The following is for PvE.
I was just wondering how you guys deal with a scenario when you're in a group of 8 (human/hero/hench it doesn't matter) and you've got major hexes everywhere, a few conditions here and there, 2 guys almost dead, another 1 getting spiked...
In general, pressure. What skills do you guys do to counter pressure? Mass hex removal? Mass condition removal?
What do you do when panicking?
jon0592
Diddy bow
A run holy haste + LOD on a hero to try and avoid it/fix it, then focus on keeping the hexes off him untill the hexes on the rest just... run out ^^.
Utaku
I ping a place on the radar I want every body to fall back to.
Or flag everybody back when I heroe/hench.
Usually PuGs don't care anyway, so I fall back with my heroes, and let people that can't read a radar die
Or flag everybody back when I heroe/hench.
Usually PuGs don't care anyway, so I fall back with my heroes, and let people that can't read a radar die
Stormlord Alex
I stand up.
Tell myself it's a game, and not worth panicking over. Grab a breath of fresh air.
Go get a double shot of whiskey on ice, and return.
The team may well have wiped... But I gots whiskey
Tell myself it's a game, and not worth panicking over. Grab a breath of fresh air.
Go get a double shot of whiskey on ice, and return.
The team may well have wiped... But I gots whiskey
Faure
I just walk slowly back while healing/protting where possible (preferably the other monk).
I tell everyone to run back. Then regroup, regen and start rebirthing =).
Altough there's imo a difference in pressure (like described above) and panicking (near-whipe for me). With that kind of pressure I stay calm and heal what i can.
I tell everyone to run back. Then regroup, regen and start rebirthing =).
Altough there's imo a difference in pressure (like described above) and panicking (near-whipe for me). With that kind of pressure I stay calm and heal what i can.
Wakka
To be fair if your in a high end area and stop to type when your monkin and under a lot of pressure someones going to die lol
The key is not to stop no matter what you do.
The key is not to stop no matter what you do.
Sakura Az
in that senario.. ZB on one, dismiss and RoF on the onther thats dieing, guardian or SoA or PS on the one about to be spiked, depends on the mob, then back up and throw RoF, dismiss, and GoH around and hope for the best. i ignore hexes in pve for the most part. pvp i'll throw in deny hexes in that mess just cause people bring more potent hexes than what is found in pve.
and to deal with party wide degen.. thats what i have my rit and second monk to help with^^, pvp party wide degen.. eh i remove the hex's from the important people and dismiss condition, bascily i heal thru it and remove what i can. i only really monk in AB and RA, so party degen isn't as bad as if it was in 8v8 format.
and to deal with party wide degen.. thats what i have my rit and second monk to help with^^, pvp party wide degen.. eh i remove the hex's from the important people and dismiss condition, bascily i heal thru it and remove what i can. i only really monk in AB and RA, so party degen isn't as bad as if it was in 8v8 format.
Kwan Xi
If I'm healer: Heals to whoever needs it most first, Dwayna's Kiss helps with mass hexing, Cure Hex and Blessed Light are useful to heal+remove hexes. If everyone is loosing health rapidly Spam Heal Party or LoD, Spam heals like crazy till your energy runes out 
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If I'm Protect Monk: Divert Hexes for mass hexing, Restore Condition for mass conditions, and Zealous Benediction, If I have Aegis on me I usually spam that in a panic situation.
At least try to wait for a call to retreat but if its obvious your all gonna die run like hell rez everyone later.... sorry
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?If I'm Protect Monk: Divert Hexes for mass hexing, Restore Condition for mass conditions, and Zealous Benediction, If I have Aegis on me I usually spam that in a panic situation.
At least try to wait for a call to retreat but if its obvious your all gonna die run like hell rez everyone later.... sorry
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JoeKnowMo
I try to save the target being spiked first (RoF + other stuff) then heal up the other two with low HP.
If I'm running HBoon, I use GoLE + 2 Heal Partys once people are stabilized.
I'll switch to my high-energy set if needed as well.
If death is inevitable (in a pug), I try to save the smart players and let the stupid ones die.
If I'm running HBoon, I use GoLE + 2 Heal Partys once people are stabilized.
I'll switch to my high-energy set if needed as well.
If death is inevitable (in a pug), I try to save the smart players and let the stupid ones die.
Grammar
In situations where the sh** hits the fan like that, all you can do is just start chain casting your skills like crazy and hope your party kills everything before you run out of energy.
Aegis is also golden in that situation. Just pray to God you get that fast cast.
The most important thing after something like that happens is to figure out why you where in that situation in the first place.
Did the group over-aggro? Were the wrong targets being called? Did some key skills get interrupted? Etc.
Aegis is also golden in that situation. Just pray to God you get that fast cast.
The most important thing after something like that happens is to figure out why you where in that situation in the first place.
Did the group over-aggro? Were the wrong targets being called? Did some key skills get interrupted? Etc.
Xue Fang
I blame the Monks, personally.
Sakura Az
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Originally Posted by Grammar
The most important thing after something like that happens is to figure out whyyou where in that situation in the first place.
Did the group over-aggro? Were the wrong targets being called? Did some key skills get interrupted? Etc. hehe like if your party ran a radar range infront of you while you were opening a chest.. ugh for that last night.
i had forgotten about aegis, i haven't run that in a little while. that is like turning on invincibilty for 15 seconds sometimes.. i don't have to do anything while aegis is up in pve most of the time.
Did the group over-aggro? Were the wrong targets being called? Did some key skills get interrupted? Etc. hehe like if your party ran a radar range infront of you while you were opening a chest.. ugh for that last night.
i had forgotten about aegis, i haven't run that in a little while. that is like turning on invincibilty for 15 seconds sometimes.. i don't have to do anything while aegis is up in pve most of the time.
Yichi
I don't panic. we either get through it or we wipe. It's only pve. theres a res shrine right around the corner 
arcady
Walk back slowly, spam draw conditions, put out a few remove hexes, and if its really going fully south - wait for the PUG to die and then rebirth.
If it isn't really going south, there's still a point to casting guardian and reversal of fortune, and aegis whenever its renewed.
Now if I were to answer the thread's title, what do you do when panicking... well, panic?
This probably means I'm being forced by the PUG to run between two groups out of range of each other, and trying to undo the split or at least figure out which is going the right way so I know who to save.
Sometimes it means somebody is drawing all sorts of lines all over the radar and only using words like 'noob' in chat such that not I nor anyone else has any idea why all those lines are appearing or what they are instructing us to do...
In which case I find a spot to stand and wait for PUG death. Rez whoever hasn't rage quit, hope it was the Wa/Mo that rage quit, and continue on if possible.
Yesterday's panic on my Elementalist was the result of the monk turning out to be a 55'r who joined the mission to farm the Kournan guards out of Venta Cemetary - and I did a lot of running back and forth mostly trying to keep all the NPC monks from following him, until thankfully, artillery fire got him. While he didn't rage quit, he at least went silent in chat when nobody came by to rez him.
But that's panic - it usually means a lot of running back and forth, no matter what profession I'm on.
Key is to try and avoid the panic as a response to a situation.
If it isn't really going south, there's still a point to casting guardian and reversal of fortune, and aegis whenever its renewed.
Now if I were to answer the thread's title, what do you do when panicking... well, panic?
This probably means I'm being forced by the PUG to run between two groups out of range of each other, and trying to undo the split or at least figure out which is going the right way so I know who to save.
Sometimes it means somebody is drawing all sorts of lines all over the radar and only using words like 'noob' in chat such that not I nor anyone else has any idea why all those lines are appearing or what they are instructing us to do...
In which case I find a spot to stand and wait for PUG death. Rez whoever hasn't rage quit, hope it was the Wa/Mo that rage quit, and continue on if possible.
Yesterday's panic on my Elementalist was the result of the monk turning out to be a 55'r who joined the mission to farm the Kournan guards out of Venta Cemetary - and I did a lot of running back and forth mostly trying to keep all the NPC monks from following him, until thankfully, artillery fire got him. While he didn't rage quit, he at least went silent in chat when nobody came by to rez him.
But that's panic - it usually means a lot of running back and forth, no matter what profession I'm on.
Key is to try and avoid the panic as a response to a situation.
jon0592
So I guess most of you guys run protection builds...
Me personally, I like to get health back up to aruond 75% for all, so I LoD + Holy Haste, with GoLE and 2 Heal Parties.
Thanks for responses, interesting to see what others do.
Me personally, I like to get health back up to aruond 75% for all, so I LoD + Holy Haste, with GoLE and 2 Heal Parties.
Thanks for responses, interesting to see what others do.
Seraphic Divinity
I say "WTF?! JOO ARE EPIC PHAIL" And rage
Toutatis
In a panic situation, I order an immediate retreat - anyone who doesn't follow the retreat is left to die (it's not as if they can't be rezzed later when you come back for them). As a Monk, you're the real commander of the group regardless of who is making the target calls or drawing things on the compass.
If you're being beaten badly then the team's strategy isn't working and it's time to pull back before getting wiped, take stock of DP and the status of the party's rez signet stockpile, and ask the Mesmer or Ranger for their input (they're the ones who tend to spend most of their time monitoring the status of the field and the wide array of skills that the enemy is using against you, so they'll usually be the first to come up with a workable plan of attack).
If you're being beaten badly then the team's strategy isn't working and it's time to pull back before getting wiped, take stock of DP and the status of the party's rez signet stockpile, and ask the Mesmer or Ranger for their input (they're the ones who tend to spend most of their time monitoring the status of the field and the wide array of skills that the enemy is using against you, so they'll usually be the first to come up with a workable plan of attack).
Rexion
if i haven't done this mission:
"you guys are cow poo, play BETTER!!! now, lets do this.... wammo you can die though"
if i have:
" *eric cartman voice* screw you guys, im going home"
"you guys are cow poo, play BETTER!!! now, lets do this.... wammo you can die though"
if i have:
" *eric cartman voice* screw you guys, im going home"
Keekles
I don't PUG, so I don't really encounter issues with PUGs and near wipe situations.
When playing with guild mates, I usually inform them when I'm low on energy over vent.
If I'm playing with H/H, and I KNOW the mob will kill us, I just wipe and start over (it's pve after all).
When playing with guild mates, I usually inform them when I'm low on energy over vent.
If I'm playing with H/H, and I KNOW the mob will kill us, I just wipe and start over (it's pve after all).
Div
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
The team may well have wiped... But I gots whiskey
^ very win.
^ very win.
azizul1975
i play monk, so usually i'll try to save other monks first, then i go for the one with least health.
Mr Pink57
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Originally Posted by azizul1975
i play monk, so usually i'll try to save other monks first, then i go for the one with least health.
Only problem with that is if the other monk just starts healing you, your just gonna heal each other the whole time lol.
If its gonna hit the fan hard i swap to 40/40 heal set after i drop a aegis if I can and WoH to all hell and kiss when I can.
pink
If its gonna hit the fan hard i swap to 40/40 heal set after i drop a aegis if I can and WoH to all hell and kiss when I can.
pink
ShadowbaneX
generally when I'm panicing I panic. Strange, true, but I feel that it's important to go with the tried and true methods. So when I'm doing something, you know, I do it.
On a slightly more serious note: run away and hope that someone has brought rebirth.
Seriously though, just do what you can. Conditions and hexes aren't major so, whatever, take care of them when you've got a moment. Two guys are almost dead? Well, which two? Pick the more valuable one (think defensive skills, the monk, the paragon, the tank) and concentrate on keeping that one alive. If you can manage to keep both of them alive, all the better, but if you have a choice, well, it's triage time, save the more important one. If it's a mission, know when to cut and run. If you're being swarmed over, and it's not a timed mission, run. Break aggro and wait for things to calm down, then move back in and get people back on their feet. If you can encourage someone with rebirth to get away so much the better. Granted, in some cases this doesn't help since there are some monks that don't run a res, but I do so I know that if survive it's not a total loss if I manage to survive (and huzzah for the fact that Healer's Boon half-casts Healing Resses). Three second Restore Life at 16 Healing? Yes, please!
If you're just wandering around somewhere, well, actually wiping isn't horrible as there are convinently placed res shrines all over the place.
Oh, and if all else fails grab your blanket and read the cover of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.
On a slightly more serious note: run away and hope that someone has brought rebirth.
Seriously though, just do what you can. Conditions and hexes aren't major so, whatever, take care of them when you've got a moment. Two guys are almost dead? Well, which two? Pick the more valuable one (think defensive skills, the monk, the paragon, the tank) and concentrate on keeping that one alive. If you can manage to keep both of them alive, all the better, but if you have a choice, well, it's triage time, save the more important one. If it's a mission, know when to cut and run. If you're being swarmed over, and it's not a timed mission, run. Break aggro and wait for things to calm down, then move back in and get people back on their feet. If you can encourage someone with rebirth to get away so much the better. Granted, in some cases this doesn't help since there are some monks that don't run a res, but I do so I know that if survive it's not a total loss if I manage to survive (and huzzah for the fact that Healer's Boon half-casts Healing Resses). Three second Restore Life at 16 Healing? Yes, please!
If you're just wandering around somewhere, well, actually wiping isn't horrible as there are convinently placed res shrines all over the place.
Oh, and if all else fails grab your blanket and read the cover of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.
Turtle222
Sli Ander
I don't like to call it 'panic' either, I just tend to get more focused when I'm in 'triage mode'. The bigger the challenge the more focused I get (I'm no supermonk, I just rearrange priorities).
Usually I'll slap prot followed by a small heal on those taking the worst damage or a party heal/prot for when everyone's doing about the same. If it's a high condition area I'll usually have a mass-removal, or if not just go for the priority target(i.e. the guy not countering his own damage by kiting). As someone else said, it sometimes just comes down to spamming your skills until your run out of energy; I've found if you just spam them on the right people they can usually kill that baddie and turn the tables(though a few of those times there was a necro paying enough attention to give me more).
If it's worse than that, I'll ping the radar and heal the ones that run just enough so they don't die while they're doing it. Anyone that doesn't gets my heals until they run or die, in which case I run like hell before I attract some personal loving from the monsters. I try and be the last to leave but I have been forced to abandon some people with Leroy Jenkins style spirit.
But that's just my two cents
Usually I'll slap prot followed by a small heal on those taking the worst damage or a party heal/prot for when everyone's doing about the same. If it's a high condition area I'll usually have a mass-removal, or if not just go for the priority target(i.e. the guy not countering his own damage by kiting). As someone else said, it sometimes just comes down to spamming your skills until your run out of energy; I've found if you just spam them on the right people they can usually kill that baddie and turn the tables(though a few of those times there was a necro paying enough attention to give me more).
If it's worse than that, I'll ping the radar and heal the ones that run just enough so they don't die while they're doing it. Anyone that doesn't gets my heals until they run or die, in which case I run like hell before I attract some personal loving from the monsters. I try and be the last to leave but I have been forced to abandon some people with Leroy Jenkins style spirit.
But that's just my two cents
Age
I just to my jop and not panick it is not like we are in plane crash so we get wiped or some do it is not the end of the world.PuGs out there think it is is bot over all I just keep the team healed sometimes just using RoF but I hate hexes anyways.
Sir Pandra Pierva
if a wammo over aggros kinda like my guild leader likes to do....I just let them try to live on there own for a while since wammos like to say they can survive so they almost always over aggro, yes I started pugging again for kicks to see what missions can be done with idiots. I got bored of beating the games over and over again and got tired of trying to get guildies to HA and GVG so I just went with my monk and started to just collect bad builds, it's what started the bad PUG build thread.
jsalvadore1325
In terms of the best targets to heal, you need to remember your job is to keep people alive and kicking, not at 100% all the time. You can let a few people degen below 75% if someone is getting about to get spiked.
In pve, you just need to adapt your build in certain environments. If you're in a place that has tons of hexes or conditions, bring extinguish and maybe a HB+Heal Party Bot.
In terms of panicking, don't panic. I wish that monks start out with a Don't Panic button. Just because half your team is below 60% it doesn't mean they're all going to die. Instead of spamming seven 5 energy upkeep heals. You could just spend 15 on a heal party. (Why do you think LoD got so popular?) Panicking just leads to bad choices and wasting energy.
In pve, you just need to adapt your build in certain environments. If you're in a place that has tons of hexes or conditions, bring extinguish and maybe a HB+Heal Party Bot.
In terms of panicking, don't panic. I wish that monks start out with a Don't Panic button. Just because half your team is below 60% it doesn't mean they're all going to die. Instead of spamming seven 5 energy upkeep heals. You could just spend 15 on a heal party. (Why do you think LoD got so popular?) Panicking just leads to bad choices and wasting energy.
Sir Pandra Pierva
Perfectly said. I can't say how many times I have watched groups at less than 50% health hold out and win against lots of mobs.
Akin
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Originally Posted by jon0592
The following is for PvE.
I was just wondering how you guys deal with a scenario when you're in a group of 8 (human/hero/hench it doesn't matter) and you've got major hexes everywhere, a few conditions here and there, 2 guys almost dead, another 1 getting spiked...
In general, pressure. What skills do you guys do to counter pressure? Mass hex removal? Mass condition removal? Heal Party, it used to be LoD but thats dead now so don't bother. If you don't have heal party on your bar then you should have some other source of party heals somewhere else in your build and that character needs to kick it into high gear. WoH/Cure Hex the low members of your party but remember your never going to keep up with party wide degen with targeted heals. You need party healing. If someone is getting spiked in that situation, do your best to catch it, or better yet pre-prot it, but if your under that kind of pressure sometimes the best thing to do is take a death or 2 and res sig/deathpact sig back from it.
I was just wondering how you guys deal with a scenario when you're in a group of 8 (human/hero/hench it doesn't matter) and you've got major hexes everywhere, a few conditions here and there, 2 guys almost dead, another 1 getting spiked...
In general, pressure. What skills do you guys do to counter pressure? Mass hex removal? Mass condition removal? Heal Party, it used to be LoD but thats dead now so don't bother. If you don't have heal party on your bar then you should have some other source of party heals somewhere else in your build and that character needs to kick it into high gear. WoH/Cure Hex the low members of your party but remember your never going to keep up with party wide degen with targeted heals. You need party healing. If someone is getting spiked in that situation, do your best to catch it, or better yet pre-prot it, but if your under that kind of pressure sometimes the best thing to do is take a death or 2 and res sig/deathpact sig back from it.
Solus Spartan
I randomly press F and spam 1,2,3,4,5.
MasterSasori
1. F
2. Spam prot enchants
3. ZB
4. RUN!
2. Spam prot enchants
3. ZB
4. RUN!
Coloneh
save the key players if you cant get everyone. the sin can die, the mesmer can die, the warrior and the other monk should be kept alive. and when everything goes wrong know when to bail. people might be annoyed when you run away, but they will be less annoyed when you bring the party back from a wipe.
Solus Spartan
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
save the key players if you cant get everyone. the sin can die, the mesmer can die, the warrior and the other monk should be kept alive. and when everything goes wrong know when to bail. people might be annoyed when you run away, but they will be less annoyed when you bring the party back from a wipe.
You work that out as you pathetic?
"OK OK OK! Mesmer is dead OMG NOOB! OK ZB THE MONK OMFG YOU NOOB! Ok WAMMO USE DOYLAKS NO IDIOT NO REBIRTH FOR YOU! OMG Noob sin using shadowform no rebirth you dead now im leaving k bye noobs !" Something like that?
"OK OK OK! Mesmer is dead OMG NOOB! OK ZB THE MONK OMFG YOU NOOB! Ok WAMMO USE DOYLAKS NO IDIOT NO REBIRTH FOR YOU! OMG Noob sin using shadowform no rebirth you dead now im leaving k bye noobs !" Something like that?
Terraban
I roll my face on the keyboard.
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Originally Posted by Solus Spartan
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You work that out as you pathetic?
"OK OK OK! Mesmer is dead OMG NOOB! OK ZB THE MONK OMFG YOU NOOB! Ok WAMMO USE DOYLAKS NO IDIOT NO REBIRTH FOR YOU! OMG Noob sin using shadowform no rebirth you dead now im leaving k bye noobs !" Something like that? Please don't do that again.
"OK OK OK! Mesmer is dead OMG NOOB! OK ZB THE MONK OMFG YOU NOOB! Ok WAMMO USE DOYLAKS NO IDIOT NO REBIRTH FOR YOU! OMG Noob sin using shadowform no rebirth you dead now im leaving k bye noobs !" Something like that? Please don't do that again.
Syntonic
I draw a bunch of arrows on the map and ping locations to pull back to or the creature giving you trouble (mesmer, enemy monk which is being ignored, rit enemy reviving or whatever) etc. since you probably have better battlefield awareness at that moment while mashing buttons like crazy to save lives. Well, maybe it involves a bit than just mashing buttons but the spamming part and arrows/ping is right on. You should try it.
makosi
Believe it or not, a strategically places [skill]Healing Seed[/skill] can really ease those panicky moments. The 2 second cast sucks but a good monk will have a dual 20/20 set at hand.
moko
Divine Spirit + 123456781234567812345678
Avarre
Go into a triage state of mind. Your only role is to prevent death as far as possible, so expend time and energy saving what can be saved. That may mean letting someone die in order to ensure nobody else goes down. If that one death means you can prevent a wipe, it's a victory for you in that situation. Obviously you should try to keep everyone alive, but in a critical situation that may not be possible.
Focus prot (swap into high set if you have to) on targets taking direct fire, and try to bump up health bars of vulnerable players (anything with low health and likely to take damage in the near future - watch the field). Once whoever is getting spiked is heavily protted, the enemy will either keep hitting them (you win), or change targets - in which case pay attention and be ready to preprot. Once you're back on top of the situation and pre-empting damage with prot rather than reacting, your team will start to stabilize.
At the same time, you should scream at your team 'MITIGATE YOU FAILURES!' (insert choice of obscenities) and hope they recognize that it is now the time to stop taking damage. The more people that kite/re-position to safety, the less you have to potentially save.
Focus prot (swap into high set if you have to) on targets taking direct fire, and try to bump up health bars of vulnerable players (anything with low health and likely to take damage in the near future - watch the field). Once whoever is getting spiked is heavily protted, the enemy will either keep hitting them (you win), or change targets - in which case pay attention and be ready to preprot. Once you're back on top of the situation and pre-empting damage with prot rather than reacting, your team will start to stabilize.
At the same time, you should scream at your team 'MITIGATE YOU FAILURES!' (insert choice of obscenities) and hope they recognize that it is now the time to stop taking damage. The more people that kite/re-position to safety, the less you have to potentially save.
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by Avarre
At the same time, you should scream at your team 'MITIGATE YOU FAILURES!' (insert choice of obscenities) and hope they recognize that it is now the time to stop taking damage. The more people that kite/re-position to safety, the less you have to potentially save.
Most important step imo.