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Buyer's remorse for that LCD TV? OK. For that $40 video game? No.
Buyer's remorse: Eye of the North
Olim Chill
Buyer's remorse for that LCD TV? OK. For that $40 video game? No.
Aerian_Skybane
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Originally Posted by Nekretaal
GWEN was announced in February in the same magazine article that announced GW2. You could see then that all of the marketing resources and developer attention was already on GW2. The article talked about flaws in Guild wars... those were things that the developers were aware of, thought worsened gameplay, and yet were not going to fix in GWEN. These Devs knew they were releasing a flawed product and, reading behind the lines, you could see that way back then.
"Our product is flawed and here's how its flawed but we arent going to fix it in this expansion we have for sale" is VERY DAMNING to hear from a developer. So I waited. I wanted to play GWEN, but saw no point in being an early adopter or paying full price. I thought it was worth about the same price to me as a budget console game. I picked up my copy of GWEN last week for $20, the price I thought it was worth way back when... I got my copy for the price I wanted to pay for it, but I missed out on the early exploration of dungeons (before the cookie cutters formed), missed out on the bonus pack, and missed out on the bonus pre-order weapons. I'm fine with all that. |
I can't quite see how GWEN is flawed, it still has sold pretty well compared to most video games, and the reviews mostly are flawed themselves, with about 50% that I have read giving negative connotations because they felt it was tough for a new player. The switch to expansion format stunned most retail reviewers, and didn't quite get through to a lot of people. I personally enjoy GW:EN so far, its fun and gorgeous, two things I appreciate a lot in a video game.
I doubt GWEN was shoved on us as you speculate, it was a big departure from their standard gameplay style and execution. People seem to think textures and skins are the core of a game, well I am sorry to be you.
And of COURSE they are focusing on GW2 you moron, its going to be their next flagship, if you couldn't figure that out then I am trying to figure out how you found your way to use the magic box you are typing on. Your doomsaying just makes yourself look small in the grand scheme of things, and on top of it all, I feel I must remind most people, QQers and fanboys alike, this is a video game, not real life.
EDIT: I apologize for redirecting the argument towards a GW:EN, good or bad scenario, as the OP is speaking of value of purchase, not the distinct abilities of the product itself.
Rocky Raccoon
Caveat Emptor or "Let the buyer beware".
Redvex
I hope only the gwen is not the last expansion/chapter
Alex the Great
ha ha anet screwed you over to fund GW2
i paid for it and enjoyed it
i paid for it and enjoyed it
cebalrai
GWEN is the longest campaign. Unless you want to skip the dungeons which are the best part. Why people want to skip the best/longest parts and call the game lame/short is beyond me.
Alleji
I bought Burning Crusade for $40 in august and now it's $20, am I complaining? Nope. Because that's 40$ spent much better than on anet's distilled failure.
Rocky Raccoon
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I bought Burning Crusade for $40 in august and now it's $20, am I complaining? Nope. Because that's 40$ spent much better than on anet's distilled failure.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
I think your opinion might be better suited to a WoW forum not here.
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Faowri
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Im very happy with the content I recieved from eye of the north and for the money I spent on it.
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I think GW:EN was a bargain. As games get older, prices drop. If you don't expect that, you must not pay much attention to game prices XD
IslandHermet
Just 1 thing (this is a bit odd)
Free GW:EN for 3 days+rewards,
How about for the rest of us who bought GW:EN get the Free BMP for 3 days and rewards?<-legit question I want Gaile or Andrew to answer.
As for GW:EN IMHO nothing to hype about it.
The NPCs talk more trash then most football players, only most football players can back up the talk, the GW:EN NPCs can not.
A lot of reskined monsters and armor and weapons.
To many dungeons that were reused.
It is a little sad that the destroyers get owned by the charr.
The game its self felt half assed and rushed.
Free GW:EN for 3 days+rewards,
How about for the rest of us who bought GW:EN get the Free BMP for 3 days and rewards?<-legit question I want Gaile or Andrew to answer.
As for GW:EN IMHO nothing to hype about it.
The NPCs talk more trash then most football players, only most football players can back up the talk, the GW:EN NPCs can not.
A lot of reskined monsters and armor and weapons.
To many dungeons that were reused.
It is a little sad that the destroyers get owned by the charr.
The game its self felt half assed and rushed.
Nittle Grasper
I had to pay $50 goddamn dollars and that's before Canadian money was higher than America. What was even worse was that I had no no choice to buy it for $50. Now it's $20? You've got to joking.
EPO Bot
Ferengi rule number one: "Once you got their money, NEVER give it back."
This argument about GWEN being too short is dumb. I bought it when it came out, and i still didn't do all dungeons. The ammount of gameplay is large enoughn, but you need to "delve deeper" to find it. Get it? "delve" Oh joy...
This argument about GWEN being too short is dumb. I bought it when it came out, and i still didn't do all dungeons. The ammount of gameplay is large enoughn, but you need to "delve deeper" to find it. Get it? "delve" Oh joy...
Lord Xeshm
I waited for a sale and picked it up for $29.99 on sale(3 weeks after launch lawl). Regular prices at Canadian retailers was $49.99. No remorse here.
ensoriki
First release buyers usually regret it.
Wtf do you think happened to early Iphone and ps3 adopters.
Wtf do you think happened to early Iphone and ps3 adopters.
Mordakai
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I think your opinion might be better suited to a WoW forum not here.
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All WoW fans are, they just don't know it yet.
Aleta
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Originally Posted by Coridan
i agree that GWEN was too expensive for what we got. less than half the content of a normal campaign...no new classes or char slots....its a shame...although i bought it and enjoy it...it seems as if the BMP (which is why i bought it from the online store) will soon be released as a seperate purchase.
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So the Whiners about the bonus pak win again lol.
They sure win alot in this game. *looks at all the char slots to get the bonus and the Gwen expansion*
I don't have buyers remorse exactly but it amazes me that, if it's true about BMP that I even bothered with the online store since all I would have need to do is complain loudly and long enough
Davros Uitar
Happy with what I got for the price - do not agree with OP - like EOTN.
These threads tend to attract the victim complexes as well as those with a reasonable gripe, so no surprise the thread attracts much more negative than positive comments.
These threads tend to attract the victim complexes as well as those with a reasonable gripe, so no surprise the thread attracts much more negative than positive comments.
stretchs
Definitely understand the OP's sentiment about not exactly being completely happy with the price we paid for the product. I am not asking for a refund or anything, more just surprised the little we got for the money.
For $40 we received
No char slots
10 new skills per class
No new cappable elites and a couple pve only elites.
No new professions
A story line that can be breezed through in less than a day.
For $50 in the past
Could receive 1 new slot (2 for prerelease)
5x more skills than we got in GW:EN including cappable elites.
More storage per chapter
So does it seem a bit like we got a bit less than what we previously had received for our money, imo yes, but still fun stuff
For $40 we received
No char slots
10 new skills per class
No new cappable elites and a couple pve only elites.
No new professions
A story line that can be breezed through in less than a day.
For $50 in the past
Could receive 1 new slot (2 for prerelease)
5x more skills than we got in GW:EN including cappable elites.
More storage per chapter
So does it seem a bit like we got a bit less than what we previously had received for our money, imo yes, but still fun stuff
upier
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Eye of the North was just a stupid unnecessary marketing gimmick that we all fell for.
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Definitely understand the OP's sentiment about not exactly being completely happy with the price we paid for the product. I am not asking for a refund or anything, more just surprised the little we got for the money.
For $40 we received No char slots 10 new skills per class No new cappable elites and a couple pve only elites. No new professions A story line that can be breezed through in less than a day. For $50 in the past Could receive 1 new slot (2 for prerelease) 5x more skills than we got in GW:EN including cappable elites. More storage per chapter So does it seem a bit like we got a bit less than what we previously had received for our money, imo yes, but still fun stuff |
Face it - A.Net is a company like any other who will screw it's customers to make a profit!
And there is nothing wrong with that! (Well UNLESS you're the customer but seriously ....)
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by upier
Hey, some of us didn't get it - so we most definitely don't feel ripped off!
The only reason why people are disappointed is because they expected more from A.Net.Face it - A.Net is a company like any other who will screw it's customers to make a profit! And there is nothing wrong with that! (Well UNLESS you're the customer but seriously ....) |
Do you really think ANET is actively trying to lose customers?
upier
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If you screw your customers, they won't come back and then you have nothing.
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See - those people are getting screwed and they don't even know it!
But when we start to bitch just a tiny bit too much ... poof ... here is a new mini!
(Btw - screwing a customer doesn't mean only kicking them in the nuts so hard that they fall off, it's also giving them less then they expect or are used to!)
Vinraith
I've had more fun playing GWEN than I did Factions and Nightfall put together (and I had fun playing Factions and Nightfall, mind you). Between the unbelievable number of side quests, the multitude of dungeons, and the short but repeatable main story missions I've also been playing it longer than Factions or Nightfall (whose uninspired side quests didn't attract much attention, causing me to just blow through the relatively brief main story missions). Add in some of the best armors in the game (reskins or not, show me a cooler looking armor set than female monument necro), lots of green hunting, and a handful of interesting new skills and what's to complain about? I'm sorry, but I can't remotely bring myself to feel "ripped off," nor can I understand people that say they were.
Aerian_Skybane
Ahh, Upier, you are just one of the many that claim big business is out to get you personally. Unless you live in the woods and make your own food and drink, then you are just as much a part of the "system" you are targeting.
Please grow up, there are many adults here that actually have grown up things to discuss.
OP, simply said, there are many things in life people don't like, and those who buy them end up losing money. Companies who "offer up" like EVGAs Step Up program, are rare, and are often done to make the company more money (aka, EVGA can make more money by buying back 2 month old graphics cards and then keep a customer while selling a more recent/upgraded one) anyways.
I am sorry you don't like GWEN, but complaining about your price is absurd. I would love to save more money on gas, and I spent 30 yesterday on a tank but today it would only be 27, WTF? Too bad there is nothing I can do except find a Delorean and get it to run of of trash. Ah well.
Please grow up, there are many adults here that actually have grown up things to discuss.
OP, simply said, there are many things in life people don't like, and those who buy them end up losing money. Companies who "offer up" like EVGAs Step Up program, are rare, and are often done to make the company more money (aka, EVGA can make more money by buying back 2 month old graphics cards and then keep a customer while selling a more recent/upgraded one) anyways.
I am sorry you don't like GWEN, but complaining about your price is absurd. I would love to save more money on gas, and I spent 30 yesterday on a tank but today it would only be 27, WTF? Too bad there is nothing I can do except find a Delorean and get it to run of of trash. Ah well.
upier
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Ahh, Upier, you are just one of the many that claim big business is out to get you personally. Unless you live in the woods and make your own food and drink, then you are just as much a part of the "system" you are targeting.
Please grow up, there are many adults here that actually have grown up things to discuss. OP, simply said, there are many things in life people don't like, and those who buy them end up losing money. Companies who "offer up" like EVGAs Step Up program, are rare, and are often done to make the company more money (aka, EVGA can make more money by buying back 2 month old graphics cards and then keep a customer while selling a more recent/upgraded one) anyways. I am sorry you don't like GWEN, but complaining about your price is absurd. I would love to save more money on gas, and I spent 30 yesterday on a tank but today it would only be 27, WTF? Too bad there is nothing I can do except find a Delorean and get it to run of of trash. Ah well. |
Everyone on the hand ...
I mean you open a business to sell a product. If you sell the product by the price that it was made for - there is no point in selling the product. One gained nothing.
So the price needs to be higher. Not good for the customers but good for the producer.
Thus one is screwing the customers by default!
C2 and C3 were here sold for the same price as GWEN when they launched.
Two are full standalone games - one is an expansion.
Now you do the match.
Now - don't get me wrong - IF I were to ever have my OWN company - I'd do the same!
Why?
Because I'd want to get rich!
Money, money, money! Come to papa!
I don't have a problem with that! My problem is with people who will look at A.Net with love in their eyes and think this isn't happening!
Because A.Net is different!
Come on! If they were different - they'd be out of business!
Witchblade
GWEN's main story can be done + full carto in 2 days... i am glad i didnt pay the full price of this 
The only real thing i am happy to get from GWEN is the lil Charr Hero
The only real thing i am happy to get from GWEN is the lil Charr Hero
MikeV
They are not screwing the customer by default. They are offering them something that was not there before, therefore, you have gained something. You didn't have to buy it, you chose to. You took the risk and didn't personally find the reward. Others did. Maybe you can learn something from it by not jumping in with both feet the minute something is released. Wait for a review and see if it offers what you like. You have no one to blame but yourself.
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there are only about 3 complete dungeons worth of design, the rest is just the same rooms rearranged.
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EinherjarMx
well, I got the BMP, so no regrets
Now, if they start to give it in a new promo, I f**king want divine aura too!
Now, if they start to give it in a new promo, I f**king want divine aura too!
cosyfiep
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I'm a 34 year old professional who makes a pretty good income, so $40 doesn't hurt, I don't feel ripped off.
I'm more disappointed at the lack of content, how it seems half done, half realized. So many recycled armor skins, there are only about 3 complete dungeons worth of design, the rest is just the same rooms rearranged. Disappointed at the product and the development. Was hoping for more. |
Bryant Again
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That is one of the only things that pissed me off. They should be ashamed of themselves for that move.
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Rocky Raccoon
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Not personally of course not!
Everyone on the hand ... I mean you open a business to sell a product. If you sell the product by the price that it was made for - there is no point in selling the product. One gained nothing. So the price needs to be higher. Not good for the customers but good for the producer. Thus one is screwing the customers by default! C2 and C3 were here sold for the same price as GWEN when they launched. Two are full standalone games - one is an expansion. Now you do the match. Now - don't get me wrong - IF I were to ever have my OWN company - I'd do the same! Why? Because I'd want to get rich! Money, money, money! Come to papa! I don't have a problem with that! My problem is with people who will look at A.Net with love in their eyes and think this isn't happening! Because A.Net is different! Come on! If they were different - they'd be out of business! |
Dante the Warlord
I bought GW:EN preview, enjoyed the missions, bought the real game and got the BMP at the same time. It was great and the weapons in the BMP were worth it. PLus i was one of the early birds to do the HoS CR, getting lots of cool things to sell and making a nice cool profit. Who is the winner? I think its me... There are also lots of more players playing the game then then now. So itll be harder to do missions
hurric
That's not it. The bottom line is that ANet built a reputation with the last 3 campaigns and people expected the same (whether it'd be new original armors, more dungeons, bigger story line, more storage or char slots, etc. you name it), but they abused that reputation to deliver a half decent product as soon as possible in order to make profit. People feel ANet has abused their trust in them and when they put down $40 for a game, they expected more (based on the previous experience with their games).
Aerian_Skybane
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That's not it. The bottom line is that ANet built a reputation with the last 3 campaigns and people expected the same (whether it'd be new original armors, more dungeons, bigger story line, more storage or char slots, etc. you name it), but they abused that reputation to deliver a half decent product as soon as possible in order to make profit. People feel ANet has abused their trust in them and when they put down $40 for a game, they expected more (based on the previous experience with their games).
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Whether or not it is good is one thing, which is not really the debate here because every game has lovers and haters. Even Half Life (Blasphemy!), but what we assume hurts us more than reality. You know what happens when we assume.
Neo Nugget
*sigh* i bought 2 copies.......at least i have the BMP.
But dang, the price fell so much faster than any game i've seen on Platinum/Greatest Hits.
But dang, the price fell so much faster than any game i've seen on Platinum/Greatest Hits.