Fix cap sig!

Tender Wolf

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

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Okay there are a few things that popped into my head while thinking of this. Here's my idea -

To get the title Elite Skill Hunter, you have to have every single elite skill in the game. And yo only get 2 free cap sigs (one for the quest, a second one for finishing it). The rest you all have to buy, most likely at 1k each. Now I realize it's only 1k, but in the long run, it adds up to be over 100k to get all skills. So my idea is to have another way to get cap sigs. My thought was a repeatable quest, like the Kurzick and Luxon scout ones. It would save us so much money in the long run and make it easier for us to achieve our title.

Speaking of cap sigs, you can only equip up to so many. That's fine, but in order for them to work, you have to be standing next to a dead boss of your corresponding profession (primary or secondary). My second idea is this:

Let the cap sig work for any profession that you have obtained (for instance, if you haven't unlocked R/A, you can't cap a sin skill, but if you are currently a R/Rt but have unlocked R/W, you can cap either one). That way you don't have to keep going back and forth (especially for skills that can only be capped in missions).

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

I'll gladly pay 100-200k to get enough cap sigs for 4 maxed titles. This is nothing compared to titles like drunkard or sweet tooth, that cost millions.

If you don't have the gold yet, don't go for those titles. There are obtainable, "free" titles.

Johnny Madhouse

Johnny Madhouse

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

SKOB

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Skill Hunter is like the poor man's money title, the title everyone goes for before buying a disgusting amount of sweets and gorging on them. It's fine the way it is, buying sigs is a lot more pleasurable than doing the same lame quests over and over to ony save 1k.

Another problem with this I can see is that 1k is how much you'll spend if you plan on getting a normal skill anyway. Making elite skills easier and cheaper to get would be a bit silly.

By the way, there are 290 elites in the game, not counting lightbringer's signet. That's a lot more than 100.

I D E L E T E D I

I D E L E T E D I

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

[BAAA] guest me NOW

Mo/

Like already said the title is fine the way it is. It doesnt add up to too much and if you have a starting capital of about 50k you can max the title without ever farming again. Since you make many by getting to the bosses.
290k for four maxed titles is nothing at all
/notsigned

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

The title is fine as is.
/notsigned

Offtopic: What's with starting threads with the phrase "Fix so and so..." That somehow implies that "so and so" is broken, which in itself is an assumption you need to prove as part of the suggestion.

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

/unisigned. It's fine the way it is.

genofreek

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

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Hmm... I'm all about saving my limited funds, but I just don't have the time/attention span to grind the same quest over and over and over again. After about 5 sigs, I'd willingly go back to paying any amount to avoid having to repeat the quest.

Make it too hard, and it's not worth the 1k you save. Make it too easy, and farmers fill up on elites in no time flat.

I think the system's fine the way it is. Give us a few free cap sigs, enough to get something important or really cool, then let us buy the rest. Maybe toss in another quest or two, but I wouldn't change anything.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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I like the number 2 idea, if you've already pay 500g to change your secondary profession, while not of that secondary profession, you can still cap the elite if you happens to kill a boss of a profession that is one of your un-locked secondary but it will, off course be grey out and un-usable once cap and only usable when you switch to said secondary back in town and equipped the skill.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Here's how this works.

You buy a skill for one platinum. You are now able to use that skill for that cost.

You buy a SoC for 1 platinum. This money cost + the work to cap it is the price you pay for elites, unless you pay 5k+ for an elite tome.

There's no reason that you shouldn't have to pay for elite skills one by one. You gain use of them. They have other uses than for titles. Be grateful you get 2 elites free from the campaigns, and even get a reward with that.



I only agree with the second idea. That would help.

thedeadlyassassin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Tualatin OR

N/A

A/W

Yes! And let's have an emote that gives you 100k every second!


Honestly, don't aim for what you can't shoot at. In this case, stop wanting the title if you don't have the ability to farm gold.

I have Elona Elite Skill hunter and almost Legendary (I have the sigs and I'm about 30 skills off), and I hardly farm!

As for a repeatable quest... no. I don't want to see another FFF type of quest that people do 24/7 for a title that's unique in its own way.

=DNC=Trucker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

TLA

Me/

/unsigned. If it costs 1k to buy a regular skill, it better damn well cost 1k to cap an elite skill.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
My thought was a repeatable quest, like the Kurzick and Luxon scout ones. It would save us so much money in the long run and make it easier for us to achieve our title.
Thus killing the gold sink of the skill hunter title. So give me a good reason why the gold sink should be removed ?

Quote:
Let the cap sig work for any profession that you have obtained (for instance, if you haven't unlocked R/A, you can't cap a sin skill, but if you are currently a R/Rt but have unlocked R/W, you can cap either one). That way you don't have to keep going back and forth (especially for skills that can only be capped in missions).
This however will be really useful. Especially in Prophesies where the bosses spawn randomly. Going out 5 times just to find the right boss is annoying enough (I have had this happen), but when the bosses that do spawn could also have a wanted skill I can see this getting really annoying.

thedeadlyassassin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Tualatin OR

N/A

A/W

To bilateralrope, that adds the difficulty to the title. The hardest skill to cap IMO from Elona is Stunning Spear, and that's hardly hard. Tyria has about 51 less elites to cap, and has the easiest monsters (assuming you have every campaign). The challenge of the boss not being there shouldn't be removed if you can cap, let's say, a necro skill as a warrior/monk.

aaje vhanli

aaje vhanli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

/unsigned

If it's not broke, don't fix it.

BigDave

BigDave

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Manchester, UK

The Sapphire Rose [TSR]

I wouldn't mind seeing a new tome added to the mix. Tome of Capture. Every other skill (other than PvE only) can be obtained using a tome so why not a SoC? You'd still have to equip the sig and cap the skill as normal.

I dunno, just an idea

The title doesn't really need making any easier though. Sure it's time consuming but then most titles worth having are, and you pretty much cover the cost of the sig when you go capping anyway

Wakka

Wakka

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Northern Ireland

R/

/notsigned

I didnt pay all that money and invest the time for someone to nerf the title -.-

Juhanah

Juhanah

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

in my house

Find an elite tome in HM, sell it 10k+ and go capture 10+ skills..

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

You have another way. It's called 'elite tomes'. If you buy them it may cost 10k each one, but if they drop for you, they are compleeeetely free of charge, and you can even sell them to buy 10 signets!

It's true that skills should not be captured during missions, for those skills, there should be 'copies' of the skill that spawn elsewhere after beting the mission, but the 'kill the boss to capture' thing must stay. It's a signet of Capture.

And don't let me get started whit the whole 'unlock' Signet of Capture thing...
All characters should not be able either to buy or use the skill until after beating the Signet Quests in their respective campaigns, and then the signet should appear in every single trainer after beating that quest, or just appear in all, but fail until making that quest, with a "Skill failed. You know how to activate this skill, but not how to use it properly". Not like now, that has fixed trainers and you can use it from level 1 if you have the Guild Hall Skill Trainer.

Likelytodie

Likelytodie

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

New York

Fat People Lag [IRL]

Mo/

/not signed

Plenty of other people seemed to have managed this easy enough, so I don't see how there can be anything wrong with it.

legion_rat

legion_rat

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Join Date: Aug 2006

668 the neighbor of the beast

TFK

A/

/not signed for idea 1

/signed for idea 2

2 is something I have thought of before.

~the rat~

Shadow Spirit

Shadow Spirit

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago

your cat eats dog food [pup]

N/E

/notsigned on 1

/signed on 2

Prof Of Black

Prof Of Black

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Lol bad idea..

4 maxed titles for free? lawl.
Thats for idea 1 and 2 btw.

/notsigned.

~Prof.

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

/not signed.

BTW Tender Wolf, do you ever post anything but QQ and/or nerf posts?

jiggerjay

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

England

Curse of the grail [Cotg]

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its annoying to keep changing your profession in areas where there is like 5 bosses to cap, it would be so mmuch easier and time efficient if you can cap the skill if you have the secondary unlocked (maybe the skill dissapears once capped so you cant use it until you change to the corresponding profession.)

roflcopter2445

roflcopter2445

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2007

Reston, VA

Citadel Of Faith [LaZy]

W/A

There's nothing wrong with cap sig or the titles. Quit your moaning and earn them like the rest of us.

/notsigned

Prof Of Black

Prof Of Black

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Death is Energy [DIE] ~ Raining fame alliance

Quote:
Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
BTW Tender Wolf, do you ever post anything but QQ and/or nerf posts?
QFT ^^

I'm also getting bored of all those screenshots of him/her :s

~Prof.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

/notsigned.
no thank you...

Woop Shotty

Woop Shotty

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ruthless Mafia [RM]

Mo/

Would have helped out so many people so far. Would still help many more..

Idea 2 is a new idea for me and probably many, but it actually makes a lot of sense. On top of making sense, there's the idea of why not. However, it would have a lot less impact than the first suggestion.

/signed

I pwnd U

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

Join Date: Oct 2005

in the middle of a burning cornfield...

Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

/notsigned for 1

Buy the cap sigs first, but other skills later saves you money.

/signed for 2

Would make capping alot easier imo

Elentari

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

[Te]

W/

/not signed

don't go after the title if u cant afford it, farming free cap sigs from a repeatable quest is a terrible idea, fine as is.

Saraphim

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

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/not signed on 1.

2 isn't a bad idea though, problem is it would require a code change and I can't see them doing that for a minor inconvenience.

AuraofMana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Georgia, US

If you aren't willing to work for it, DON'T. Quit trying to change the game to suit your own taste.

/not signed on 1 and 2.

杀TanK杀

杀TanK杀

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

W/

Definitely not signed ><

A quest is out of the question as someone will find a way to do it in moments,
and as most have already sed a couple hundred K for four max titles is nothing

Vinraith

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

/notsigned on both

There's no reason skill titles need to be easier or cheaper than they currently are. They're easily among the most accessible max titles in the game, and useful to boot.

TurtleTurtle

TurtleTurtle

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Turtle Island

The Turtle Club [HONU]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by =DNC=Trucker
/unsigned. If it costs 1k to buy a regular skill, it better damn well cost 1k to cap an elite skill.
here, here.. the title and cap sig are perfect as is

Yosh

Yosh

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

California

Zero Mercy

Mo/

/unsigned

Not needed.

=HT=Ingram

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

In its current form it is VERY fixed. Trust me you would have hated the original concept for it where you had to wait for it to be cast to cap the skill...

And the predecessor with Charms, rings, and temp power cross class pendants was even worse...

Cap sig is the best possible evolution of all of those...

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

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You're not really considering how much money you can make from this title, are you?

Sure, each signet costs 1k to a point, but there's also a lot of items you can get from killing them, including greens and golds. Sell those and offset the costs.

My belief is that as long as you can buy most regular tomes for about 500g or less, buying skills from the trainer can cost 1k.

Tender Wolf

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
BTW Tender Wolf, do you ever post anything but QQ and/or nerf posts?
They're not nerfs, they're suggestions. It's not like I'm gonna stop playing the game or go nuts if they don't change it. They're merely ideas to see everyone's opinions. If you don't like it, don't read it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prof Of Black
QFT ^^

I'm also getting bored of all those screenshots of him/her :s

~Prof.
If you don't like my screenshots, don't look at them. You think I'm bad? I've seen some people post the same character like 500 times. Why am I the only one that gets bashed?

I start these threads for different opinions and to see what others think. They're not meant to be QQ/nerfs. So excuuuuuuuuse me.

x-stunt-x

x-stunt-x

Banned

Join Date: May 2007

USA

death strikers

W/Mo

Make cap sig like res sig! reuseable, SAVE THE PLANET!