Hi Guys,
So I just started to get my hands on the Derv Elites. I've captured the Avatars etc...and while I REALLY wanted to like playing as an avatar...I just wasn't greatly impressed. Speaking strictly PVE based, the Avatars swing waaaaay too slow. Even with Heart of Fury to speed it up. While playing PVE 95% of the time you want to bring Eternal Aura, to keep you Avvie up around the clock. Well that seems to be a waste of a good slot. Of the Avvies I thought Lyssa, was the best "all around" . Huge MP boost, and the ability to do heavy damage to critters using a skill. But still I thought the damage per second (since she swings so slow) was less then just a buffed normal Derv. What I liked about Melandru and Dwayna, was the immunity. So...considering all that I started toying with VoS, to have both immunity, and a high DPS.
Playing with VoS I thought it was critical to bring along Signet of Pious Light, to strip it +(health) if I was in trouble and needed a monk to heal me. I run a pretty balanced build with skills equally distributed in Myst, Earth & Scythe. Piling on the the buffs then covering with VoS...hitting good and fast with increased IAS at the same time, being immune to silly hexes (PVE based) or MoB spells. All the while being ready to yank of VoS if it gets too heated so I can heal and have monk help. Ok so long story short. How come this skill is rarely used? Is there something Im not seeing? This is what I'm running below and it works pretty well.
Scythe 11+1 (12)
Earth 10+2 (12)
Myst 9+1+2 (12)
Conviction ( like it because it can float under VoS)
Vow of Silence
Mystic Sweep
Victorious Sweep or Lyssa Assalt
Sig of Pious Light
Rez
Vital Boon
Mystic Regen
VoS Build?
br0thergr1m
~ Dan ~
Congrats, you just copied an equally poor build about 2 threads down.
And what's with this "swings too slow" crap. Avatars don't come with a built-in IAS. Add it.
[skill]Heart of Fury[/skill] *gasp*
EDIT: They also do not swing slower than being out of form.
And what's with this "swings too slow" crap. Avatars don't come with a built-in IAS. Add it.
[skill]Heart of Fury[/skill] *gasp*
EDIT: They also do not swing slower than being out of form.
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If you don't want to use an avatar, just use Wounding Strike to blow shit up.
boarderx
im not fan of VoSilence in a team at all, monks cant heal you and you cant heal yourself all you can do if you get in trouble is run
Irish Ranger
I wouldn't bother even trying even trying mate. For some reason people like Dan feel the urge to be ar*eholes all the time. Dan do you realise the world does not revolve around you and your opinions? If you don't agree with something you try to be constructive and discuss, not come across like an idiot who vents their anger in a games forum.
I hope you're young and i can put it down to immaturity because otherwise you have a serious problem. No one would put up with your attitude in real life so why should we have to on this forum?
I hope you're young and i can put it down to immaturity because otherwise you have a serious problem. No one would put up with your attitude in real life so why should we have to on this forum?
br0thergr1m
Meh, Im mature enough to shrug it off.
But i really really think a normal derv with IAS hits faster than an Avatar with the same IAS. The avatars animation is slow like swinging a baseball bat.
Anyway I guess it works for me (VoS) build, ive been doing wonders with it and thats all that matters. I went out looking for opinions and I got them. Thanks.
And, I dont know whats with this "I cant heal myself" stuff... All I do is activate my sig, which removes VoS giving me about 100 heal, use the sig again to rip of vital boon, then reapply VoS. Plenty of heal for all i need. True though, monks cant touch you but neither can 80% of everything else.
But i really really think a normal derv with IAS hits faster than an Avatar with the same IAS. The avatars animation is slow like swinging a baseball bat.
Anyway I guess it works for me (VoS) build, ive been doing wonders with it and thats all that matters. I went out looking for opinions and I got them. Thanks.
And, I dont know whats with this "I cant heal myself" stuff... All I do is activate my sig, which removes VoS giving me about 100 heal, use the sig again to rip of vital boon, then reapply VoS. Plenty of heal for all i need. True though, monks cant touch you but neither can 80% of everything else.
~ Dan ~
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If this is what i get from you after spending like 10 mins typing advice for you.. then in the future, i will leave idiots to play their shitty builds.
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And, I dont know whats with this "I cant heal myself" stuff... All I do is activate my sig, which removes VoS giving me about 100 heal, use the sig again to rip of vital boon, then reapply VoS. Plenty of heal for all i need. True though, monks cant touch you but neither can 80% of everything else.
But the thing is, you can only do that every 10 secs. Because if VoS isn't recharged before you use that healing, you're defying the point of the build.
Coloneh
you cannot use VoS on a team with a monk. I dont know what your problem with avatars is? swing to low? a good AoL build will hit for about 100 damage on every swing.
Irish Ranger
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Lol. It's not a good elite for general use, that's all there is to it. If you ask experts, take their advice rather than feeling you are right, not them. I gave you advice, but instead of answer my simple question about DoA monsters > conviction, you went off flaming.
If this is what i get from you after spending like 10 mins typing advice for you.. then in the future, i will leave idiots to play their shitty builds. But the thing is, you can only do that every 10 secs. Because if VoS isn't recharged before you use that healing, you're defying the point of the build. I said that Dan because you don't come across as very friendly. I don't see the point in being aggressive on an internet forum. If people are looking for help then help without the attitude or don't help at all. Slagging people off because they made a build you don't like isn't going to achieve anything. I appreciate the advice you gave after the attitude but then i saw you did the same thing to this guy lol Ok end of, live and let live etc just try to be a bit more friendly, it's not hard. 
~ Dan ~
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I said that Dan because you don't come across as very friendly. I don't see the point in being aggressive on an internet forum. If people are looking for help then help without the attitude or don't help at all. Slagging people off because they made a build you don't like isn't going to achieve anything. I appreciate the advice you gave after the attitude but then i saw you did the same thing to this guy lol
Ok end of, live and let live etc just try to be a bit more friendly, it's not hard.
I don't need to be friendly. I get to the point, i tell you what you need to know. If someone's build is shit, there's no need to be all nice about it. You just tell them it's shit, say why, offer pointers, and be done. I gave you advice, whether you took it or not was your choice.I didn't slag you off because i didn't like VoS either. I said to drop vital boon and pious sig, after which you started crying and flaming. Not my problem. So yea, at the end of the day i can be friendly. My first reply in your thread offered advice, and asked a question (which you never answered /sigh). There was no flaming at that point. You brought it on yourself with your ignorant response. br0thergr1m
I'm not understanding...doesnt that Sig of Pious Recharge instantly if an Enchantment is removed? With 2-3 enchants on why cant I just rip it off VoS, go to the next one, so on. 10 secs? Am I missing something?
~ Dan ~
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I'm not understanding...doesnt that Sig of Pious Recharge instantly if an Enchantment is removed? With 2-3 enchants on why cant I just rip it off VoS, go to the next one, so on. 10 secs? Am I missing something?
You rip off VoS. Then every enchant ripped off thereafter until VoS is recharged means you will be getting pummelled by spells. The point of VoS is to stop that.
br0thergr1m
no it wasnt swinging too low, just that the attack speed I felt I could do more damage and put differetn skills on the bar then an avatar and Eternal. That was all...
Irish Ranger
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I don't need to be friendly. I get to the point, i tell you what you need to know. If someone's build is shit, there's no need to be all nice about it. You just tell them it's shit, say why, offer pointers, and be done. I gave you advice, whether you took it or not was your choice.
I didn't slag you off because i didn't like VoS either. I said to drop vital boon and pious sig, after which you started crying and flaming. Not my problem. So yea, at the end of the day i can be friendly. My first reply in your thread offered advice, and asked a question (which you never answered /sigh). There was no flaming at that point. You brought it on yourself with your ignorant response. "When using VoS you need to limit yourself to 1/4 sec enchants to minimize the downtime in between VoS castings. So vital boon is no good here..andthe combo of that + pious sig is.. meh at best. I'm slightly worried that you don't need monk support in DoA, of all places. Are you lightbringer rank 154?" That was your 1st post. Now if you actually read what my post was to start the thread you think that was advice? What question did i not answer? Am i LB rank 154? Come on. What's all this i tell it like it is attitude lol It's a bloody forum on tactics on a computer game, you're not the next bloody Bill Hicks ffs lol If you think a build is shit, it doesn't mean it's shit. Maybe in your world it does. Advice isn't dictating your opinion to someone and chastising people for not thinking the exact same way you do. Anyway i'm tired of this, agree to disagree. Keep up the good work. ~ Dan ~
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I'm slightly worried that you don't need monk support in DoA, of all places. Are you lightbringer rank 154?" That was your 1st post. Now if you actually read what my post was to start the thread you think that was advice? What question did i not answer? Am i LB rank 154? Come on. |
The advice? To limit yourself to 1/4 sec enchants and drop boon + sig of pious. You don't view that as advice it seems, simply because you chose to ignore it and blab on with your own crap.
Quote: What's all this i tell it like it is attitude lol It's a bloody forum on tactics on a computer game, you're not the next bloody Bill Hicks ffs lol Do i chat on about what the weather is like? Do i give half a paragraph in trying to find a nice way to say "sorry that build sucks"..? No, i get to the point, just like i said i do. Cheers.
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If you think a build is shit, it doesn't mean it's shit. Maybe in your world it does.
It means imo, it's shit. I've played Dervish long enough now to have a fair idea what skills are and aren't crap. Maybe the fact that all the other replies were also against using VoS says that you are wrong. Please, next time you start a thread, don't contradict yourself. You say you are not an expert, and ask for opinions from experts. When they give one, you defend your shit build even though they know better. l2listen
MBP
Ok the build is still pretty bad...Dan explained why and I agree. He is one of the more experienced derv players on here and when I post my derv questions..I'm usually hoping on a reply from him. He may be a little harsh but who cares. Get over the fact that he didn't like this build or yours Irish, you got advice on how to fix it. Stop crying and move on.
boarderx
it just seems that it is a waste of an elite if all your gonna do is remove it. If it works for you then go for it but i wouldnt suggest it in a team build.
Coloneh
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no it wasnt swinging too low, just that the attack speed I felt I could do more damage and put differetn skills on the bar then an avatar and Eternal. That was all...
you were wrong, bring HoF
ensoriki
Why dont you just be a warrior if you want to survive crap and deal DPS.
You dont even need to make remake your character [card]Avatar of balthazar[/card] And take [card]Mending[/card] Or I dunno you could do a Wind dervish build, which are very fun
draxynnic
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The avatars may look like they're swinging slower because they each have the animations of the favoured profession of the deity swinging a two-handed weapon. The Dervish, however, has its own animations, which involves faster swings but a lot spinning and twirling of the scythe (and, I believe, hammer if you're using one) to built up momentum in between swings. Either way, both the avatared and un-avatared Dervish have the same attack speed - once every 1.75 seconds for a scythe. It just looks like the un-avatared Dervish is doing more due to the more elaborate animations.
Sirius-NZ
Biggest problem with this build is the lack of any IAS skill. As has been stated above, Dervishes have the same attack speed whether in an avatar or not; for this reason, a Lyssa build with Heart of Fury will do far more damage than this one will.
Problem is it's really tricky to get a good IAS skill using Vow of Silence; you'd need a stance (Frenzy is probably a bad idea) or some other non-spell skill. Pious Fury would trigger, but it would also kill the entire point of taking Vow of Silence. Best choice for a Dervish-only build is sadly Whirling Charge, which falls under Wind Prayers... but you'd probably do better finding a skill from another class (Assassin or Warrior most likely). The other way of dealing with the low attack speed is taking several timed-attack skills, such as Mystic Sweep, Eremite's Attack and Protector's Strike. I'd only recommend VoS for special situations, though... in general it's too much of a pain to use, with not enough benefit (most spells aren't going to hurt you THAT much). br0thergr1m
I just breezed through and got survivor on this crappy build LOL... I think I come here looking for ideas. I skip through the attitudes, and maybe my build isnt the same cookie cutter build that everyone runs. I dont know. What I do know is that it works. This junk about having to strip VOS and The signet....pffft. I can be down around 100 hp and that returns me to full health stripping the 2 enchants. I simply slap Mystic Regen back on, cover with Boon and keep going at it. This nonsense about people slipping in attacks etc...lol let them. My derv has enough armor to absorb it. My VOS lasts 9 secs. Recharge of 10. If it gets interrupted, sure just fine, it doesnt affect me. I havent even come close to dying on the tiny island of istan, and have been farming solo. I'm sure there are other builds that put out more damage protect better yadda yadda, this is working great for me.
Full Metal X
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I just breezed through and got survivor on this crappy build LOL... I think I come here looking for ideas. I skip through the attitudes, and maybe my build isnt the same cookie cutter build that everyone runs. I dont know. What I do know is that it works. This junk about having to strip VOS and The signet....pffft. I can be down around 100 hp and that returns me to full health stripping the 2 enchants. I simply slap Mystic Regen back on, cover with Boon and keep going at it. This nonsense about people slipping in attacks etc...lol let them. My derv has enough armor to absorb it. My VOS lasts 9 secs. Recharge of 10. If it gets interrupted, sure just fine, it doesnt affect me. I havent even come close to dying on the tiny island of istan, and have been farming solo. I'm sure there are other builds that put out more damage protect better yadda yadda, this is working great for me.
You're still running a sub-optimal build, that could be better.
Sir Pandra Pierva
Damn Now I wanna see a hammer derv.
Avatars look slow as hell when attacking. Usually vital boon plus sig gets you back to pretty much full health. Survivor isn't hard to get. Specially on the noob island, if that is istan I dont even keep track of what island is called what in NF, Honestly I am not sure why you like vos so much I have only found it good for running, but the build is extreamly sub par I would like to see it run when you get off that island and into the Domains. ~ Dan ~
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and have been farming solo
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