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biatalie

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

SHOE

R/

05 Dec 2007 at 15:23 - 1

Hi
This is my first post in this forum and I hope you guys can help me with some advice. I am going to be involved in a friendly one on one duel in our guild hall. The opponent will be an Ele fire nuker. I am not sure about all of his skills but I know for certain that he will have 2 attunements (fire attunement + elemental attunement/E), Rodgort's Invocation, Fireball, Searing Heat. I doubt he will be using any interrupting skills. So my question is can a Necro take that kind of Ele down or is it completely hopeless?
I have been entertaining the idea Necro/Ele and use Obsidian Flesh or Necro/Me and use Mantra of Fire.
What do you think?
Thanks a bunch!

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

05 Dec 2007 at 15:41 - 2

12 Earth Magic
20% enchanting staff
Glyph of Swiftness + Obsidian Flesh

... then you can wand the fool to death.

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

N/

05 Dec 2007 at 15:47 - 3

Go /me, get power block, degen spells, win.
Go /A, toxic chill, augury, deathly chill, signet of toxic shock.

boogerboy72

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Scar]

N/Me

05 Dec 2007 at 16:05 - 4

or you could just 55 it.

55+sv=gg.

Ares Ainia

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

Edinbugger, Scotland

New Order Of Blackhearts [NooB]

Rt/Me

05 Dec 2007 at 16:24 - 5

n/me = Soul leech+Backfire+elemental resistance+mantra of flame = win

biatalie

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

SHOE

R/

05 Dec 2007 at 16:43 - 6

Do Mantra of Flame and Elemental Resistance stack?

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

05 Dec 2007 at 16:47 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by biatalie

Do Mantra of Flame and Elemental Resistance stack? Both stances.
So no.

Ares Ainia

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

Edinbugger, Scotland

New Order Of Blackhearts [NooB]

Rt/Me

05 Dec 2007 at 16:49 - 8

my mistake, should of checked before spraffing

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

05 Dec 2007 at 16:50 - 9

Just an Obsidian Flesh + Glyph of Swiftness Earth build. Maybe an Obsidian Flame to kill him faster.

mweed

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/E

05 Dec 2007 at 17:19 - 10

This is sad. The only way a necro can fight an ele is by using secondaries? I guess necros are useless. So much for balance.

You'd be better off taking a different primary. SR is useless in pvp so you're basicly playing an empty class.

Lima

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Notts

W/

05 Dec 2007 at 17:26 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by mweed

This is sad. The only way a necro can fight an ele is by using secondaries? I guess necros are useless. So much for balance.

You'd be better off taking a different primary. SR is useless in pvp so you're basicly playing an empty class. lol so just because a Necro can't beat an Ele it makes it an empty class? Now I don't play Necro much so I'm not clear of it's full potential... but surely it can beat other proffessions with it's primary attributes. And even then like others have said, Obsi Flesh and glyph of swift is only 2 ele skills. After that just pack 6 other necro skills and do some pwnin...

mweed

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/E

05 Dec 2007 at 17:42 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lima

lol so just because a Necro can't beat an Ele it makes it an empty class? Now I don't play Necro much so I'm not clear of it's full potential... but surely it can beat other proffessions with it's primary attributes. And even then like others have said, Obsi Flesh and glyph of swift is only 2 ele skills. After that just pack 6 other necro skills and do some pwnin... I'm saying anything you put on a necros bar will work better with a different primary because SR doesn't work in pvp (at least without gimmicks). And I'm saying it's an empty class because, in pvp, it's like playing a class that doesn't have a primary.

Believe me I wish SR had some non-gimmick use in pvp, it's my favorite class. But everytime I log on and try to put skills on my bar, I notice that almost every necro skill works better with a different primary.

Terraban

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

05 Dec 2007 at 18:10 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by mweed

I'm saying anything you put on a necros bar will work better with a different primary because SR doesn't work in pvp (at least without gimmicks). And I'm saying it's an empty class because, in pvp, it's like playing a class that doesn't have a primary.

Believe me I wish SR had some non-gimmick use in pvp, it's my favorite class. But everytime I log on and try to put skills on my bar, I notice that almost every necro skill works better with a different primary. Lawl you made a funny

Pick Me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Thornill, ON, Canada

THE CANUCK MONKS (TCM)

W/R

05 Dec 2007 at 18:55 - 14

[skill]soul leech[/skill] or [skill]spiteful spirit[/skill]
[skill]mark of subversion[/skill]
[skill]plague touch[/skill]
[skill]desecrate enchantments[/skill]
[skill]vampiric touch[/skill]
[skill]strip enchantment[/skill]
[skill]enfeebling touch[/skill]
[skill]inspired hex[/skill]

ender6

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/

05 Dec 2007 at 19:01 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Go /me, get power block, degen spells, win.
Go /A, toxic chill, augury, deathly chill, signet of toxic shock. My first thoughts as well. Mesmer secondary with Power Block as your {E} and it will be a laugh fest as all of his skills are rendered useless.

[skill]power block[/skill]
@PickMe Mark of Subversion? This is a 1v1, no?

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

05 Dec 2007 at 19:05 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by mweed

This is sad. The only way a necro can fight an ele is by using secondaries? I guess necros are useless. So much for balance.

You'd be better off taking a different primary. SR is useless in pvp so you're basicly playing an empty class. lol

Yes i'm sure you've never heard of warrior hate?

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

05 Dec 2007 at 19:08 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by mweed

This is sad. The only way a necro can fight an ele is by using secondaries? I guess necros are useless. So much for balance.

You'd be better off taking a different primary. SR is useless in pvp so you're basicly playing an empty class. balence and 1v1 are not a good combo.

Should be a walk over against a fire ele just bring soul leech and kite his spells ^^.

boogerboy72

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Scar]

N/Me

05 Dec 2007 at 19:15 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by boogerboy72

or you could just 55 it.

55+sv=gg. 123456789101112

Pick Me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Thornill, ON, Canada

THE CANUCK MONKS (TCM)

W/R

05 Dec 2007 at 19:39 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by ender6

My first thoughts as well. Mesmer secondary with Power Block as your {E} and it will be a laugh fest as all of his skills are rendered useless.

[skill]power block[/skill]
@PickMe Mark of Subversion? This is a 1v1, no? Sorry, I don't PvP or go one on one, so I thought Mark of Subversion would interupt an Attunement. Guess not?

If not, then use Mantra of Flame.

mweed

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/E

05 Dec 2007 at 19:41 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

lol

Yes i'm sure you've never heard of warrior hate? But why use those skills with a necro primary? Wouldn't you rather have a primary that has some use in pvp? The point I'm trying to make is that the primary is useless, not the skills.

As a side question, weren't the "Warrior Hate" hexes nerfed? It's been a while sense I played sense the necro nerf.

Zodiak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Gatineau, Qc, Canada

Kiss of Anguish [KISS]

P/W

05 Dec 2007 at 19:48 - 21

Power Block +Atrophy = Wanding Ele lol

See what an Ele can do with All attribute spells down and no energy

Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

N/

05 Dec 2007 at 20:12 - 22

You should go fight this guy instead.

biatalie

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

SHOE

R/

05 Dec 2007 at 21:01 - 23

LOL
I think my duel opponent is going to use on me some thing like this.

AND

Everyone, thank you very much for all the suggestions!

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

05 Dec 2007 at 23:06 - 24

I'd just run a blood guy with Rend Enchantments. Life Transfer is actually fairly solid 1v1.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

06 Dec 2007 at 00:05 - 25

Alright so 1v1 is probably the most futile exercise available to a Guild Wars player. It's stone paper scissors no matter what you do. People bringing lame trash like Obsidian Flesh, Shadow Form etc to a 1v1 only further illustrates this point.

That said beating a "Fire Ele" should normally be a walk in the park with a necromancer.

Blood Drinker - Angorodon's Gaze - Vampiric Gaze - Strip Enchantment

^ That should alone could be enough without using a secondary.

If you want to make it deadly easy, remember that most popular fire ele skills have atrocious casting time. Just max out a secondary, like Illusion.

Frustration - Arcane Conundrum - <Interrupt>

Expunge Enchantments - Disrupting Dagger versus Obsidian Flesh or Shadow Form

Bring any elite you feel like.

DDL

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

06 Dec 2007 at 00:21 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by mweed

But why use those skills with a necro primary? Wouldn't you rather have a primary that has some use in pvp? The point I'm trying to make is that the primary is useless, not the skills. Unless of course you want, say...16 (or, well, anything above 12) in a necro attribute.

Sometimes it makes a substantial difference.

Draikin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

06 Dec 2007 at 00:24 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

Blood Drinker - Angorodon's Gaze - Vampiric Gaze - Strip Enchantment

^ That should alone could be enough without using a secondary. Add Soul Leech, Rend Enchantments and Hex Breaker to that and you have the build I use to counter the typical Mind Blast + Mystic Regen E/D build in Hero Battles.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

06 Dec 2007 at 02:43 - 28

I'm going to assume that:
(1) Your intelligence on his build is accurate (You have considered the possibility that he's trying to trick you about what he'll be using, right?), and
(2) You want a "pure" necro solution.

So, let's look at his build and how we can beat it:

(1) He's got dual attunements.
We can strip these with Gaze of Contempt and/or Rend Enchantments, forcing him to spend time and energy to replace them.
We can punish him for replacing them with Mark of Subversion.
We can punish him for having them up with Desecrate and/or Defile Enchantments.

(2) He's going going to light you on fire.
Light him on fire (and put yourself out) using Plague Touch.

(3) He's going to use a DoTAoE (SH) and a projectile (fireball).
Dodge them.

(4) He's going to rely on casting for most of his damage.
Punish him for casting while healing yourself with Soul Leech.

(5) His DPS is better than yours.
Sad but true, a necro can't keep up with an ele DPS-wise without minions or adjacent targets. So, you're going to have to use life steal.
Life Siphon is a great fire-and-forget option.
If you think he's smart enough to stop casting under Soul Leech and start wanding you, Blood of the Aggressor could pay off big time.
Since you'll be on fire, Angorodon's Gaze should work great (or you can proc it yourself with blood drinker).
Vampiric Gaze is also decent.
Finally, you could forego Soul Leech and use Life Xfer.

Lord Natural

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada

Black Crescent [BC]

W/

06 Dec 2007 at 07:39 - 29

[skill]life transfer[/skill][skill]life siphon[/skill][skill]parasitic bond[/skill][skill]rend enchantments[/skill][skill]shadow strike[/skill][skill]vampiric gaze[/skill][skill]strip enchantment[/skill]

and [skill]protective spirit[/skill] or [skill]distracting shot[/skill]

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

06 Dec 2007 at 08:42 - 30

Not that any of them are particularily attractive but I'd actually prefer Soul Leech versus Life Transfer. At least Soul Leech doesn't have a thirty seconds recharge, and can be kept up more than half the time. If he doesn't cast for more than half the time, I say that's a pretty decent use of an elite slot.

Seriously tho...

Migraine - Frustration - Power Drain - Power Return - Blood Drinker - Angorodon's Gaze - Life Siphon - Rend Enchantments

Illusion 12 Blood Magic 12 Curses 3

Seriously that should trash him.

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

W/

06 Dec 2007 at 10:30 - 31

Knock off the enchantments and the ele will floundering trying to kill you

boarderx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

[PIG]

06 Dec 2007 at 21:27 - 32

spoil victor + backfire might be a fun one

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sardelec yelling at Tenshi

Angels Of Strife

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06 Dec 2007 at 21:32 - 33

55 sv is always a fun one to use on 1v1 eles.

Or degen blackout. Yes this one is kinda bad buts its fun to watch them cry while degening and not being able to cast anything about it.

boogerboy72

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Scar]

N/Me

07 Dec 2007 at 01:24 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

55 sv is always a fun one to use on 1v1 eles.
ive only posted that twice now.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

07 Dec 2007 at 01:30 - 35

Somehow I feel every post in this thread further illustrates my point on how much 1v1s suck.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

07 Dec 2007 at 01:33 - 36

1v1 is bad....
but use anticaster mes skills and blood necro skills and watch anyone cringe anyway anywhere

Solus Spartan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

Australia

[Lawl]

Mo/

08 Dec 2007 at 04:42 - 37

Soul leech + Mark of Sub. Nuff said.

Brian the Gladiator

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Michigan, USA

Us Are Not [leet]

E/

10 Dec 2007 at 19:51 - 38

Are you people kidding me???

How can you guys not know the correct thing to own a Fire nuker in a 1v1. Let me break it down for you.

The Ranger class is the best choice for this duel because:

- The ranger has +30 armor against elemental damage
- The ranger has interrupts to further mitigate damage
- The ranger can deal a decent amount of damage with Burning arrow OR Sloth Hunters shot OR Screaming Shot

OK, i know its not a necro but its the closest thing that a ranger can offer (let the flaming begin)

[skill]vampiric touch[/skill][skill]vampiric bite[/skill][skill]offering of blood[/skill][skill]zojun's haste[/skill][skill]dodge[/skill][skill]throw dirt[/skill][skill]lightning reflexes[/skill][skill]distracting shot[/skill]
Attributes:
Expertise --> 12+1+3
Blood Magic --> 12

OK, i know you aren't usually supposed to use a bow and D-shot in a touchie bar, but against a fire ele that might have echo metoer shower, just use a bow and D-shot his Meteor shower and he will die before you even get close to running out of energy. If you are decent at weapon swapping, you can bring a bow in a second swap for D-shot and still use a staff if you want.

GG Nubz

Carboplatin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

[PIG]

W/A

11 Dec 2007 at 02:27 - 39

its it a friend and you are playing for fun i would...

N/W

16 curse, rest in swordmanship and bring an icy weapon.

Spinal Shiver
Barbs

don't think you would need anything else, but that leaves u 6 free slots to do whatever they hell u want. 4 bars of regen to power spinal, just all the adrenaline for some sword attacks and thats it.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

11 Dec 2007 at 04:26 - 40

An icy weapon won't trigger Barbs.