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freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

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06 Dec 2007 at 10:04 - 41

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Originally Posted by MegaPsycho

*Equips fire-retardant shield of fortitude*

Simple. Wasnt the whole bloody concept of this game supposed to be about your level of skill, not how much ******* time you spend playing?

Is anyone forcing you to earn titles like LDOA? Nope! So dont earn it if you dont want it, dont spend ages doing it if it doesnt apeal.

But the point about why a BMP title would be pointless is as you say; it only took you 3 days to complete. That would be adding a title which can be very easily maxed out within 3 days (most people less I expect). Why do we need that?

I'm all for adding a statue to the HOM, but we dont need a pointless new title that means nothing and can be completed with absolutely no effort at all. We already have too many of them already.

MegaPsycho

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

06 Dec 2007 at 16:16 - 42

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but we dont need a pointless new title that means nothing and can be completed with absolutely no effort at all. We already have too many of them already.

Ugh, methinks your missing the point. And I would love to hear your definition of effort.

No, BMP didnt take very long, but compared to titles such as Protector and even Guardian, the difficulty was a bit higher, especially clearing the whole map on Saul's story with 60 armor. Also on BMP, you were solo, you cant be run or have someone do it for you, fixed bars, and consumables cant be used unless you use the glitch, and even then it didnt affect your energy or health.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

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06 Dec 2007 at 18:51 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaPsycho

Ugh, methinks your missing the point. And I would love to hear your definition of effort.

No, BMP didnt take very long, but compared to titles such as Protector and even Guardian, the difficulty was a bit higher, especially clearing the whole map on Saul's story with 60 armor. Also on BMP, you were solo, you cant be run or have someone do it for you, fixed bars, and consumables cant be used unless you use the glitch, and even then it didnt affect your energy or health.

And you seem to be completely dodging the fact it would be an extremely easy title to max out. Why do we it?

Give me a reason why we need a title for the BMP! Is getting an exclusive weapon not enough for you? Is getting to play Lure that others cant not enough for you?

Your getting alot already from the BMP that some arent, why do yo want a title?

Randvek

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Rise From the Ashes [phnx]

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06 Dec 2007 at 19:52 - 44

I like the idea of a title for BMP. Instead of historian, though, it should be called Blast from the Past (1), haha.

TurtleTurtle

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Turtle Island

The Turtle Club [HONU]

Rt/

06 Dec 2007 at 20:02 - 45

/signed for statue/monument/plaque/diploma (or better yet: unlocked bonus item ^^)
/notsigned for title

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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06 Dec 2007 at 22:05 - 46

Actually I found sauls camp clearing and togo keeping talon alive quite difficult, but with 30 minutes to complete all 12 discoveries seem like a gross understatement. Think probably 2-4 hours would be more accurate. I've gotten vanquisher, guardian, and have my HoM with all the elite mission statues, and i think the difficulty is similar to protector title but require less time. Where the skill>time folks at this time:P
Plus i didnt' think about that it being solo, it can't be ran by a runner, so you have to do the work ourself. Also preset skill bar, makes it so you have to use what ur given, not a gimmick or imba skill, for example ursan blessing.
It be nice to add more content like this.
And guess what, not all title are available to all players, if u dont own faction, u can't get savior of the..., if you don't have nightfall u can't get lightbringer. People made the choice for a Box version of GW:en vs BMP, they shouldn't complain now that they made the wrong choice.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

06 Dec 2007 at 22:07 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

And guess what, not all title are available to all players, if u dont own faction, u can't get savior of the..., if you don't have nightfall u can't get lightbringer. People made the choice for a Box version of GW:en vs BMP, they shouldn't complain now that they made the wrong choice.

but you cant even BUY the bmp no more...
campaigns+expansions can be bought - see the difference?

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

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06 Dec 2007 at 22:26 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

People made the choice for a Box version of GW:en vs BMP, they shouldn't complain now that they made the wrong choice.

You think it was a nice casual choice?

Pay £17.99 on play.com or £29.99 on anets online store! Not much of a choice for people who have little funds! Thats alot more to pay just to get the BMP for (as Anet stated it) "free"!

£17.99 for a boxed version you can see and hold and put along side the other boxed versions you own, or £29.99 to just download it and have nothing tantiable!

The BMP is meant to be free when paying £17.99, yet Anet expected us to pay an extra £12 above more competitive prices. So in essence we were expected to pay £12 for the BMP. Sorry but I'm not paying £12 for 4 missions and a few new weapons. At the most its worth around £5 due to the lack of new content it adds.

There was nothing else I wanted for £17.99 from the online store to cover the "free" option. My only choice would have been GWEN at too high a cost!

Anet promoted this completely wrong, because they have now annoyed a % of their market and alientated those who dont like to buy things online and those who didnt want to pay alot more for a game they could get cheaper elsewhere.

They should have offered it free after paying £17.99 and offered it for a stand alone price of around £5-6. That ways people arent being forced to buy other products they might want to buy elsewhere, just to get access to another product.

You dont force people to buy one item to get access to other products. Its not a good marketing scheme and its evident by the number of annoyed GW players.

Divinity Sword

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

Washington

Dragons of the Rose

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06 Dec 2007 at 22:31 - 49

/signed

With GW2 on the way I need as many titles to put in my HoM as possible. It's not just cool it's almost necessary. Plus "Historian" title sounds so appealing

.

As for the "Extremely easy title to max out" just apply HM to the BMP. That should make it a little bit tough xD.

Better yet, have this title ONLY apply to HoM and not "People know me" or whatever your after.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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07 Dec 2007 at 00:26 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I'm all for adding a statue to the HOM, but we dont need a pointless new title that means nothing and can be completed with absolutely no effort at all. We already have too many of them already.

How do u know that is takes no effort, you don't have the BMP by your own admission?
I understand arguing that they shouldn't be one because of the lack of access for all players, but arguing that is take no effort when you didn't even play it is talking out your butt.
I wonder how many objection are from people without the BMP honestly. Childish really, pissed they didn't get something because of their choices, so they don't want anyone to have it.

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

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07 Dec 2007 at 00:32 - 51

I wouldn't be against it, as long as you had to do some kind of hard mode + get all 3 bonuses at once or something.

But I'm pretty sure Anet won't continue to add to the BMP, since its much more time-effective to add to a campaign that more people will own and be able to play. Not to mention everything they add to the BMP is 1 more thing people without the BMP will bitch about.

As far as titles needing to have a degree of difficulty... I can get 13 titles using nothing in my skill bar but signets of capture, using henchies and c-spacing.

Nightmare_Pwner

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

Anime FTW

GUIlD [AMp]

W/Mo

07 Dec 2007 at 01:14 - 52

Titles are stuipd worthless lawl dumbest idea iv ever heard. Now for the Statue that would be a good Idea. And Second you could make it not count towards GWAMM problem solved! But who really cares if it did or not. If I ever saw someone in RL who had God walking amongest mere mortals id kick him in the balls and say get a life.

T. Drake

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

R/Me

07 Dec 2007 at 01:32 - 53

Would this make sense at all?

You play as Turai Ossa etc. in the BMP missions, not your character.

So why should they get a title?

Personally: /idon'tcare

Cargan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Scotland

[ESP]

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07 Dec 2007 at 01:41 - 54

Until everyone is able to get it through some means or another I don't think there should be any other bonus attached to the BMP other than all the free BMP weapons you get, which is more than anyone really expected to start with. I'm more than happy with the source of free weapons.

Having a statue similar to that of DoA, UW, FoW & SF would only be fair if the BMP was available to everyone. You have to remember that statues in the HoM are supposedly going to equate to another bonus in GW2. Restricting that bonus to only people who got the BMP is going to put half the GW population off getting GW2 because already before it starts they're never able to get something that others have.

It makes very bad business sense to allow that. Not going to happen unless the BMP is available to everyone one way or another.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

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07 Dec 2007 at 02:29 - 55

Wayyyyy too easy to max this title.

Statue in HoM, sure. Title? Nah.

Personally I'd like a tangible reward for getting all discoveries on the character...more than just more books for characters that can do the books themselves. No idea what this reward would be...maybe an everlasting tonic for the form of one of the four heroes you play as?

MegaPsycho

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

07 Dec 2007 at 02:38 - 56

Ugh, still, I want a reward other than weapons that cant be put in HoM. I mean seriously, me and my heroes have all the greens Ill ever need for any build, what in hell is the point of these weapons? None of the Paragon or Caster weapons impressed me save for the Necro Undead staff, but even then.....

So basically, I got a staff skin that actually looks *decent* and 32 plat. Whoop-die-doo. I feel cheated, badly.

Cargan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Scotland

[ESP]

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07 Dec 2007 at 02:46 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaPsycho

Ugh, still, I want a reward other than weapons that cant be put in HoM. I mean seriously, me and my heroes have all the greens Ill ever need for any build, what in hell is the point of these weapons? None of the Paragon or Caster weapons impressed me save for the Necro Undead staff, but even then.....

So basically, I got a staff skin that actually looks *decent* and 32 plat. Whoop-die-doo. I feel cheated, badly.

Cheated? Never got your money's worth from this FREE BONUS mission pack?

You got 32 plat for free and you're complaining? How about taking the 32 plat and saying "thank you very much for the generosity Anet"?

so ungrateful.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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12 Jan 2008 at 20:24 - 58

Well the BMP is now goin to be sold in stores. The issue of it not being available to everyone is out the window. Now I think it should be that if a title track should be part of it seeing how it worth now is $10. GW:EN cost $40 and came with 5 title tracks. I think to give the BMP more bang for it buck, it needs a title track now, otherwize it just 4 missions with 3 bonuses each, and a whole lot of weapon skins.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

12 Jan 2008 at 20:25 - 59

no.
/notsigned again

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

12 Jan 2008 at 22:48 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

I enjoy the BMP, but what really is the point of dsicovery mode? I think it would be nice to make a title track for the Discoveries. Honestly the extra books when books are unlimited is not a reward IMO. So in addition to the new skin, that look better than the GWEN skins, I think there should be a title or a statue at least.
Of course people will say that this isn't fair to those who didn't get the bonus, well guess what, TITLES ARE NOT FAIR. Look at survivor or LDoA.

what a dumb reason... to say the truth.. all you want is just only some more "free" titles.. to raise easier in KoaBD up ...

not signed under these points

under an other concept maybe signed

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

12 Jan 2008 at 22:55 - 61

A statue in HoM, at least, should be attainable. I also wouldn't mind a BMP sort of title if we had to do them in HM after we complete them in NM.

But there's a lot of other titles that would be more fair and reasonable for everyone, like the questing or fireworks titles.

serod

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

R/

12 Jan 2008 at 22:56 - 62

/not signed

KoaBD is already too common among this days, a new easy title would make it even easier to get

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

12 Jan 2008 at 23:07 - 63

NO, not because your idea is bad.

The problem is that GW already has too many silly titles for every silly everything... we do not need one more. It also conflicts a bit with the KOABD progression, it is highly unlikely they consider adding one or two more titles.

Solus Spartan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

Australia

[Lawl]

Mo/

13 Jan 2008 at 09:20 - 64

No more titles please.

Exclusive Titles are even worse.

/Notsigned

Jaythen Tyradel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

13 Jan 2008 at 13:55 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solus Spartan

No more titles please.

Exclusive Titles are even worse.

/Notsigned

Considering that the BMP will now be sold and made available for more people to play the BMP, having an exclusive title for it is now kinda moot.
Sill, /not signed. Not seeing a need for a new title from the BMP.

Alicendre

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

13 Jan 2008 at 14:13 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaythen Tyradel

Not seeing a need for a new title from the BMP.

Making it useful maybe ? The BMP is nice for a few days, then you stop playing it.

If it is really sold then I'll /sign...

Proff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2007

13 Jan 2008 at 14:16 - 67

/not signed

It's a bonus, not really part of the game, and you're not even doing it on your character you're doing it on a premade character with a premade skill bar. Meaning anyone that can read a wiki can do the bmp np on their first try, and it would instantly become the easiest title to max in the game.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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13 Jan 2008 at 14:19 - 68

Since the BMP goes 'for all', at least an statue would be nice.
So you can note in your HoM that you made them all, with discoveries.

Jaythen Tyradel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

13 Jan 2008 at 14:49 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Since the BMP goes 'for all', at least an statue would be nice.
So you can note in your HoM that you made them all, with discoveries.

This idea I will /sign.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

13 Jan 2008 at 18:48 - 70

I remember when KoaBD used to be difficult to get.

Ah, those were the days.

The last thing we need is an easy way to buy a max title.

Sora267

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

13 Jan 2008 at 19:00 - 71

I would have /notsigned before, but now since others have the chance to get it since its on sale, /signed.

Just have the title not count towards favor and KoaBD...

Also, an HoM statue would be nice.

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

13 Jan 2008 at 21:38 - 72

maybe sign this only, when they combine this together with somethign else we want, since EotN is out ...

Book Shelfs !!!

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

13 Jan 2008 at 21:58 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by iriyabran

so you want an easy maxed title for God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals

Yep! Why not!

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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14 Jan 2008 at 18:40 - 74

Just a question, how many people have done all 12 discovers already. From my personal experience, I'm the only one i know of whom has done them in my alliance (400+ people). Unfortunately 2k isn't really much of a bonus for doing the discoveries. It would be nice to have a statue + a note on the Honor Statue for the effect that is evolved. Possibly this be the note:

Delving deep in dusty tomes, <character name> has
discovered the hidden truths in the stories of Turai Oso,
Gwen, Saul, and Master Togo. The historian, Durand,
was gracious for such studious work.

Mostly i suggested a title because i like them:P. I would at least want a statue.