
If your entire party is taking huge damage - you're boned anyway. But if you need something to put all bars up from time to time, then this'll do just fine. Works best for party-wide degen, common in Gwen.
Mentioning NF it probably means your entire party gets hit with some heavy damage - there's nothing to be done about it, aside from bringing a paragon.
- various healing stuff, condition/hex removal
No other enchants. 14 heal, 13 divine
This is a nice straight heal version. It's not godly, and you won't save the party on your own, and it works well on heroes.
As a player, you can still run HB/HP.
If your entire party is taking huge damage - you're boned anyway. But if you need something to put all bars up from time to time, then this'll do just fine. Works best for party-wide degen, common in Gwen.
Mentioning NF it probably means your entire party gets hit with some heavy damage - there's nothing to be done about it, aside from bringing a paragon.
i Valinor
after the last change LoD will no longer be showing up on my bar. i think there are alot better elite choices now.
candyman_sb
I'm still using the old LoD+DKiss Hybrid and it works very well. WoH is redundant with DKiss and Heal party sucks. LoD FTW.
ender6
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Originally Posted by Age
... left and I got the blame for it all and in the mission outpost they all said LoD is a bad skill as I knew from what Ensign said it is still good for PvE.
And did you not tell them this????
ROFL
Come on Age, you gotta start assessing skills for yourself, not to mention builds, further, not to mention PUGs that you join.
PS If the point of your post wast to determine the merit of bringing LoD as your elite (in general), the short and skinny of it: there are better elites to bring, WoH,HB,RC. Not to mention that mission (in particular) really isn't known for pressure damage.
ROFL
Come on Age, you gotta start assessing skills for yourself, not to mention builds, further, not to mention PUGs that you join.
PS If the point of your post wast to determine the merit of bringing LoD as your elite (in general), the short and skinny of it: there are better elites to bring, WoH,HB,RC. Not to mention that mission (in particular) really isn't known for pressure damage.
Mr Pink57
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Originally Posted by Mark Nevermiss
So how much would LoD heal for with 10 attrib points in healing? 48 health, Woah amazing!
Thats 48 health x 8 people = 384 health for 5e
pink
pink
Jaigoda
If every one of your party is taking damage, something is very wrong... You'd be lucky to get 4 people, methinks.
Mr Pink57
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Originally Posted by Jaigoda
If every one of your party is taking damage, something is very wrong... You'd be lucky to get 4 people, methinks.
To name a few:
Environment Effects
Disease
Poison
Bleeding
As LoD has always been a pressure heal nothing more.
pink
Environment Effects
Disease
Poison
Bleeding
As LoD has always been a pressure heal nothing more.
pink
Jaigoda
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Originally Posted by Jaigoda
Arkantos
Wait a minute...are you trying to say LoD is a bad skill because your horrible pug failed?
Yichi
When LoD has the 1 second cast time, it was a good skill because it was one of the only few monk skills that allowed you to red bar party wide efficiently. LoD is a great partywide heal, but was too good at what it did, thus needing the nerf, which utterly Ether Renewaled LoD. Its a hard skill to balance because either youre going to make it too good in what it can do, or youre going to make it terrible.
Abedeus
LoD is IMO even better skill. 2 LoD monks can easily (in PvE, using Holy Haste) heal up whole team... Or one HH LoD and one protection monk, because Spirit Bond/Prot Spirit is useful in PvE.
If someone thinks it's bad (IN PVE, REMEMBER IT'S ABOUT PVE!), then he fails. LoD > WoH.
If someone thinks it's bad (IN PVE, REMEMBER IT'S ABOUT PVE!), then he fails. LoD > WoH.
Mr Pink57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaigoda
There, corrected. I've never seen mass bleeding,
and only mass poison in the Maguuma Jungle. Disease is extremely
rare to find, and even then it's usually hardly a threat (4 degen isn't
much). And again, environment effects are very uncommon, the only
one I can think of right now is miasma (which is a right pain when
you're a lower lever); of course, miasma's only on the pre island, which
is impossible to cap LoD on (without a Elite Tome). And anyway, if your
team is taking less and 50 health every 7 seconds, you probly don't
even need a monk. Ill name a few:
Entire kurz side filled with disease
Shards of Orr mass conditions
Temple of the Damned
Slavers - Forge
Burning Forest EOTN
DoA HM
Wurms hexes in frostmaw
Anything with Deep Freeze (Whiteout)
pink
and only mass poison in the Maguuma Jungle. Disease is extremely
rare to find, and even then it's usually hardly a threat (4 degen isn't
much). And again, environment effects are very uncommon, the only
one I can think of right now is miasma (which is a right pain when
you're a lower lever); of course, miasma's only on the pre island, which
is impossible to cap LoD on (without a Elite Tome). And anyway, if your
team is taking less and 50 health every 7 seconds, you probly don't
even need a monk. Ill name a few:
Entire kurz side filled with disease
Shards of Orr mass conditions
Temple of the Damned
Slavers - Forge
Burning Forest EOTN
DoA HM
Wurms hexes in frostmaw
Anything with Deep Freeze (Whiteout)
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Tyla
why not just go with Healer's Boon+Heal Party?
its a better heal than LoD used to be:P
least from what i've seen
their's still LoD+Holy Haste,however.
its a better heal than LoD used to be:P
least from what i've seen
their's still LoD+Holy Haste,however.
Ashe.
Moral of the story....DON'T PUG.
95% of pugs are terrible at this game, they don't understand the idea of following strategy and teamwork. They WILL run off, they WILL die, and they WILL blame it on you.
95% of pugs are terrible at this game, they don't understand the idea of following strategy and teamwork. They WILL run off, they WILL die, and they WILL blame it on you.
Divine Xan
Hmm normal mode.. err just run healers boon and out heal everything? Its only NM... Healer boon + prot monks works nicely in NM.
and in GoM no point using LoD... maybe thats why, prot beats that mission, spirit bond, protective spirit, shield of absorption.. probs best you run ZB tbh, works for me doing that mission.
Also yh.. dont pug or lead the pug yourself :P
and in GoM no point using LoD... maybe thats why, prot beats that mission, spirit bond, protective spirit, shield of absorption.. probs best you run ZB tbh, works for me doing that mission.
Also yh.. dont pug or lead the pug yourself :P
Kwan Xi
I think LoD is ok in PvE they kinda nerfed it but if you have Holy Haste on it shouldn't be too much of a problem, I like using it when I'm in a full group of eight and since they removed the below 80% health condition I find it more easier to spam it often
OS T
thats true Kwan,I think in 1way LOD is better now,as stated above you can heal 80hp below 80%.with holy haste and lod you can easly spam it,I would suggest bringing gole and hp too for emergency healing..so my conclusion..lod is still good skill,in fact...even better elite in my opinion.
Kwan Xi
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Originally Posted by Ashe.
Moral of the story....DON'T PUG.
95% of pugs are terrible at this game, they don't understand the idea of following strategy and teamwork. They WILL run off, they WILL die, and they WILL blame it on you. The Unfortunate side-effect of Heros
because you can now Hero/Hench the more experienced players do this rather then take the time to teach the newbies and noobs not to suck so much.
I wanted to PUG Eye of the North with my Monk and I can't find groups even forming anymore!!!!!
95% of pugs are terrible at this game, they don't understand the idea of following strategy and teamwork. They WILL run off, they WILL die, and they WILL blame it on you. The Unfortunate side-effect of Heros
because you can now Hero/Hench the more experienced players do this rather then take the time to teach the newbies and noobs not to suck so much.I wanted to PUG Eye of the North with my Monk and I can't find groups even forming anymore!!!!!
wetsparks
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Originally Posted by Age
It all stated to go bad as soon as we all decided to take on Shiro as the Dervs and Warrior were going down ad when they were they all started to tell me to res or Dunk.There was one who said don't use PoS on me res I refused and didn't let Dunk as he only had res chant and had to flagged out of harms way.In the end it didn't turn out all that well they all left and I got the blame for it all and in the mission outpost they all said LoD is a bad skill as I knew from what Ensign said it is still good for PvE.
I knew in way from the Necro having a Mesmer elite and the Warrior with pet that this wasn't going to go down well along with the FDS then 2 Dervs. I wanted to get back to the original post here. first off, gate of madness isn't a cake walk with a pug, and to try to monk a pug with that many mele (especially soft mele that are dervishes) is trouble waiting to happen. even though the necro's build sounds questionable, it was probably enough to get by in an above average group. what I'm saying is it sounds like your group was destined to fail. Personally I would have ran the moment I saw what the group was like, live to fight another day.
The warrior/ranger with a pet is not a big deal really. When I went through with my paragon I had a pet with me and did fine until our warrior over agroed. Couple skill changes later (pet out, chants in) and a few choice words to the warrior we got through.
arcady
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Originally Posted by Kwan Xi
I wanted to PUG Eye of the North with my Monk and I can't find groups even forming anymore!!!!!
Eye of the North is hard to PUG. Where do you go?
So many of the missions have oddball entry points and continue on over several zones that it is very hard to get a PUG going for them. That expansion is more anti-social to the GW community than Nightfall's introduction of heroes was.
Eye of the North is hard to PUG. Where do you go?So many of the missions have oddball entry points and continue on over several zones that it is very hard to get a PUG going for them. That expansion is more anti-social to the GW community than Nightfall's introduction of heroes was.
Age
I have given this much thought and it was on the the leaders part to lead the mission and I agree with wetsparks Gates of Madness is not cake walk.I was doing this on my second Monk on my second account as my main Monk beat it already last year or just after.I didn't even know if anyone was wearing Superior rune or not possibly maybe.
I saw the Warrior use endure pain possibly as a self heal with no Lions Comfort or healing sig.I did this easy with my Warrior and yes having 2 Derv is not good a Paragon would of been nice but I wasn't the leader this only goes to show the lack there of on their part.I beat and got all bonuses in the Fire Island missions even beat RoF 10 times as I was waiting for the boss to spawn with SoD.I lead the Hells Precipe(sp) mission and got bonus on that.
It cleary is me and not the skill LoD.you can use Holy Haste with Lod and works great but if you are casting other enchants it get canceled.It would seem to me that the better players are else where.These players weren't prepared for this mission.It is ok to have a pet but you don't need to bring charm animal with you being a Warrior best be W/Mo for mending touch and rebirth.What really got to me is when they blamed me instead of the leader who was an Ele and I didn't see them doing all that much damage.
The only reason I though LoD would be good is when walking around all the shrines to keep the party healed up.
To arcady yes English is my first language and it is is part of my background I have just been out of school longer.
I saw the Warrior use endure pain possibly as a self heal with no Lions Comfort or healing sig.I did this easy with my Warrior and yes having 2 Derv is not good a Paragon would of been nice but I wasn't the leader this only goes to show the lack there of on their part.I beat and got all bonuses in the Fire Island missions even beat RoF 10 times as I was waiting for the boss to spawn with SoD.I lead the Hells Precipe(sp) mission and got bonus on that.
It cleary is me and not the skill LoD.you can use Holy Haste with Lod and works great but if you are casting other enchants it get canceled.It would seem to me that the better players are else where.These players weren't prepared for this mission.It is ok to have a pet but you don't need to bring charm animal with you being a Warrior best be W/Mo for mending touch and rebirth.What really got to me is when they blamed me instead of the leader who was an Ele and I didn't see them doing all that much damage.
The only reason I though LoD would be good is when walking around all the shrines to keep the party healed up.
To arcady yes English is my first language and it is is part of my background I have just been out of school longer.
wetsparks
getting blamed is part of being a monk unfortunately, people think that monks are super powerful and that they can do whatever and the monk will cover them. just got to let it go, find a different group and know that no matter what they say, they still suck while you, hopefully, don't.
Age
Yeap they think we are Godlike.
enter_the_zone
Just a thought, don't PUG, at least in NM. Saying you are too impatient to hero/hench is ironic when not doing so means you have to redo missions multiple times. I got seriously disillusioned with PUGs when I started going for protector titles.
Recent relenting on this to help a guildy resulted in a PUG-necro asking "What is spinal shivers?". This PUG was for the Dragon's Lair bonus...
Recent relenting on this to help a guildy resulted in a PUG-necro asking "What is spinal shivers?". This PUG was for the Dragon's Lair bonus...
arcady
-Shrug-
I PUG NM all the time. My monk is 2 missions shy of protector (needs bonus on Gint and Dunes of Despair). I don't get all the anti-PUG feelings as I keep having positive PUG experiences. Sometimes PUGs are bad, but usually they are good.
Charm Animal note: You need to bring that skill if you want to bring your pet. The real question is whether or not you should be bringing your pet. I love having my pet on my ranger when I solo quests, and I have been getting pets for my ranger heroes - but are they really effective? Pets without a pet build are only mildly useful as tanks or dps - they get killed easily and don't do all that much damage. The do provide the benefit of doing that damage without you having to click anything, but would you DPS be higher if you put those two skill slots to something else?
As far as using LoD, I'd say it really comes down to a question of putting either:
LoD + some spike heal
WoH + Heal Party
In most zones the second option will be better. You will be doing most of your heals as anti-spiking against single victims, and won't need party wide relief all that often. LoD is only going to be more important than WoH in areas where you will face constant party wide pressure.
That's true of many parts of Istan, with the Skale Blighters - but you are not likely to have an elite at the level you will be there (but Putting LoD on Dunkoro makes sense there). It's rarer in late game areas, but in the zones where it happens it hits hard, so hard that you're going to need more than just LoD, you're going to need very spammable hex and condition removal.
I PUG NM all the time. My monk is 2 missions shy of protector (needs bonus on Gint and Dunes of Despair). I don't get all the anti-PUG feelings as I keep having positive PUG experiences. Sometimes PUGs are bad, but usually they are good.
Charm Animal note: You need to bring that skill if you want to bring your pet. The real question is whether or not you should be bringing your pet. I love having my pet on my ranger when I solo quests, and I have been getting pets for my ranger heroes - but are they really effective? Pets without a pet build are only mildly useful as tanks or dps - they get killed easily and don't do all that much damage. The do provide the benefit of doing that damage without you having to click anything, but would you DPS be higher if you put those two skill slots to something else?
As far as using LoD, I'd say it really comes down to a question of putting either:
LoD + some spike heal
WoH + Heal Party
In most zones the second option will be better. You will be doing most of your heals as anti-spiking against single victims, and won't need party wide relief all that often. LoD is only going to be more important than WoH in areas where you will face constant party wide pressure.
That's true of many parts of Istan, with the Skale Blighters - but you are not likely to have an elite at the level you will be there (but Putting LoD on Dunkoro makes sense there). It's rarer in late game areas, but in the zones where it happens it hits hard, so hard that you're going to need more than just LoD, you're going to need very spammable hex and condition removal.
Age
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Just a thought, don't PUG, at least in NM. Saying you are too impatient to hero/hench is ironic when not doing so means you have to redo missions multiple times. I got seriously disillusioned with PUGs when I started going for protector titles.
Recent relenting on this to help a guildy resulted in a PUG-necro asking "What is spinal shivers?". This PUG was for the Dragon's Lair bonus... Yes I know what you mean but I like to think of the game as still being a cooperative game and in a PuG I am not talking to myself like I do on quests as strange as it sounds.
I did have another bad one this morning on my Necro Thank Goodness at the thirst time of The Gate of Pain mission there was a D/Mo 130 farming build that came with us he did tell us this untill in mission although a Derv was leading the group.thank goodness the Ele switched from E/Mes to /Mo for rebirth.I am beginning to despise Dervs although I have one myself.
I meant comfort animal not just charm
Recent relenting on this to help a guildy resulted in a PUG-necro asking "What is spinal shivers?". This PUG was for the Dragon's Lair bonus... Yes I know what you mean but I like to think of the game as still being a cooperative game and in a PuG I am not talking to myself like I do on quests as strange as it sounds.
I did have another bad one this morning on my Necro Thank Goodness at the thirst time of The Gate of Pain mission there was a D/Mo 130 farming build that came with us he did tell us this untill in mission although a Derv was leading the group.thank goodness the Ele switched from E/Mes to /Mo for rebirth.I am beginning to despise Dervs although I have one myself.
I meant comfort animal not just charm
Grammar
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Originally Posted by arcady
LoD + Dwayna's Kiss
WoH + Heal Party
In most zones the second option will be better.
As for your conclusion as to which is better, I completely disagree, assuming we're talking about NM PvE.
The upgrade from Kiss to WoH isn't nearly as great as the upgrade from Heal Party to LoD.
The extra 10e cost of Heal Party is simply unacceptable, So unacceptable, in fact, that it forces you use a second skill slot to bring Glyph of Lesser Energy to make it acceptable roughly 20% of the time (the other 80% of the time it's still unacceptible).
So for 2 skill slots you get a party heal with an energy cost that is acceptable 20% of the time.
With LoD you get a party heal with an energy cost is acceptable 100% of the time using only 1 skill slot.
The upgrade from Heal Party to LoD is simply jaw dropping.
The only way to make Heal Party a decent spell is if you sell out your bar to run Healers Boon. Well, I guess not completely sell out, you'll have a whole one slot left for Prot Spirit (yippee). As such, it's rarely a good idea save for well-constructed HM groups.
Now lets look at Kiss and WoH:
They both cost the same energy, have the same recast, and are both targeted heals that heal for a significant amount.
There are only 2 advantages to WoH:
1. WoH is self-castable
2. WoH heals for a much larger amount if the target is under 50% health.
-The first advantage isn't that big of a deal because you already have things like RoF, Dismiss, Cure Hex, SoA, etc. on your bar that are self-castable anyway. That right there (not to mention things like kiting and the second monk) should be plenty to save you should you ever find yourself taking heavy damage.
-The second advantage will, at best, occasionally save you 5e in certain situations where you can cast 1 WoH instead of 2 other spells such as RoF+Kiss. At worst, the second advantage is a complete waste because there are TWO monks in the party. If a party member is sitting at 20% health, I doubt that second monk is just going to sit there and not cast anything on him. So if the second monk casts a Kiss of his own on that target, whats the difference if you cast a Kiss or a WoH on that target? Either way, the target gets two large heals and is saved, and each monk only spent 5e.
The only use I see for WoH is on an Infuser, where the self-castability and heal size actually matter.
Rexion
Age... whatever age you are, that sums it up mostly.
Your thesis can be correct, but you have to back it up with good information. Saying you used it in a PUG is not going to back you up. PUGs usually consist of the arrogant and inexperienced, pre-pubescent 11-13 year olds. So you are at about a 75% chance of dying in a PUG.
Secondly, your typing turns us off. I don't want to read "sumthing thati s lazly tiped n thught 2 b spelle dcorrectly". So I feel the need to go through your whole post and fix it just for the hell and fun of it.
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Originally Posted by Age
Your thesis can be correct, but you have to back it up with good information. Saying you used it in a PUG is not going to back you up. PUGs usually consist of the arrogant and inexperienced, pre-pubescent 11-13 year olds. So you are at about a 75% chance of dying in a PUG.
Secondly, your typing turns us off. I don't want to read "sumthing thati s lazly tiped n thught 2 b spelle dcorrectly". So I feel the need to go through your whole post and fix it just for the hell and fun of it.
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It all stated to go bad when we all decided to take on Shiro. As the Dervs and Warrior were going down and when they were they all started to tell me to res or Dunk. There was one who said don't use PoS on me res (no idea what your point is here). I refused and didn't let Dunk as he only had res chant and had to flagged out of harms way. In the end it didn't turn out all that well. They all left and I got the blame for the problems. in the mission outpost they all said LoD is a bad skill even though I knew from what Ensign said it is still good for PvE.
I knew in way from the Necro having a Mesmer elite and the Warrior with a pet that this wasn't going to go down well along with the FDS then 2 Dervs.
My skill bar was set up like this:
1. LoD {E}
2. SoA
3. PoS
4. Dismiss Condition
5. RoF
6. Remove hex
7. Channeling
8. Rebirth
I am not sure if channeling was a good choice, but I still need to get the time of power drain down as I keep missing.
attributes, off the top of my head, are
10 for healing
11 in protection
10 in divine favour
6 or 9 in inspiration.
To top all this off, one Assassin invited me. He looked at my skill bar and asked what rank my guild was. I told him. "None of your business." He told me he was in a rank 22 guild and charges 50k for an invite. What a story that was as I looked and it wasn't his tag (I don't understand you point here. This story is completely random).
It would seem that LoD is, now, a bad skill in PvE. What do you all think? This was my worst bad-pug experience ever. as a leader of a guild I have no other choice, and I am too impatient to use H/H. I was doing this before my moring alarm went off and was on my first cup off coffee. After going through your whole post, editing everything that should be. I bolded what was corrected.
In your post I:
- added periods at the end of sentences.
- fixed a lot of sentences.
- fixed some grammatical mistakes.
- added letters if necessary.
- fixed spelling.
I hope people of Guru can actually read your post now
boarderx
if you wanan run LoD you have to do it a certain way now (imo). Use [skill]holy haste[/skill] and dont use other enchants, leave those to the prot monk and equp more straight heals, a hex remover, condition remover and your good to go
but you basically need to max out healing to make it really worth it so you dont get as much versitility
but you basically need to max out healing to make it really worth it so you dont get as much versitility
Age
To Rexion when you get to my age and post at work with no spell checker and I am old enough to be a Parent of one of those go in pugs.I am multitasking as well when posting these.I saw Neil Armstrong walk on the Moon in 1969.