Magebane shot or broadhead arrow?

masonthesurfer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

OMIN

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Which one? Magebane is good. But so is broadhead arrow. In PvP obviously when a caster gets dazed he goes nuts Ctrl-clicking on the condition (at least in my experience), and if the monk is decent, the condition will usually be removed.

But, in PvE, monsters don't normally remove conditions (as always, there are exceptions.)

So, which would be better for PvE for just completely shutting down casters(Monks - )??

I would think Broadhead arrow, savage shot, and distracting shot would shut down a caster better than Magebane/savage/distracting but i could be wrong.

Any people know about this?

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

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BHA in PvE, Magebane in PvP.

Daze is kinda useless in PvP with [skill]Restore Condition[/skill] Monks on almost every team and a few copies of [skill]Draw Conditions[/skill].

For PvE it's really easy to just overwhelm the condition removal with [skill]Apply Poison[/skill]. I don't think a single mob as RC in PvE.

masonthesurfer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

OMIN

D/W

Ok good so I'm correct! I just started Guild Wars a month or two ago, and I'm just starting to get a basic grasp of how things work. Btw, how much do Elite Ranger Tomes Run for? About 7k?(I know I should start price check thread but oh well, I'm Lazy.)

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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Daze requires a high rate of attack to be effective as interrupt and only works on spells, [wiki]Magebane shot[/wiki] interrupts all actions.
Alternatively, Choking Gas with Practiced Stance can do well against groups of casters and does not need to actually hit the target.

Wakka

Wakka

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Northern Ireland

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I like running Magebane in PvE at the minute No reason, I just like it lol

But BHA is prolly your best bet in PvE, its just a bit common now tbh

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

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Magebane is dirt cheap, on a good ranger with tab-spasms it's very useful I think. It's way more flexible then choking gas and broad head, but it DOES require more work. I would go for broad head though, because I'm not a good ranger, heroes aren't either.

Lhim

Lhim

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

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I actually always use Punishing Shot, I like the damage
Broad Head Arrow is a good skill when you are up against a really tough boss. But other then that I wouldn't equip it. The flight time and recharge time makes me stay away from it in general.
To be honest, I haven't tried Magebane shot yet. Ive always been statisfied with punishing shot, d-shot and savage shot. I'll give it a try though

Wakka

Wakka

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Northern Ireland

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I normally ran Punishing Shot for just general PvE. Then I tried Magebane and have never looked back

Toutatis

Toutatis

Walking Wiki

Join Date: Nov 2006

Isle of Medication

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I would generally go for Broad Head Arrow in the PvE environment. The downside of it is that it's a little more on the expensive side, so it needs you to watch your energy a bit more.

One interesting part of BHA is that it lets you interrupt two casters at once. Fire off BHA at one target and get your pet or another party member to keep attacking that target; the daze from BHA combined with the attacks from other allies can generally keep that target's spellcasting capabilities silenced. In the meantime, you can switch targets and focus your other interrupt skills on a different target. Quite a useful tactic if the party is dealing with multiple enemy casters.

Wakka

Wakka

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Northern Ireland

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Yea Toutatis is right

We ran a party down to Shards of Orr the other night where there's 2 monks per mob, and without BHA it should have been a lot harder.

Nice tip ^^

masonthesurfer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

OMIN

D/W

So... What should I go for? If broad head arrow is a good option, I was thinking something like this --

R/mo...

[skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill][skill]Distracting shot[/skill][skill]savage shot[/skill][skill]apply poison[/skill][skill]natural stride[/skill][skill]hunter's shot[/skill][skill]troll unguent[/skill][skill]mending touch[/skill]

Spread bleeding + poison around, and shut down casters.

attributes -Marksmanship - 11+2+1(14)
expertise - 11+1(12)
wilderness survival - 8+1(9)
protection prayers - 2 + 1(3)

rez could go somewhere in there....


thanks!

Wakka

Wakka

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Northern Ireland

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Drop hunters for the Res. Hunters shot is a bit too conditional and should only really be used to cover Daze, but you have AP for that ^^

masonthesurfer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

OMIN

D/W

Yeah.. it is a bit reliant on their movement, and since casters don't move(as often as melee characters) It would be harder to cover daze with it. Possibly Screaming Shot?..I do have apply poison to cover the dazed though. Is there a bowstring that increases dazed duration?

Solus Spartan

Solus Spartan

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Join Date: May 2007

Australia

[Lawl]

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BhA pve, Mage in Pvp I agree with.

MasterSasori

MasterSasori

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Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

[Thay]

R/Mo

Drop hunter's for a solid rez.

I'd suggest tinkering with Magebane now that its all pumped up from the updates.

If you go BHA, be sure to bring a pet.

blue.rellik

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakka
Yea Toutatis is right

We ran a party down to Shards of Orr the other night where there's 2 monks per mob, and without BHA it should have been a lot harder.

Nice tip ^^ Smite monks laff at Shards of Orr

Lhim

Lhim

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by masonthesurfer
Is there a bowstring that increases dazed duration? Yes, Silencing bowstrings. They increase dazed duration by 33%.

distilledwill

distilledwill

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

Im currently running this as an AB build:

[card]Broad Head Arrow[/card][card]Distracting Shot[/card]Sloth Hunter's Shot[card]Apply Poison[/card][card]Lightning Reflexes[/card][card]Mending Touch[/card][card]Natural Stride[/card][card]Troll Unguent[/card]

Im trying out LR in there, but its flexible. Any suggestions as to what i could replace it with?

LightningHell

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

Guildless

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by distilledwill
Im currently running this as an AB build:

[card]Broad Head Arrow[/card][card]Distracting Shot[/card]Sloth Hunter's Shot[card]Apply Poison[/card][card]Lightning Reflexes[/card][card]Mending Touch[/card][card]Natural Stride[/card][card]Troll Unguent[/card]

Im trying out LR in there, but its flexible. Any suggestions as to what i could replace it with? More Savage Shot is win.

The basis of all Ranger PvP builds are Distracting Shot and Savage Shot.

Lhim

Lhim

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Join Date: Sep 2007

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I would squeeze in [skill]pin down[/skill] somewhere, so you'll have a better chance for BHA to hit, if you want to use that as your elite.

LightningHell

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I'd actually replace BHA with either Crippling Shot or Burning Arrow.

Wakka

Wakka

Jungle Guide

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Northern Ireland

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Quote:
Smite monks laff at Shards of Orr Semi-non-organised guild team lol

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toutatis
One interesting part of BHA is that it lets you interrupt two casters at once. Fire off BHA at one target and get your pet or another party member to keep attacking that target; the daze from BHA combined with the attacks from other allies can generally keep that target's spellcasting capabilities silenced. In the meantime, you can switch targets and focus your other interrupt skills on a different target. Quite a useful tactic if the party is dealing with multiple enemy casters. This can be done better (IMO) using ebon assassin. Shoot BHA then cast assassin, by the time the arrow hits the sin will be on target, will knock the foe down (because of the condition) and start hitting.
Because of high IAS of daggers, it may result in close to 100% interrupts.
To deal an additional big amount of damage, use sleuth hunter shot, which in case of daze will benefit of the extra damage.

For heroes, I prefer Magebane or Punishing, their reflexes are godly compared to mine.

cryptoknight79

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dragons of the Shadowlords

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
This can be done better (IMO) using ebon assassin. Shoot BHA then cast assassin, by the time the arrow hits the sin will be on target, will knock the foe down (because of the condition) and start hitting.
Because of high IAS of daggers, it may result in close to 100% interrupts.
To deal an additional big amount of damage, use sleuth hunter shot, which in case of daze will benefit of the extra damage.

For heroes, I prefer Magebane or Punishing, their reflexes are godly compared to mine. x2

BHA then ebon assassin......tab to next target.

Magebane is better than BHA on heros.

Lourens

Lourens

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by LightningHell
I'd actually replace BHA with either Crippling Shot or Burning Arrow. i kinda agree with that

btw wouldnt [skill]concussion shot[/skill] a better option to take since it isnt an elite and more accurate ?

Quaker

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amy Awien
Daze requires a high rate of attack to be effective as interrupt and only works on spells, [wiki]Magebane shot[/wiki] interrupts all actions. Hmm, it seems that something needs to be updated somewhere along the line. The Magebane Shot description above is nothing like the actual skill as listed at http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Magebane_Shot and in my skills list.

Quaker

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lourens
i kinda agree with that

btw wouldn't [wiki]concussion shot[/wiki] a better option to take since it isn't an elite and more accurate ? Concussion Shot takes a lot more energy and has to interrupt a Spell in order to daze the target.

Wakka

Wakka

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Northern Ireland

R/

Yes the forums have been out of date for quite some time. You'll also find that skills such as [skill=text]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill] havent even been updated and no EotN skills have been added either ^^

Concussion Shot is a lovely skill but the high energy cost really gets you. I ran it tonight against Duncan and it worked lovely although I need a BR every so often so I could afford both this and Apply Poison.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by deank81
I actually always use Punishing Shot, I like the damage
Broad Head Arrow is a good skill when you are up against a really tough boss. But other then that I wouldn't equip it. The flight time and recharge time makes me stay away from it in general.
To be honest, I haven't tried Magebane shot yet. Ive always been statisfied with punishing shot, d-shot and savage shot. I'll give it a try though I am like this as well I like Punishing Shot I haven't thought of capping Magebane but I just don't use Punishing on castors I use on melee as well say Derv or Sins.You can't use it on well Sin for the most part maybe Dervs and yes Warrior and other Rangers.I wouldn't use BHA for PvP and Magebane is for interrupting castors.Punishing Shot can do it all.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lourens
btw wouldnt [skill]concussion shot[/skill] a better option to take since it isnt an elite and more accurate ? BHA wins because you cab frontload dazed condition, which means its much less risky to use in situation you really want dazed (nasty ele/rt boss), and mode complete shutdown.

with consussion you are left to interrupt 1/4 to 1/2 spells (hm+boss bonus on 1s and 2s spells). GL with that.

Moonlit Azure

Moonlit Azure

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Join Date: Nov 2007

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BHA has a high arc, and it moves too slow. On the other hand magebane cannot be blocked making it easier for you to hit targets like rangers with [skill]whirling defense[/skill] or monks with[skill]aegis[/skill]

Not to mention the high energy cost of bha.

So my choice is [skill]magebane shot[/skill]

MasterSasori

MasterSasori

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Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

[Thay]

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lourens
... wouldnt [skill]concussion shot[/skill] a better option to take since it isnt an elite and more accurate ? Arguably one of the worst Ranger interrupt skills ever made. Too energy intensive and conditional.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

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Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

I like Magebane better but in PVE you won't have as much condition removal and in hard mode it will be hell to try to interrupt the halved cats time of some of the spells.

Lourens

Lourens

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSasori
Arguably one of the worst Ranger interrupt skills ever made. Too energy intensive and conditional. its not hard to hit a foe with a casting time of 1 or 2 (even in hardmode) you just have to await the right moment and not "spam" it and btw expertise cuts the 25 energy in pieces

Wakka

Wakka

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Northern Ireland

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Quote:
its not hard to hit a foe with a casting time of 1 or 2 (even in hardmode) you just have to await the right moment and not "spam" it and btw expertise cuts the 25 energy in pieces Agreed lol ^_^

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by cryptoknight79
Magebane is better than BHA on heros.
Heroes use Magebane as a normal attack skill, meaning they'll use it randomly on any target whether it's using a skill or not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSasori
Arguably one of the worst Ranger interrupt skills ever made. Too energy intensive and conditional. If you've got fast reflexes, save your elite and use this. Whether it's too energy intensive or not depends on the player. It doesn't have to be spammed. It's also perfectly fine to go 12/12 marks/exp in pve. If you happen to be using Prepared shot and are quick, it can be godly. Many devastating spells in HM are 2sec cast, which are still easy to interrupt with the ai's hm bonuses. It all depends on the player skill.

As for pve....BHA for sure in HM. Magebane in NM.

clarke

clarke

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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Gotta be BHA, since the rest of your team will be pressuring the caster u need to die most, usually the monk if thers one, he will be pretty much shut down for good, very useful for the lvl 28 monk bosses in HM