which fire elite skill ?

Mind Burn or Searing Flames for PvE ?

Ive been using Mind burn for its low -5 energy cost as opposed to SF which is -15. What do u guys think ?

Mind Blast + Rodgort imo

If you are playing without another SF ele, it becomes a bit cumbersome. Even with another SF ele, the energy use is high and you're likely to get a lot of support from Mind Burn whilst posting here.
It allows you to do significant damage whilst maintaining a high energy reserve. I suggest you try a [skill=text]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill] spamming build, with mind burn to maintain energy levels. Thats the new black nowadays.

Mind Blast > both, by a long way.

Mind blast or savannah heat.

I'd vote for Savannah Heat as well, with the possible exception of when you're playing with other eles running SF.

I was originall skeptical of Mind Blast but after deciding to give it a go, I was simply amazed at its power. In PvE, it's dual attunements without worrying about getting your attunements shattered was a big bonus alone. The fact it can power out so much utility was just awesomesauce

Mind Blast owns

I was a skeptic but with a short recharge massive energy return I can only anet doesnt nerf it.

mind blast ftw.

Fire attunement, Glyph of ele power, Mind Blast, MS, Rodgort's invocation, Intensity, Energy Blast, Generic res.

fire 16, E-storage as much as you can.

I would suggest Mind Blast as well I don't have Rodgorts inovcation I use Incendiary Bonds instead it is the samething .I mostly play Air Ele.

Mind blast is what i have been running, the energy you get is awsome but you need to stay on one target and you have to take some care in what you target to get its full affect.

i used to run Searing flames, its fun but i find it weak compared to mindblast + rodgerts

but if you like the drop and run type AoE i would go savanah.

really it comes down to how you play your ele.

I should have pointed out that I am enquiring for my hero Zhed

Also Mind burn does more than twice as much damage than Mind blast (I'm using it with glowing glaze)

Someone said somewhere that heroes don't use MB effectively, sadly. Haven't tested it out though.

heros' use mind blast pretty well i think, all my fire ele heros run mind blast for thier elite.

mind blast is an extreamly nice elite, target a warrior and you can refill your energy in a few seconds.

Mind Blast + Rodgort spam.


SF is alright, but only really good if you have more than one SF'r.

Hero's don't really run MB well, they use it as a damage skill, not as e-management; thus they happily spam it on some level 24 elementalist with 20+80+9928 energy storage and run out of energy instead of using it on that warrior who only has 20 energy.

Mind burn is awful. Any nightfall fire elite is a fine choice.

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Agreed,
Mind burn (N)!

I personally like Elemental Attunement+Fire Attunement to spam Immolate and Rodgort's Invocation

First of all, for whoever asked, heroes are terrible with Mind Blast, simply terrible. Mind Blast is a non-option on heroes; you're pretty much forced to use dual attunements instead for your Ele heroes if want to run Rodgort's Invocation.

Unfortunately, heroes also happen to be terrible with Rodgort's Invocation as well, which should be the primary damage dealer in a dual attunement build. Heroes simply refuse to spam RI even modestly, while under dual attunements or otherwise. They will actually sit and wand 3 or 4 times in a row at full energy while RI just sits there fully recharged on their bar. The 5 second recharge is completely wasted on them; you'll be very fortunate if they cast it once every 10 seconds. They'll use Fireball on recharge in a dual attunement build, but RI will just sit there, turning them into little more than Fireball bots.

Heroes are MUCH better with SF, which they will actually spam like they're supposed to. They're also good with Wards.
SF + Wards hybrid works super as long as battles don't drag on forever and ever, because they will eventually run dry in really long fights,



Second of all, as far as the Mind Blast vs. SF debate on human Ele's in PvE, I think many people seem to spreading some misinformation.
The reason you run Mind Blast + Rodgort's Invocation is NOT to out-damage SF, because it simply doesn't. The reason you run Mind Blast + RI is two-fold:
1. It clears space on your bar for utility
2. It gives you energy to be able to run utility.
In short, the reason you run Mind Blast + RI is so that you can run utility while still doing a respectable amount of damage. But out-damage SF it does not. In fact, it's not even as close as you would think.
The only way RI can hang with SF is if you echo it. Dual attunements + echo + RI will out-damage SF for 20 seconds, but SF will out-damage it while echo is recharging, so it's pretty much a draw.
[Disclaimer: The obvious exception to all of this is whenever burning is not applicable]

I typically have my ele Heroes set up as Searing Flames Ele's when I'm playing Ele myself. Although I don't often use Ele heroes, the main times that I will are when I'm running an SF pack and need as many SF ele's as possible.

I imgine a hero would be decent at handling a simple Mindblast bar, but the more straightforward the skills, the better a hero will use it meaning they can probably handle an SF bar better.

Just run the standard SF bar with some Wards or a blind (B.Flash or Steam) chucked in. If that doesn't suit you see how they fare with a Mind Blast bar.

Also Mindburn is utter trash for a skill. It's damage may be the highest in the fire line but the fact that it's a Direct Damage spell with a 5 second recharge that causes exhaustion really kills it as you won't be able to get enough mileage out of the spell before you find yourself in a pit of exhaustion.

Actually, heroes run mind blast + RI pretty well. I too use a hybrid bar on them (either wards or extinguish). They never seem to run out of energy. The same can't be said about the SF bar, at least not on my experience. Although I posit others have experienced differently.

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