What is Anet politic about nerfs?

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Lorde
Lorde
Frost Gate Guardian
#1
Deadly Paradox was nerfed and I started to ponder why some builds got the stick and other doesn't?

How is the process? They pool how many people are using the skill? It was hard to counter? Many people disliked it? Or no one knows what anet does??

Oh, and I think Deadly Paradox was a little evil skill too and I will miss the spam. I am not arguing if the nerf was deserved or not but what is the process behind it.
Bryant Again
Bryant Again
Hall Hero
#2
Generally they nerf the metagame, if I remember correctly.

And gosh damn that sure is one popular (still cool) avatar.
Lorde
Lorde
Frost Gate Guardian
#3
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Generally they nerf the metagame, if I remember correctly.

And gosh damn that sure is one popular (still cool) avatar.
The... what?

Metagame? What is the metagame??? I hear this word all the time but I am not sure what this means.

Sin Gwen is cute and is sad Lame Paradox was nerfed.
sagilltwins
sagilltwins
Banned
#4
I believe the metagame is like what most people like to run on a particular profession. Such as like how all Infusers used to use LoD... then they nerfed it to the grave. So people switched to WoH.
Lorde
Lorde
Frost Gate Guardian
#5
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Originally Posted by sagilltwins
I believe the metagame is like what most people like to run on a particular profession. Such as like how all Infusers used to use LoD... then they nerfed it to the grave. So people switched to WoH.
So, if a skill turns very, very popular and take over the metagame, they nerf it?
arcanemacabre
arcanemacabre
Grotto Attendant
#6
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Originally Posted by Lorde
Metagame? What is the metagame??? I hear this word all the time but I am not sure what this means.
This helps explain it a bit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagame

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Originally Posted by Lorde
So, if a skill turns very, very popular and take over the metagame, they nerf it?
Pretty much, for the most part. This is to promote changes in strategy and keeps the game fresh(er). It doesn't really work, since all people do is convert to a new metagame.

The general idea is to make all skills balanced, but that is such a sky-high goal it will never be reached. So this switching of metagames is about as good as it's gonna get.
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Chik N Nuggets
Krytan Explorer
#7
a problem i see with this is that if they end up nerfing all the skills there will be no soloable areas.. i unno just my opinion.
Redfeather1975
Redfeather1975
Forge Runner
#8
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Originally Posted by Lorde
So, if a skill turns very, very popular and take over the metagame, they nerf it?
I think it's more complicated than that.
High end PvP has evolved to use tactics that over the years have proven to be most effective. Being forced to deviate from those tactics, just to counter one type of popular build, at the risk of not being able to stack up against those still running the norm is overall bad for the high end PvP game.
When I say using certain tactics, I'm not talking about everyone only using certain builds, but more a strategy involving elements such as runners, pressure, split, spiking, ect.

BTW, anyone can come here and say I'm totally wrong as I have little first hand experience, this is just how I have come to understand it based on what I've observed from watching how others play.
Sab
Sab
Desert Nomad
#9
It's called "Skill Balance".

Read Izzy's reply here for the skill balancing process:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...ain_of_Command

As for why Deadly Paradox was changed, it was the basis of an overpowered Deadly Arts build.
Redfeather1975
Redfeather1975
Forge Runner
#10
What I hope to see in future skill balances is a skill being tweaked in ways to squash the synergies it has that fuel particularly unbalanced builds, and not make the skill itself no longer viable.
I hope that made sense.
undeadgun
undeadgun
Forge Runner
#11
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Originally Posted by Lorde
The... what?

Metagame? What is the metagame??? I hear this word all the time but I am not sure what this means.

Sin Gwen is cute and is sad Lame Paradox was nerfed.
Deadly Paradox was nerfed due to A/Mo SoJ spike, rit spike(N/A caller) and any sort of DP+Augury of Death+Iron Palm+Shadow Prison spam.
Sha Noran
Sha Noran
Desert Nomad
#12
Izzy uses secret technology to assure game balance.
DOCB22
DOCB22
Lion's Arch Merchant
#13
this comes to mind
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Fried Tech
Krytan Explorer
#14
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Originally Posted by DOCB22
this comes to mind
LMAO i love it. izzy is like the weatherman!

edit: Argh. just realized i quoted a Lazy
Shadowfox1125
Shadowfox1125
Forge Runner
#15
Well, I sure don't like seeing Smiting Sins running amok.
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Shinde
Banned
#16
It's pretty simple. They listen to the whiners, whoever makes the biggest noise. Particularly, the so-called "high-level pvpers" in "famous guilds" who use fancy vocabulary to drive their idiotic points disguised as brilliant ideas across. They make tldr dissertations on multiple forums, and some have direct contact with Izzy himself.

One would think that players supposedly "skilled" at the game would be more open-minded and accepting of builds that simply have good synergy, such as SP and DP, but no, they cry the most and the loudest.

It's all complete BS imo, and these people should have their teeth knocked down their throat with a baseball bat.
DreamRunner
DreamRunner
Krytan Explorer
#17
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Originally Posted by Shinde
It's pretty simple. They listen to the whiners, whoever makes the biggest noise. Particularly, the so-called "high-level pvpers" in "famous guilds" who use fancy vocabulary to drive their idiotic points disguised as brilliant ideas across. They make tldr dissertations on multiple forums, and some have direct contact with Izzy himself.

One would think that players supposedly "skilled" at the game would be more open-minded and accepting of builds that simply have good synergy, such as SP and DP, but no, they cry the most and the loudest.

It's all complete BS imo, and these people should have their teeth knocked down their throat with a baseball bat.




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Sab
Sab
Desert Nomad
#18
Smile Like Umean It
Smile Like Umean It
Desert Nomad
#19
With the way this thread has already started to go, I think it's about ran it's course.
electrofish
electrofish
Frost Gate Guardian
#20
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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It
With the way this thread has already started to go, I think it's about ran it's course.
but but but we're still on the first page

ahh well so can the kitties come out yet?