anybody else abandoned what people called "co-op"

i now only work with henches and heros, unless my guildies are with me, who i can trust. when i got prophicies, i always played with people in missions. but when nightfall came out, i soon started to use heros and henches only.

now im a pro at controlling my heros, now i dont take 1-3 hours makeing a group of 8... i can just set up the build on my heros and just go. i even beat urgozes with henches and heros (one real monk my friend)

so do you people play with others or go with the heros?

Whats "co-op"?

I always use heroes and henchmen on anything and everything. I dont have the patience to sit and wait for a full group of eight, then try to reason with the people who have just plain nasty builds. I ran into a ranger in Longeye's Ledge who had summon bone minions. The minions were level six.

Guildies/Friends >>> Heroes > Henches >>>>>>>> PuG.

I think of Pugging as charity work.

Mostly I just party with guildies or hench/heroes. Never do I go somewhere and try to fill a party with people as most of the time you could have finished the mission or quest by the time you have 7/8 humans in a party.

How may red-bloody-engined threads to we need on this same topic? Argh!

What he said, without the bloody engined part. I'll just say useless.

h/h for pve, very rarely pug in pve, use guildies alot more.
for pvp...well im stuck with pugs

Co-op is what you do with friends and guild mates, it's a lot of fun. PUGing is something... else.

Redundancy is hilarious.

Co-op still exists, but more often than not, you have to fill in the remaining empty spots with heroes and henchmen. Personally I think a part player, part NPC team works much better than anything else o.o

I still go with PUGs sometimes when I'm bored, they're not all that bad.

I haven't even been in a PUG since I bought Nightfall.

Everything I do is with H/H or guildies/friends.

The only time i join/make a PUG is in some of the more elite areas of the game where there isn't a guild team going out. Some areas are just too much trouble without other humans but for the most part H/H are fine, and usually better/faster than trying to PUG it.

Hmm... PUGs... when I first played this game that's about all I did, and a while into Factions. Then I got tired, started to play more and more with my guild, and I'm doing the same in this one.

I PUG a bit nowadays, usually just for the fun of where such group will go. So most of the time, it's been FoW or UW, because I know I can get lucky and make a shard or two, and get back on the money I spent (I don't really mind paying), but a group that fails right from the start will annoy me). Oh, and elite missions, along with alliance. Let's take The Deep/Urgoz; a HiDE alliance run will get us about 5 to 10 people easily, we PUG the remaining spots while making sure key people are in key spots (reliable monks, tanks/pullers) and let PUGs take care of damage with decent builds.

If I really feel like doing something and no one's available, I'll go with heroes/henchies. But I normally can get one or two people with heroes. Makes the game much more interesting; I'm a social guy, can't help it. Don't like playing solo.

I play almost exclusively with H&H, and then with Guildies. We may pick up an extra unknown person for one of the missions if there's someone asking - If that person shouts "GOGOGOGO" as soon as they've joined, they're kicked immediately - if they are friendly and happy to ping their build so we know what to expect skill/spell wise then all is good and we take them with.

I don't ever go looking for a pug now-days.

In fact - myself and my 3 Heros can basically do any part of PvE alone without even Hench, except for the higher areas.

Even when I co-op it's my show!
I hate anyone stealing my thunder!
So I tell everyone what to run and if they refuse it - I just kick the bastards out of my guild!


Well, most parts of that is true ....

I don't think we'd go very well in the same group. I don't like being told what to ran, except in some places where I have restrictions, usually because of the enemies. I'm always open to suggestion, but I don't stick to MM or SS on my necro, and god knows my monks aren't all RC prots and LoD heals.

I DO like being in lead of a group though, so I tend to play frontline/midline - ToPK/Urgoz puller, Deep or FoW tank. Nothing annoys me more than someone who tries to tank or pull by my side and claims to do the job better than I do. Especially when they're totally not set up for it. I remember this case in ToPK where this gal thought she could go faster than me on pulling... she over aggroed while the MM wasn't ready, which resulted in a partial wipe. Blamed me for no reason, raged at my whole team afterwards and left the game.

Partially why I don't PUG much.

I did used to PuG when I first bought the game, but when Nightfall was released I stopped mostly. Then I got into Hard Mode...and we know there's no PuGing allowed for Hard Mode (since noone wants to do it at the same time as you do). I've had my fill of Hard Mode for the time being. It's freaking lonely...just you + hench...and BORING, so now I go around mission towns helping people, for that hit-of-the-whole PuG experience. Yes, they're still as bad as they used to be, but since i have no characters needing any of the missions I don't care too much if things go wrong or we don't get masters so the frustration element isn't really there any more.

In short, if you don't need to do the mission yourself, PuGs are fun.

I haven't pugged all that much since nightfall came out. There's only a handful of missions I either always screw up on with H/H (raisu palace) or I'd rather not do alone (gate of whatever... the one with the lich and shiro).

You gotta have a really thick skin to pugs these days. Well that or you gotta be really drunk.

QFT

I never abandoned it.. as i never started H/H >> all