Transfer Tornament Tokens for Zaishen Keys

william1975

william1975

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Dragons of Torment (DOA)

Me/

08 Dec 2007 at 15:17 - 1
Title says it all really,

I have myself garnered 175 Tournament tokens since I unlocked all skills etc. and up to when these keys were available every time i maxed my Balth faction I transfered them to tokens in the hope that something would come along other than tournaments that i could use them for.

With the introduction of a use for balth points now i would love to be able to transfer 5 tokens for 1 key, as that is the amount of blath used for keys.

This way i get to use my blath faction and get rid of a pile of nearly useless tokens, as i dont enter tournaments much, cant do GvG as not in guild big enough for it, and not usually into doing the HvH, though i do enjoy it rarely.

Please consider this Anet as it would be a nice wee addition to an already great idea

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

08 Dec 2007 at 15:25 - 2
Hm... it sounds plausible... but for now you could try to trade tokens for keys... XD.

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

08 Dec 2007 at 19:58 - 3
/signed. that's the point in buying tokens for months if they are useless?

Diddy bow

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

08 Dec 2007 at 20:04 - 4
/signed

people only bought tokens because they exceded the cap, no reason why poeple who went over the cap then should get less reward than those who do it now.

BlueNovember

BlueNovember

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

WTS GW2 items for Zkey

Mo/

08 Dec 2007 at 23:17 - 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diddy bow
/signed

people only bought tokens because they exceded the cap, no reason why poeple who went over the cap then should get less reward than those who do it now.
^^ Exactly.
/signed

cgruber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Tryst of Vengenance [ToV]

Mo/Me

10 Dec 2007 at 15:40 - 6
/not signed

Won't that have a serious impact on in game economy if suddenly everyone has 500 zaishen keys? For the record I have a stack of tournament tokens myself but I really think it would ruin the game..

ThienThan

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

10 Dec 2007 at 15:43 - 7
SHIT double post HA Ha ha,,,!

ThienThan

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

10 Dec 2007 at 15:45 - 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgruber
/not signed

Won't that have a serious impact on in game economy if suddenly everyone has 500 zaishen keys? For the record I have a stack of tournament tokens myself but I really think it would ruin the game..
Uhmm why do you think ppl suddenly have 500 Keys? 5 Tokens for 1 key, its all the hardwork for Faction anyway. Oh maybe because you did not transfer your own faction to Token before so you dont want anyone who USED their faction for Token getting benefit? Uhmm selfish HA Ha ha....!!! There's no other reason I would think of why you would unsign

/sign

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

10 Dec 2007 at 16:03 - 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThienThan
Uhmm why do you think ppl suddenly have 500 Keys? 5 Tokens for 1 key, its all the hardwork for Faction anyway. Oh maybe because you did not transfer your own faction to Token before so you dont want anyone who USED their faction for Token getting benefit? Uhmm selfish HA Ha ha....!!! There's no other reason I would think of why you would unsign

/sign
any serious PvP'er has got some stacks itself, and deleted even more.

/notsigned. At least we have got a faction dump now. Including the tokens would just flood the market.

ThienThan

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

10 Dec 2007 at 16:07 - 10
So? It's not Baltha Faction right? Oh maybe we hack it for Token guys! Nice let's report ALL PvPer who have token that they hack for those tokens.

reverse_oreo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Scars Meadows [SmS] Officer (not recruiting)

10 Dec 2007 at 16:20 - 11
/signed. I dont even pvp that often and i have 2 stacks.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

10 Dec 2007 at 16:24 - 12
/signed, i bought tokens because i had nothing left to spend it on.

Wakka

Wakka

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Northern Ireland

R/

10 Dec 2007 at 16:35 - 13
/signed I suppose but its not going to happen.

BlackEagle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Final Uprising [fupr]

Mo/

10 Dec 2007 at 16:44 - 14
Thinking about it, /unsigned.

There is no benefit to it, it would just lead to such an influx of keys that it would destroy any value they had left.

And I'm really not saying this because it doesn't help me, I personally have several stacks of them but I just don't think there is really much to gain from it.

cgruber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Tryst of Vengenance [ToV]

Mo/Me

10 Dec 2007 at 17:03 - 15
I trade tournament tokens for gold usually anyway. Before the keys I would usually get 3-5k for 25 tokens. But it's alot harder to get buyers for the tokens than the keys. And if they did allow tokens to be transfered for keys I would be seriously rich, I pretty much only pvp.

Ultra Mega

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

OCAU

Mo/Me

10 Dec 2007 at 22:11 - 16
/unsigned

There was no indication by Anet that these tokens would be used for anything but tournaments. People who brought a whole lot were taking a risk, the rewards could be high (if they allowed exchange for keys) or no reward (if they stayed just tournament tokens).
Anet would have implemented it from the start if they wanted to but they decided not to reward the risk takers. I think they made the right decision.

TaCktiX

TaCktiX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Order of Chaos Reborn [ToC]

11 Dec 2007 at 00:05 - 17
/signed

I bought 406 Tournament Tokens, for that was the only thing there was to buy. When I saw the topic talking about "new use for Balthazar Faction", I immediately thought they would be retroactive to the Tokens as well. They should be. I don't care if you think it'll "flood the market", it's about time the heavy PvPers got their just deserts.

rohara

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

11 Dec 2007 at 00:15 - 18
/signed

and i don't give a rat's arse about any sort of "flood" in the market of keys. their prices are temporarily bloated and they're going to go down soon anyway. your chances of getting something worth more than 300-500g is pretty slim. keys are already easy as pie to get, and the long-UAX players should not be punished for hoarding tokens - its the only darn thing we could do with our faction. was really a slap in the face.

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

11 Dec 2007 at 00:31 - 19
/Signed. I only have 80 tokens so would only get 16 keys. How would I ruin the economy with my newly found stash of firewater and creme brulees? O.o

Lady Raenef

Lady Raenef

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Oregon, USA.

Zero Mercy [zm]

W/

11 Dec 2007 at 01:18 - 20
/signed

But, to be fair, I am willing to bet that most of the keys will get you flaskwater and creme brulees. I have 612 tournament tokens. I would love to trade 5 tokens for 1 key.

Negligate

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2007

Why Do You Ask?

Mo/W

11 Dec 2007 at 04:33 - 21
/not signed
would further flood the market with keys thus lowering the "now lowered" high end items.

if thats the case, why dont we just trade tokens for high end items since were all eager to get our hands on these keys anyway?

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

11 Dec 2007 at 10:05 - 22
25 tokens for one key. Or else it'll be too many. Granted, I got 400 keys the day they released that thing.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

11 Dec 2007 at 12:17 - 23
I can't see why all the /unsigned people are whining about the market being flooded.

It can't get much worse than it already is. This is only a method for turning the tokens back into keys for the people who missed out. People that have had large stacks of tokens lying in wait aren't going to change this a whole lot.

But since tokens are tradeable now, to my understanding, we should probably make it so Tolkano takes five tokens for one key, and doesn't just give 1k faction for a token. That would destroy the usefulness of Flames of Balthazar.

With that, I'm /signed.

glountz

glountz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Mo

11 Dec 2007 at 14:16 - 24
I'm signing about 10 tokens a key.
Like the merchant, when you buy him an ID kit, you can sell it back for half the price. Should be the same for tokens, with balth factions instead of gold.
By the same way, you should be able to sell back your Zaishen keys in BAlth faction for 500 factions, etc...

Vann Borakul

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

Noble Honor [NH]

E/

13 Dec 2007 at 19:32 - 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultra Mega
/unsigned

There was no indication by Anet that these tokens would be used for anything but tournaments. People who brought a whole lot were taking a risk, the rewards could be high (if they allowed exchange for keys) or no reward (if they stayed just tournament tokens).
Anet would have implemented it from the start if they wanted to but they decided not to reward the risk takers. I think they made the right decision.
The hell? It's not a frickin' risk if it's the only option.

/signed

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

13 Dec 2007 at 22:29 - 26
Yeah, thee where nothing else to spend Tokens in once you had unlocked everything.

Ultra Mega

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

OCAU

Mo/Me

13 Dec 2007 at 23:04 - 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vann Borakul
The hell? It's not a frickin' risk if it's the only option.

/signed
It is not the only option.

Option 1 - Use your faction to stack up tournament tokens.

Option 2 - Let your faction sit at Max.

Tournament tokens are for tournaments. Why would you be able to use them for anything else?

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

14 Dec 2007 at 02:17 - 28
I agree tournament tokens are for tournaments and should not ever be allowed to be used for keys. You bought your cake now eat it, quit trying to trade it in for pie now.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

14 Dec 2007 at 02:24 - 29
/Signed.

Why not?

Jessyi

Jessyi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

14 Dec 2007 at 02:43 - 30
/signed because it would personally benefit me, and to everyone else I say: HURRRRRRRRRRRRR.

ANet, get off your asses and make this change already. Quit wasting our time.

Lady Raenef

Lady Raenef

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Oregon, USA.

Zero Mercy [zm]

W/

14 Dec 2007 at 07:11 - 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultra Mega
Option 2 - Let your faction sit at Max.
I would have if I had the option of getting faction added to my total amount even as I kill. After I UAX'ed, I had spent every 1k on tournament tokens. I have 612 of them, and I would really like a token for key thing, considering, if I left it at max, my total balthazar faction earned would be 612,000 lower. Not a big deal? I've seen some guilds require faction count to prove you'd had a long trail of pvp experience, and not just played pvp for a day, won a gladiator point and claim you're awesome.

macke

macke

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Serbia-Belgrade

W/

14 Dec 2007 at 09:36 - 32
/signed ~~~~~

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

14 Dec 2007 at 13:14 - 33
I always though Tournament Tokens should be renames as 'Balthazar Tokens' and be used as Battle Isles coins.

Along with the uses in Tolkano, there could be more uses for them like getting ID kits and salvage kits for the PvP characters, so they can salvage the Zaishen Chest items and use them in the Tournamente rewards.

And get alcohol and crémes in a collector (2..3 tokens eachy), and other stuff with 0 value and such.

william1975

william1975

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Dragons of Torment (DOA)

Me/

15 Dec 2007 at 11:51 - 34
Sure I would like more uses of the Tokens, an adaptation on the lines of the quartermasters would be cool.

However, I'm simply asking for an exchange of prouct back to the trader, and while I would like to see it a straight 1 token for 1000 balth, I understand the request that it should be reduced, and if like the other traders this is halved then getting back 500 balth for one token seems fair enough.

If getting a return of the balth is not possible then introducing a trade option for the keys at 10 tokens per key woudl also seem fair.

I know some feel that it was a risk to put balth into tokens but what else were those gaining high amounts of balth to do with it? There is no point in letting it sit at maxed. My own limit has been reached 8 times since the introduction of tokens. Others that play PvP more frequently will have reached theirs far more. And the only way for me to have not have lost any balth faction before this update would have to have had maxed titles at HA, RA/TA and HB. my limit would then have been 175k, rather than 21k.

Letting us exchange tokens doesn;t harm anyone, it helps us to off load something we don't need.

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

15 Dec 2007 at 11:52 - 35
/agreee .

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

15 Dec 2007 at 13:12 - 36
if it was like 10 tokens to 1 key,then that'd be fair enough, as you pvp'd to have fun really,so stacks of tourni points should only really help tourni's.

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

15 Dec 2007 at 13:27 - 37
10 tokens for a key sounds good

Team Ramrod

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Here]

15 Dec 2007 at 13:32 - 38
/signed, personally I have almost 2k tokens, obviously thats more than enough for ATs, and I know others with more, and theres really nothing to do with them. Seeing as I only really pvp I would much prefer if you could exchange them for reward points as well as keys. I don't even see how this is debatable, I could care less about the pve economy, people that have spent millions of faction on these tokens with nothing else to spend it on deserve to get something for them. End of discussion.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

15 Dec 2007 at 14:19 - 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgruber
/not signed

Won't that have a serious impact on in game economy if suddenly everyone has 500 zaishen keys? For the record I have a stack of tournament tokens myself but I really think it would ruin the game..
yes...if you havent noticed zaishen keys already killed the economy
and im doubting you have a stack of t-tokens
/signed, i spent enough balth on this waiting for a....better balth sink

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

15 Dec 2007 at 17:43 - 40
No it should be 100 tokens per key if anything. You shouldn't get full return on faction same as those of us who put our faction points into useless skills we'd never use. I'd like to have those back. So, if they are giving token faction back then they'd have to give ALL faction back for those that spent the faction in a different direction. But, really they should just leave it like it is and everyone is on the SAME EQAUL LEVEL of getting new faction and trading them in for keys.