The begining of the death cry, or How to slowly kill a game.

AscalonWarrior

AscalonWarrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kokkola, Finland

Mo/

http://www.emo-corner.com/forums/vie...13dbf46c aee3

That should be the place for you

Darkobra

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

Ok, so I've completed all 4 games to death on most classes. Done everything with no real challenges ahead of me. Yes, I've moved on to other games. (I bought the Golden Axe trilogy amongst other Mega Drive games for the PS2. Old games are far better than the new ones churning out recently.)

Now, they release something for fun to make the game at least a LITTLE more interesting and you want to nerf it saying "THE GAME IS DYING! THE REDCOATS ARE COMING! I CAN'T FEEL MY LEGS!" Uh... Tell you what. How about you actually come back and defend your points rather than making one post and pissing off?

$neekie

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surena
You know what's worse than these useless apocalyptics threads?

People posting and commenting in it, parroting each other with "FAIl" "WHINE LESS", while they could ignore the whole.

I have to agree, some people here cry harder then the op does. Bit anouying on every thread somebody that wants/asks it to be closed, dont like it dont react. Mods do a good job, as far as i can see it....

sry for the off topic..........or to even react

mzzls

17eIvIoN

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Biggyverse

people do realise its a 5 hour trial for level 10's dont they? I doubt any of them will get too far so you can stop crying now ^ ^

Lonesamurai

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by AscalonWarrior
Ok, that forum and the website its on scares me to think that Emo is now a socially acceptable lifestyle..

On topic:
Move along please, nothing more to see here!

glountz

glountz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Mo

Just change game if you're unhappy.
You see, it's just that: a game. You have WoW, or Wii, or sport, or having sex with your girlfriend, if you're bored with GW.
Just stop, take a breath, and come back later.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by glountz
Just change game if you're unhappy.
You see, it's just that: a game. You have WoW, or Wii, or sport, or having sex with your girlfriend, if you're bored with GW.
Just stop, take a breath, and come back later.
Exactly. It's like guru has evolved into wannabe Zinger's now. If the game is dead / dying, sod off. Nobody actually needs to hear that. If that's your view, you don't need to be playing, and you don't need to be trolling the game's fansite(s) either.

These people need to get a life, seriously.

Mr. G

Mr. G

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

S. Wales

Mo/Me

Quote:
Remember how hard your first DoA run was when you didnt have the CC builds that allowed you to steamroll everything if you had the trinity
How difficult it was to get a team that didnt run these builds, each understanding their roles and having exactly the right build and nothing else in order to get to and beat Mallyx? Only players who really understood how to read and who had the correct skillbars could do it.
Fixed for you

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

Shuuuuuuut uuuuuuuuup

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by trobinson97
Your purpose of playing the game isn't THE purpose of playing the game for everyone else. If someone's idea of fun is strolling through the game easily because of an overpowered skill, why would you pity them? They're having fun!
There's a point where something can be so easy that you're not even playing the game.

Let's take Half Life 2 as an example: It has a god mode cheat. You can play it if you want, but all you're really doing is shooting guys and standing there.

When you're made invulnerable, you don't have to worry about bad decisions and their consequences, you don't have to think about more tactical decisions, you don't have to fret about running out of ammo since you can just run up and hit them, etc. etc.

Basically, the game is just dumbed down to a point where you're just looking at pretty graphics and cool effects.

Zorgy

Zorgy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

Paris, France

[any]

W/Me

"...Anet, dont you realise what you are doing to our game? Or are these overpowered skills and eroding of team standards a deliberate attempt to slowly kill it off so that by the time GW2 comes out GW will be unrewarding and unplayable?

By refusing to nerf UB you are telling us that it is deliberate.
Rest in Peace Guildwars. Your death will go forgotten under the bulldozer of capitalism..."

Reading a forum is always fun, I like it wtf !

To the OP, did you ever read that?:

Jeff Strain: How to Create a Successful MMO


http://eu.guildwars.com/press/article/jeffgc2007/

"...Pay close attention to complexity creep. Don’t assume that most of your players are reading your website and consuming information about your game. Most of your players will never read your website, never visit fansites, and never participate in forum discussions. We are often immersed in the community forums and rants and raves posted to game fansites, and it is easy to lose perspective about the knowledge level of most of our players. Players who participate in fansites and send six-page emails to your community team are experts at your game – they probably know more about it than you do – so it’s important to realize that they do not represent the average player. The vast majority of your players are not digging into every detail of every spell or creating lists of animations so that they can react when they see the basilisk twitch its nose. They want to play, not study, so take care to create a game that allows them to do so..."

All of US should read ONCE or AGAIN this great interview....

You will save your time...play instead....or leave US wtf !

Good game & have fun

warcrap

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

somewhere on earth!

E/Me

are you another nerdy WoW fan?

warcrap

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

somewhere on earth!

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by aapo
- Guild Wars 1 is made to be so crappy that everyone wants to buy GW2? I don't follow your train of thought here.



- Yeah I remember how insanely boring it was with 1 health necro saccer bibber and obsidian tank warrior stealing all drops in Stygian Veil.... me doing nothing but casting Heal Party on tank that was radar range away. I played that piece of $h1t for two hours before burn-out. I'm glad there's at least alternatives now.



- Excuse me!?



- So any noob of any profession can actually get something done in the game now? Are you just so full of shit you don't want anyone else to even come near to your precious farming spots? You don't share my sympathy, go jump off a bridge.



- Well guess what? What you did on day one has absolutely no relevance to what game is like today! ANET is making this game based on popular demand and if you want nothing but farm some stupid endgame area alone, you're going to be left out. Haha, I guess you're pissed about loot scaling too, since "every noob out there can have gold items" and you're 55 monking won't get you 100+ectos anymore.



- So you're complaining about elitist jackasses back then and now you've turned into one?











- If "majority of players" would indeed jump off a bridge, I guess you would follow them, because "majority of players" dictate what you can or cannot do in the game. m I rite?



- Yes, long live communism!!!

becareful with those pictures micheal jackson is here.

Im Using The Force

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Primal Fire

N/

If I post here... will this thread disappear too?
Quick Someone quote me & make an attempt at a witty comment fast.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

1) how many people actually haave their pve only skils maxed you? a very small %!

2) Grow up! For the love of god, the game is no dieing and it wont! SHUT UP!

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
GWEN is only made for level 20's. How are level 10's getting in? Unless you mean heroes.
if all else fails dear try reading the instructions.

honestly as bad as trying to get hunny to ask directions

when all else fails read the instructions

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
1) how many people actually haave their pve only skils maxed you? a very small %!
All you need for UB is R4-5. Higher ranks just make it worse.

Not to mention it's not as terribly difficult to up your title on those tracks anymore.

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by BurnTheWitch
Rest in Peace Guildwars. Your death will go forgotten under the bulldozer of capitalism.
Oh Jesus Christ.. melodrama much? How can you seriously post this kind of crap with a straight face? Don't you realize that the rest of us just laugh our asses off at it and then go back to playing our very-obviously-not-dead game?

trobinson97

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
There's a point where something can be so easy that you're not even playing the game.

Let's take Half Life 2 as an example: It has a god mode cheat. You can play it if you want, but all you're really doing is shooting guys and standing there.

When you're made invulnerable, you don't have to worry about bad decisions and their consequences, you don't have to think about more tactical decisions, you don't have to fret about running out of ammo since you can just run up and hit them, etc. etc.

Basically, the game is just dumbed down to a point where you're just looking at pretty graphics and cool effects.
1. Nothing in GuildWars is anywhere close to God mode in HL2. I know anti-UBr's like to exaggerate in an attempt to get their point across by equating UB to it, but it's not the case. Not at all. They know that they are just using hyperbole in a sad (read: very sad) attempt to feel better about how they choose to kill the monsters in PvE.

2. If someone finds playing God mode in HL2 fun, who am I to judge how they enjoy the game they paid for? How does that person playing God mode on his system affect me? Answer: It doesn't. Just because that person is doing it, doesn't mean that I have to as well.

Just like I don't care about some guy running solo through HL2 with Godmode on, I don't care about some team running through DOA using UB. It doesn't affect me. I can still choose not to use God mode on my system, just like I can choose to not use UB, or any skill (pve or otherwise) in my own instance.

I'm convinced this thread is from a regular poster who just wanted to start another UB cry thread without having it tied to his/her main account.

Darkobra

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Im Using The Force
If I post here... will this thread disappear too?
Quick Someone quote me & make an attempt at a witty comment fast.
Your face. What? You said "attempt".

manitoba1073

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

Quote:
Originally Posted by trobinson97
1. Nothing in GuildWars is anywhere close to God mode in HL2. I know anti-UBr's like to exaggerate in an attempt to get their point across by equating UB to it, but it's not the case. Not at all. They know that they are just using hyperbole in a sad (read: very sad) attempt to feel better about how they choose to kill the monsters in PvE.

2. If someone finds playing God mode in HL2 fun, who am I to judge how they enjoy the game they paid for? How does that person playing God mode on his system affect me? Answer: It doesn't. Just because that person is doing it, doesn't mean that I have to as well.

Just like I don't care about some guy running solo through HL2 with Godmode on, I don't care about some team running through DOA using UB. It doesn't affect me. I can still choose not to use God mode on my system, just like I can choose to not use UB, or any skill (pve or otherwise) in my own instance.

I'm convinced this thread is from a regular poster who just wanted to start another UB cry thread without having it tied to his/her main account.
QFT Couldnt have said it better without some serious flammage.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by trobinson97
1. Nothing in GuildWars is anywhere close to God mode in HL2. I know anti-UBr's like to exaggerate in an attempt to get their point across by equating UB to it, but it's not the case. Not at all.
I will agree that comparing it to a God mode feature in any game is a bit of an overkill in general. My point is that UB takes out a lot of thought in playing the game. Of course I don't have to use it, and they don't have to use it. But why introduce something like this in the first place?

And in regards to a lot of people not using it yet, it's been shown frequently in GW that people will run what's easiest.

For a larger post addressing my concerns, click here.

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

All I can say is: El oh El Pee Vee Eee is srs bsns!

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

And with each moment it's getting sadder : ( hold me!

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

"Guild Wars Is Dying!"
10e 10c 604800r
Shout. All allies within earshot switch targets to the nearest corpse of a horse and beat it deader for the next 1..20 pages or until the thread gets locked. [Attribute: Annoyingness]

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
"Guild Wars Is Dying!"
10e 10c 604800r
Shout. All allies within earshot switch targets to the nearest corpse of a horse and beat it deader for the next 1..20 pages or until the thread gets locked. [Attribute: Annoyingness]
I SS'd this post.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by BurnTheWitch

Of course i'm ranting a bit, by the time you reach DoA you must have some understanding of the game mechanics even if you used UB to get there, but its still making things incredibly easy, and destroying all enjoyment for those of us who spend most of our time in those ultra-hard (compared to the rest of the game at least) areas.

Remember how elite DoA used to be? Remember all those frustrated wammos or 'sins begging to be let onto a team? It really annoyed me the first time i arrived there, it seemed so elitist. But as i learned the builds and joined teams it taught me to be a better player and to understand the game, and i remember the satisfaction of finally beating mallyx after many evenings getting pwned by a bit of over aggro after hours in the foundry.

This sentiment is ridiculous, no matter how common it may be. Every area of every GW game is extremely easy, other perhaps than DOA. The phrase "ultra hard areas" has never applied to GW. UB doesn't lessen any challenge, because normal mode is easy to beat any area of the game other than maybe DOA with any semi-sane skillbar; there is no challenge there in the first place to be lessened. Those who think there is are the ones who lack understanding of the game mechanics, far moreso than those who enjoy playing with UB.

It's funny you mention DOA, because no one played in there other than those who use cookie cutter skills (and cookie cutter classes only) exactly like UB. The only difference being UB can be used by every class, and the elitist players who used to have a monopoly on having their cookie cutter builds and cookie cutter classes be the only ones who can "ruin" the game now have some "competition" in that regard, which makes them envious. The frustrated classes weren't frustrated because they didn't understand DOA mechanics, but rather because they were 100% unwelcome to ever even participate in any DOA parties simply by virtue of what class they are. Period.

UB doesn't need more nerfing. It never needed any nerfing. Players complaining about UB making the game "easy" need nerfing. UB just adds one more to an endless list of easy options that are available to masscre any area of the game with. UB is no big deal, and should be unnerfed. All nerfing UB does is take the fun out of having another option to play with, and accomplishes nothing.

Silly Warrior

Silly Warrior

Hold it!

Join Date: Jul 2006

In your local courthouse.

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] (elite PvE, PM)

Ugh...I've seen so many of these threads in the past week...too many to count.

WarKaster

WarKaster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Los Angeles

SlingBlades

D/Mo

Don't mind me I'm just helping the people who read these post for the comedy.
So I figured I would also sum up this thread into one nice neat little package to help everyone one out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
I hereby bestow upon this weekend the title 'Jump the Shark Weekend'
Quote:
Originally Posted by aapo




Quote:
Originally Posted by DRGN
In Soviet Russia, game bitches about YOU!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curse You


That pretty much sums up my thoughts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AscalonWarrior
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
"Guild Wars Is Dying!"
10e 10c 604800r
Shout. All allies within earshot switch targets to the nearest corpse of a horse and beat it deader for the next 1..20 pages or until the thread gets locked. [Attribute: Annoyingness]
the end......

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
"Guild Wars Is Dying!"
10e 10c 604800r
Shout. All allies within earshot switch targets to the nearest corpse of a horse and beat it deader for the next 1..20 pages or until the thread gets locked. [Attribute: Annoyingness]
Very bad with Archane Echo!

WTB GWGuru Staff of Annoyingness.

1 up and 2 down

1 up and 2 down

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by AscalonWarrior
You win this thread.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

Closed. Because I'd have to delete over 1/2 the posts in this thread to clean it up.