Do Paragons Make You Feel Dirty?

wazz

wazz

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

WML, MELL, RUNI

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
ask [SMS] :P You mean that because 1 guild/allaince knows how to use paragons, everyone should be nerfed ?

It shouldn't be nerfed for that reason, I'm pretty sure that with a decent buildsetup you could do high-end pve with an all out [insert proffesion here] team.

People who like pve skills aren't noobs, worthless in pve etc etc.
No, they are just people who don't have an entire guild, allaince and friendlist who can help em out nor the money to get all there heros fully runed up nor each skill in the entire game unlocked.

For the ones who disagree, try joining a less 'elite' guild for a week or 2.

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by wazz
People who like pve skills aren't noobs, worthless in pve etc etc.
No, they are just people who don't have an entire guild, allaince and friendlist who can help em out nor the money to get all there heros fully runed up nor each skill in the entire game unlocked.

For the ones who disagree, try joining a less 'elite' guild for a week or 2.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
Hey guys, the game is meant to reward skill.

If you're bad, you shouldn't be able to complete every area of the game.

This is called creating a reason to improve, and justifying skill over time. Guild Wars is pretty boring when you can win without caring.

wazz

wazz

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

WML, MELL, RUNI

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YhI know I repeat myself alot...

But since when does not having unlocked all skills fall under being bad ?
Or since when does having a guild/allaince able to help you at fall under rewarding skill ?
etc etc

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

You don't need every skill unlocked, each profession has a small number of skills that are actually good. Knowing which skills are good is part of understanding the game, and keeps you from making really bad builds. Having the useful class skills unlocked, in PvE, is unfortunately a grind in the game that is necessary to be 'skilled', but you should have the ability to do it after playing through the standard content.

Your connections are as valuable as your skill. That said, even if you have a 'less elite' guild, you can work to become better. Or you can try to develop a friends list - the same process new HA players often have to go through.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
You don't need every skill unlocked, each profession has a small number of skills that are actually good. QFT.
Need more viable skills.

Terraban

Terraban

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by tyla salanari
QFT.
Need more viable skills. [skill]Ether Renewal[/skill]
Come on dude...nuff said

angmar_nite

angmar_nite

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

[SNOW] of [YUM]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by wazz
You mean that because 1 guild/allaince knows how to use paragons, everyone should be nerfed? 2. Or try every elite pve guild. Full alliance group took down gate of madness in 25 minutes flat. Deeped in a little over an hour. SNOW, TAM, ARA, Eotl, agro, and others in my alliance, but I know of LaZY accomplishing similar feats.

Icey

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

They SERIOUSLY need to change some armor sets to include pants for male paragons. I don't like the skirts on males.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Icey
They SERIOUSLY need to change some armor sets to include pants for male paragons. I don't like the skirts on males. Then use a Female Paragon?

This is the second thread you said that in

On topic: Yup, they are my second favourite profession, next to ranger! And they make me feel dirty because they own SO much!

zling

zling

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage
You already said it but bonders have many weaknesses. Enchantments can be stripped. The bonder can be interupts, dazed, knocked down etc etc Paragons shouts can't be removed, and the paragon is attacking adding dps as well as reduction. those are correct only if the Bonder is totaly clueless...
playing a Bonder is 1 of the most boring builds to play, along with Orders Necro, BiP Necro and maybe some others.
a good Bonder stays way out of aggro range, just in range for the bonds not to cancel. thus completely invading combat.
so the only thing that will actually work is enchantment stripping, but than both Life Bond and Life Barrier dont have such massive recharge times, and everyone will have enough enchantments on them anyway. 2 from the Bonder more from the other Monk(s), some from themselves(like Dervishes, Sins, mending whammos etc) so unless you run into a necro mob all with Chilblains or tons of sins with Shattering Assault enchantment stripping shouldnt be such an issue...

as for the Paragorn. it is very overpowered in PvE if you use the standard:
Focused Anger
TnTF
SY
AR
but than who is forcing you to play that? there are enough other working paragorn builds out there... dont force yourself into this 1 greatly overpowered build...

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

AH! I can't believe I created the "Godmode" build! =*(

Now everyone is using it....

Kaida the Heartless

Kaida the Heartless

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

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I've been debating on rather or not I want to invest my time into a Paragon. I like the idea of being able to provide epic defense to my group but I'm afraid that when I finally devote my time and money into that character, the build is going to get nerfed.

:/

angmar_nite

angmar_nite

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

[SNOW] of [YUM]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage
AH! I can't believe I created the "Godmode" build! =*(

Now everyone is using it.... PRETTY SURE you didn't...

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage
AH! I can't believe I created the "Godmode" build! =*(

Now everyone is using it.... Who the hell are you? There is no proof you created imbagons. You could try to say that you created Sabway ;o Easier lie.

Oh, and sometimes I feel like cheating when using SY. I mean, my party gets attacked by 3 meteor showers and except for getting knocked down few times, 5-20 dmg tops.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Meh, Paragons are still stupid powerful. Even without PvE skills.

Armond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

California

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless
I've been debating on rather or not I want to invest my time into a Paragon. I like the idea of being able to provide epic defense to my group but I'm afraid that when I finally devote my time and money into that character, the build is going to get nerfed.

:/ This is ANet we're talking about, though. TNTF took a very small hit back in the day, when anyone could have clearly seen that it was still stupid powerful. SY's never been touched, and the build's been known for forever.

If they've still not done anything to ursans, they're not going to do anything to imbagons.

kostolomac

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

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It's just ONE damn build , and some people want to nerf an already nerfed to hell proffession. If someone doesn't like imbagons , don't play them , just like ursan. There are many overpowered builds and skills in the game besides the imbagon.

ScythXIII

ScythXIII

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

Newest Era of Twilight

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by kostolomac
It's just ONE damn build , and some people want to nerf an already nerfed to hell proffession. If someone doesn't like imbagons , don't play them , just like ursan. There are many overpowered builds and skills in the game besides the imbagon. I'll trade a nerf to Imbagons if they buff Motivation... <_<

*Sneaks away before being killed*

Armond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

California

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by kostolomac
It's just ONE damn build , and some people want to nerf an already nerfed to hell proffession. If someone doesn't like imbagons , don't play them , just like ursan. There are many overpowered builds and skills in the game besides the imbagon. Sounds a lot like ritspike. Or SoGM bug-way. Or pre-nerf thumpway. Or...

There's a concept here that I don't think you get. Just because something's nerfed doesn't make it bad.

Fishmonger

Fishmonger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScythXIII
I'll trade a nerf to Imbagons if they buff Motivation... <_<

*Sneaks away before being killed* QFT. Command is fairly decent (albeit [skill]"Incoming!"[/skill], but motivation has been the target of so many pvp based nerfs it's sad. I mean, let's take for instance the most recent nerf. [skill]Song Of Restoration[/skill] and [skill]Ballad Of Restoration[/skill] why even bother taking these on a 30s CD?

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abedeus
Who the hell are you? There is no proof you created imbagons. You could try to say that you created Sabway ;o Easier lie.

Oh, and sometimes I feel like cheating when using SY. I mean, my party gets attacked by 3 meteor showers and except for getting knocked down few times, 5-20 dmg tops. Who am I ? TOXAGE!

Time to type out the credentials, I feel like I am on an interview.

-Creater of Imbagon build
-Helped pioneer Iway
-Helped pioneer Blood Spike
-World's greatest survivor
-HOH's longest holding team member
-Guild Wars Professional Gamer (Selling Rank 9s/12s)

Officer of Math, Mush, Hood, Deer etc.

Hopefully that is enough, I know I am forgetting a crapload. TA record forget =*( 100 something, Developing Flag Running builds, whatever. I have given you more than enough information. This isn't even related to the thread!

Can I see your credentaials?

P.S To all the haters out there, I find it interesting how after I made this topic, my build became the norm for Paragons.... Must be an interesting coincidence that these two events happened at the same time, then a warrior variation came out...

HMMMMM

Arena Net won't be nerfing this build, or it will be highly unlikely if they do. If the lead designed who shall not be named keeps playing his paragon build then you will be safe. He has been playing it for awhile though, so he might get bored soon. But then again he is aiming for GWAMM....

Crap, I said to much, they are going to be onto me! <.< >.> <.< >.> <.< >.>

Coast seems all clear, I'm heading out!

P.S Paragons I'm sorry I made you a one trick pony, but now at least groups are begging for you! I didn't know my build would become the staple for HM groups, I didn't really intend for that to happen. That is the problem with my builds.... I create monstrous builds, which are to powerful.

Note To Self: Stop creating insanely powerful builds and giving them to the public! I am responsible for to many nerfs.

Wow this is a long post!

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

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Pull your head out of your ass and break your nose into the proper position.

You posted that you created the build, yet you said in your original post that you already saw 90% of paragons running that build? Are you blind? The irony here, along with many of your posts, is overwhelming.

Oh, and Iway sucked, kthxbai. Blood spike is right up there.

On topic, after that episode: My paragon makes me feel dirty even if I'm not running Imbagon. It's a good feeling.

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey
Pull your head out of your ass and break your nose into the proper position.

You posted that you created the build, yet you said in your original post that you already saw 90% of paragons running that build? Are you blind? The irony here, along with many of your posts, is overwhelming.

Oh, and Iway sucked, kthxbai. Blood spike is right up there. \

You have no clue.

I never said those builds took skill. You shouldn't put words in someone's mouth TSK TSK TSK

I remember in 2005 I could fame farm mindlessly doing Iway and make insane profits. There were hundreds of suckers lined up to purchase my fresh tigers.

Multi-boxing with multiple accounts in multiple guild parties gaining enormous fame with minimal effort, then turning that little work into huge profits was funny. I was able to stay in my apartment and make a thousand dollars a week playing video games. Those were the days.....

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage
\

You have no clue.

I never said those builds took skill. You shouldn't put words in someone's mouth TSK TSK TSK

I remember in 2005 I could fame farm mindlessly doing Iway and make insane profits. There were hundreds of suckers lined up to purchase my fresh tigers.

Multi-boxing with multiple accounts in multiple guild parties gaining enormous fame with minimal effort, then turning that little work into huge profits was funny. I was able to stay in my apartment and make a thousand dollars a week playing video games. Those were the days..... Huge profit. Worth millions. Then I sold it, against the EULA, on Ebay or from online gold sites. Someone report please? Thanks.

By the way, I cannot help but say that no one gives a fat RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about what you've done, or how you "made a thousand dollars a week playing video games." Typically, people like you never get laid.

Leggo my ego imo.

Arch the

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage

Time to type out the credentials, I feel like I am on an interview.

-Creater of Imbagon build
-Helped pioneer Iway
-Helped pioneer Blood Spike
-World's greatest survivor
-HOH's longest holding team member
-Guild Wars Professional Gamer (Selling Rank 9s/12s) Someone has a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig E-eggo. I'm sure hundreds of people are a better survivor than you. I personally have survivor on all my characters(13 characters).

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arch the
Someone has a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig E-eggo. I'm sure hundreds of people are a better survivor than you. I personally have survivor on all my characters(13 characters). You've gotten My Guild Hall Smells of Rich Mahogany, along with 35 million experience, with 0 deaths?

GWAMM is taking forever =*( QQ

I can't wait till GWAMM with 0 deaths.

Arch the

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage
You've gotten My Guild Hall Smells of Rich Mahogany, along with 35 million experience, with 0 deaths?

GWAMM is taking forever =*( QQ

I can't wait till GWAMM with 0 deaths.
I r Hff to watch me!!!!!

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage
You've gotten My Guild Hall Smells of Rich Mahogany, along with 35 million experience, with 0 deaths?

GWAMM is taking forever =*( QQ

I can't wait till GWAMM with 0 deaths. Denial is the key to apartheid.

Armond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

California

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage
I R IS ARROGANT AND MAEK MANY CLAIMS WIF NO PROOF, AND R BAED ENUFF TO NOT REALIZE WUT I CLAME TO HAF DUN IS BAED. Fixed. (Comment is too short.)

Kaida the Heartless

Kaida the Heartless

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

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Hi. I'm Kaida. I created 55 builds, Spiteful Spirit, Axes, and Protection Prayers. I'm still holding halls from when I began playing back in 1883. I make a million bucks a week selling lies. My TA record is even higher than my bank account. I've been an officer, leader, and 53 members of Evil, IQ, and WM all at once.

I'm sorry I'm so full of my own crap. I should stop before anet nerfs me.
I'm so dumb I can't realize I'm bragging to a crowd of people who could care less!

What do you want now? Seems like you've done everything to me. Now gtfo and let everyone else be on thier business.

/backontopic

I think I my end up making a paragon here soon. Anyone have any suggestions on how the quickest way to get them up and running is?

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless
Hi. I'm Kaida. I created 55 builds, Spiteful Spirit, Axes, and Protection Prayers. I'm still holding halls from when I began playing back in 1883. I make a million bucks a week selling lies. My TA record is even higher than my bank account. I've been an officer, leader, and 53 members of Evil, IQ, and WM all at once.

I'm sorry I'm so full of my own crap. I should stop before anet nerfs me.
I'm so dumb I can't realize I'm bragging to a crowd of people who could care less!

What do you want now? Seems like you've done everything to me. Now gtfo and let everyone else be on thier business.

/backontopic

I think I my end up making a paragon here soon. Anyone have any suggestions on how the quickest way to get them up and running is? Do noob island quests, hit 10, bam, Kilroy, then do w/e you want with lvl 20 heroes and lvl 20 on noob island.

street peddler

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

just want to say you definitely did not create this build toxage, seeing as the thread is actually about the build itself and how everyone uses it.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

FA + SY was used/abused way before you posted this thread.

Shaz

Shaz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS]

He could very well created the build, who knows, but that doesn't mean that everyone who uses the build use his build though. Someone else could have come up with it too without prior knowledge about the build. I know that he isn't the one that made it famous though. But meh, who care.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10172218
Posted 12 days after PvE skills were introduced back in June. This thread started in... December.

Of course none of that really matters because it doesn't take a genius to put "Save Yourselves!', Focused Anger, and "There's Nothing To Fear!" on the same bar. Any player who saw a skill that gave +100 AL for 8 adrenaline was immediately looking for ways to make that skill fill up as fast as possible. To say someone created the build is foolish; it's pointing out the obvious, unless we want to give out congratulations for having common sense?

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

I think Toxage has an overinflated ego.
I want threads ect.

On topic:
Yeah, they're stupid imba. Even minus the PvE skills.

The Meth

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

I don't think anyone can make a serious claim about making the imbagon build. A +100 armor skill that takes 8 adren? shit... i guess we should take a build that provides a lot of adrenaline. It took me a total of like 5 minutes to think of Focused Anger and Dragon Slash.

As to the build... yeah I feel kinda lame using it. Mostly because the build itself has absolutely no skill involved, you just press the buttons when the skills light up. Its a build heroes should be running, not me

Toxage

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I find it interesting all the people bashing me telling me I didn't invent the various builds, weren't even around when the builds were developed. My builds we developed so long ago. Only the "old-schoolers" from 2005 know my contributions.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arch the
I r Hff to watch me!!!!! What? I have never HFFed. I got my experience during double experience elite captures, vanquishing, doa clears, fow clears, uw clears.

Once again, I find it interesting how everyone in here judges me when they don't know me.

Next time lets try to develop debates with evidence and facts.

If play with me on a regular basis (Only 7 people do) then you can judge me. But that is right, NONE of you do.


I've got used to flames from players over the years. It comes with the territory, when you push yourself to become the best. When you push yourself for not 1 HOH win, not 2, not 3, not 10, not 20, not 30, but 200 wins. When you push yourself to NEVER use a cookie cutter. When you push yourself to think in radically different ways that no one even imagined, not even the designers, and they immediately call in the programmers to nerf your build. When you are responsible for patches. You could easily do these things as well.

Your tears are delicious.


BRING IT!

Antithesis

Antithesis

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

BrisneyLand

Sphincter Says [What]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage
When you push yourself to NEVER use a cookie cutter. What, like the Imbagon? Aren't you the guy who created the Echo Mending Wammo?

Again, you rock my socks. You truly are the god you profess to be. Looking forward to seeing you swatted with the banstick.