Ok I went to the Hall of Monuments, thinking that I coud add Tormented Weapons to the Valor one.
But no , It said that only the greatest of weapons can be accepted...
It was then that I had a big wtf moment,Then I saw that it inly accepts destroyer weapons.
I was like , a Tormented weapon isnT GREAT enough? but a Destroyer Weapon is?
Why? I mean whats the story explanation for this? and even if there is one , arent Tormented weapons harder to get?
For the life of me I just dont get it. Its so Insulting to the poor Margonites dontcha think.
What the... O_o
Haijiibirdhead
Ray
No only destroyer weapons, what is it that you do not understand?
Haijiibirdhead
Why a weapon that has better skin , harder to obtain, is at least as "great" from a storyline perspective , is more expensive , isnt considered as great an achievement as getting a destroyer weapon and isnt "worthY" of being displayed on the monument of valor.
Have I made myself clear enough yet?
Have I made myself clear enough yet?
zwei2stein
Yeah ... lots of people hoped that they could add weapons they actually like to use or find cool to those monuments, but alas, anet decided to make it goldsink rather than something else.
Haijiibirdhead
It still doesnt make sense imo. Tormented is a bigger goldsink...
Cebe
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It still doesnt make sense imo. Tormented is a bigger goldsink...
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This topic's been discussed and discussed.
fenix
Yeah, HoM sucks, we all know. Anet still won't change it though.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
People who do not own Nightfall can not readily obtain Tormented Weapons. The Hall of Monuments only accepts Destroyer Weapons so that it is fair for all, and accessible to all who own Eye of the North. They are easy enough to obtain, even for people who play casually-ish.
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Fair does not have to mean that there is only one kind of items which are ugly as hell and redundant to obtain.
Edit: now there is core way to obtain all skins (zaishen chest) ... so it does not even make much sense not to allow some stuff.
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Why
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Clear enough?
enmitee
not all skins are obtainable in the zaishen chest. and destroyer is still even though not much, an achievement. sometimes the value doesnt matter in things like this.
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Fair does not have to mean that there is only one kind of items which are ugly as hell and redundant to obtain.
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Personally I like most of the skins, I'm not mad on the Sword or Shield, but the rest I like.
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Edit: now there is core way to obtain all skins (zaishen chest) ... so it does not even make much sense not to allow some stuff.
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zwei2stein
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Subjective. Widely believed, but subjective nonetheless.
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Personally I like most of the skins, I'm not mad on the Sword or Shield, but the rest I like.
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Because destroyer weapons for me are thrown out money, and i would likely salvage them for materials few seconds after they got dedicated (if its possible, otherwise just trash em.). And i am not gonna sink money like that.
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
It would need to drop weapons worthy of being put into the hall if that were the case. Either that or limit it to Req 9 weapons which drop from the chest. What's the point of being able to put in a Req 13 communing wand with a generic skin? Even if it is gold...it proves nothing except you are unlucky enough to get a pretty useless weapon.
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And why should it prove anything besides fact that person who dedicated it liked it?
Steboy93
There has already been lots of threads about this, it's never going to change so you may as well just accept it.
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Because destroyer weapons for me are thrown out money, and i would likely salvage them for materials few seconds after they got dedicated (if its possible, otherwise just trash em.). And i am not gonna sink money like that.
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For person who adds it to monument it could be their favorite weapon with sentimental value.
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Destroyer Weapons are a gold sink for the monument, and a uniform, controllable way for people to add weapons to that monument. It needs to be left as it is.
enmitee
the torment swords looks like crap btw looks like the musical fork
Meat Axe
They can't allow every weapon in the game to be added to the hall of monuments. Be realistic. Everything that goes into the hall means there has to be some corresponding reward in GW2. That is what the hall is for. Personally, I would much rather them keep it as it is and only allow destroyer weapons than have them spend months implementing some system to give each weapon a reward in GW2, at the cost of quality of the game.
I do think that Torment weapons are worthy of the hall of monuments, but it's like Celestial Beaver said. Destroyer weapons are obtainable by everyone who can access the hall of monuments. If they added Torment weapons, I'd expect them to need to add craftable high-end weapon sets from Factions and Prophecies. This leads to a couple of problems. Factions and Prophecies don't have high-end craftable weapons (Factions has a weaponsmith in the Divine Path, but that guy only crafts warrior, ranger, and assassin weapons), and there's the point I raised previously about wasting time on mediocre elements instead of concentrating on making GW2 a good game.
I do think that Torment weapons are worthy of the hall of monuments, but it's like Celestial Beaver said. Destroyer weapons are obtainable by everyone who can access the hall of monuments. If they added Torment weapons, I'd expect them to need to add craftable high-end weapon sets from Factions and Prophecies. This leads to a couple of problems. Factions and Prophecies don't have high-end craftable weapons (Factions has a weaponsmith in the Divine Path, but that guy only crafts warrior, ranger, and assassin weapons), and there's the point I raised previously about wasting time on mediocre elements instead of concentrating on making GW2 a good game.
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People who do not own Nightfall can not readily obtain Tormented Weapons. The Hall of Monuments only accepts Destroyer Weapons so that it is fair for all, and accessible to all who own Eye of the North. They are easy enough to obtain, even for people who play casually-ish.
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then why are there statues for the deep and urgoz?
(and there are many more examples. it's likely that anet will change it in the future).
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Invalid point imo.
then why are there statues for the deep and urgoz? (and there are many more examples. it's likely that anet will change it in the future). |
Big_Iron
Old news, but yeah. This was easily one of the single biggest disappointments in GW:EN IMHO.
Crom The Pale
For resons of unlocking items in GW2 the HoM can only accept elite weapons from GW:EN, however it really should have a second(non unlock) tier for weapons that the players feel deserve to be displayed.
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Invalid point imo.
then why are there statues for the deep and urgoz? (and there are many more examples. it's likely that anet will change it in the future). |
If you could only put Eye of the North titles in there it would look very sparse
doinchi
If they want to give a reward for weapons in HoM in GW2, make a few reward weapons for GW2 and no matter what weapon you put in you get the same reward. I like my Ice Breaker and IDS because they were the first weapons I really used. Making 15 slots for weapons when there are only about 3 kinds of weapons for a class is plain stupid in my opinion.
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Ok I went to the Hall of Monuments, thinking that I coud add Tormented Weapons to the Valor one.
But no , It said that only the greatest of weapons can be accepted... It was then that I had a big wtf moment,Then I saw that it inly accepts destroyer weapons. I was like , a Tormented weapon isnT GREAT enough? but a Destroyer Weapon is? Why? I mean whats the story explanation for this? and even if there is one , arent Tormented weapons harder to get? For the life of me I just dont get it. Its so Insulting to the poor Margonites dontcha think. |
It would be way to much hasstle for Anet to code it to show everyskin
Before you say you don't want it to display EVERY skin just torments, but then they do that and next person wants xxx skin then this person wants yyy skin and Anet finally have to say no and people would cry more they let other skins in but not their favorite
boxterduke
Between myself and I, I believe 100% that Anet will enable us to add any weapon we want in a future update.
Thats what they do all the time, and when they do, the masses come back to GW to take advantage of the new update.
Thats what they do all the time, and when they do, the masses come back to GW to take advantage of the new update.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by doinchi
If they want to give a reward for weapons in HoM in GW2, make a few reward weapons for GW2 and no matter what weapon you put in you get the same reward.
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People should save their complaining until we find out if the rewards for filling this monument are actually worth having.
jezz
i am not at all concerned about weapons in HoM atm...
if they are to be some sort of bonus/reward in GW2...why would you want old weapon skins for GW2, NEW GAME = NEW WEAPON SKINS..
when GW2 comes out players will more than likely get tired of those old skins...IMHO
Interesting idea Celestial Beaver...looking forward to see what they come up with.
if they are to be some sort of bonus/reward in GW2...why would you want old weapon skins for GW2, NEW GAME = NEW WEAPON SKINS..
when GW2 comes out players will more than likely get tired of those old skins...IMHO
Interesting idea Celestial Beaver...looking forward to see what they come up with.
Big_Iron
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Between myself and I, I believe 100% that Anet will enable us to add any weapon we want in a future update.
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zwei2stein
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People should save their complaining until we find out if the rewards for filling this monument are actually worth having.
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iirc, it was said that once gw2 is released and rewards known, HOM will be frozen and no new stuff will be addable to prevent non-veterans from doing exactly what you suggested - waiting it out and doing only "worthy" monuments.
Its basically BMP story. Reward is big "?". with ? reward, it will be epic qq fest no matter what anet does - When you cannot make informed choice, you are going to feel like qq both when you forgo it and find out rewards are good or when you go for it and reward would suck.
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Then, it would be too late.
iirc, it was said that once gw2 is released and rewards known, HOM will be frozen and no new stuff will be addable to prevent non-veterans from doing exactly what you suggested - waiting it out and doing only "worthy" monuments. Its basically BMP story. Reward is big "?". with ? reward, it will be epic qq fest no matter what anet does - When you cannot make informed choice, you are going to feel like qq both when you forgo it and find out rewards are good or when you go for it and reward would suck. |
Well, as you were lads.
I'm going to bow out of this before the "epic qq fest" gets too loud and it deafens me. It's only a matter of time.
Mordakai
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It would be way to much hasstle for Anet to code it to show everyskin
Before you say you don't want it to display EVERY skin just torments, but then they do that and next person wants xxx skin then this person wants yyy skin and Anet finally have to say no and people would cry more they let other skins in but not their favorite |
They have no problem putting every mini in the HoM. No problem with all the Elite armors. No problem with all 25 Heros and 4 pet models. No problem with over 20 Titles, plus misc. statues for things like clearing elite areas.
But they can only put in 11 Weapons? I don't see why they couldn't add more weapons, the skins already exist, it's just a matter of letting said skins be displayed in a static environment.
I too hope this is changed, but I'm not counting on it. At least Destroyer Weapons are affordable.
Sleeper Service
yeah its a terrible state of affairs. Personally i would have loved to put my greens in the HoM. :s
Shadowmoon
People in guru are to damn short sighted, Armbraces, the item used for getting torment has largely duped this pass sumer. THESE DUPED ITEMS WERE NOT DELITED. Accounts who did the duping were closed, but trade using them were not rolled back. Remember the first r 9 enternal sword, how high to went for. Show how much that dupe messed with the high end market.
Rewards for a known mass duped item would be irresponible.
Rewards for a known mass duped item would be irresponible.
Sparda
IMO it is bad that they only allow Destroyer Weapons.
Sure for some people will complain and rant till there Torment Weapons can be put in.
For me the HoM is just a thing to exclude some type of players.
(PLZ remember weapons are still made all the same way only with another skin so if you add a Torment weapon and/or a Tengu Weapon they are still the same.)
IMHO They reward the High end big shots of the game who are just stupid enough to fill her up to max (HoM).
So yes i believe that some greens and/or golds should be allowed to put in HoM or GW2 will begin in a bad way in my eyes.
Then you will see who had the cash and people who did not oh yea and people who where smart enough to skip this money sink how some of you can it.
And the idea of freezing the add of weapons when GW2 comes out is bad also.
What if i choose to play GW1 and want my new char name to skip to GW2 i can't get any of that stuff i put in course they froze the add off weapons and/or other stuff.
PLZ do not Flame my Opinion where i come from we have freedom of speech.
Sure for some people will complain and rant till there Torment Weapons can be put in.
For me the HoM is just a thing to exclude some type of players.
(PLZ remember weapons are still made all the same way only with another skin so if you add a Torment weapon and/or a Tengu Weapon they are still the same.)
IMHO They reward the High end big shots of the game who are just stupid enough to fill her up to max (HoM).
So yes i believe that some greens and/or golds should be allowed to put in HoM or GW2 will begin in a bad way in my eyes.
Then you will see who had the cash and people who did not oh yea and people who where smart enough to skip this money sink how some of you can it.
And the idea of freezing the add of weapons when GW2 comes out is bad also.
What if i choose to play GW1 and want my new char name to skip to GW2 i can't get any of that stuff i put in course they froze the add off weapons and/or other stuff.
PLZ do not Flame my Opinion where i come from we have freedom of speech.
Lil Mystique
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Seriously?
They have no problem putting every mini in the HoM. No problem with all the Elite armors. No problem with all 25 Heros and 4 pet models. No problem with over 20 Titles, plus misc. statues for things like clearing elite areas. But they can only put in 11 Weapons? I don't see why they couldn't add more weapons, the skins already exist, it's just a matter of letting said skins be displayed in a static environment. I too hope this is changed, but I'm not counting on it. At least Destroyer Weapons are affordable. |
max gladius
yes this is quite old news... everyone just needs to realize that 70k crafter weapos PWN everything else thinkable ingame... even though they r ugly as piss....
anet is to busy banning ppl moving money between accounts and for what someone calls an offensive name... and to busy pissing in the wind to worry about actually fixing / changing the game to where ppl are happy
anet is to busy banning ppl moving money between accounts and for what someone calls an offensive name... and to busy pissing in the wind to worry about actually fixing / changing the game to where ppl are happy
Savio
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They have no problem putting every mini in the HoM. No problem with all the Elite armors. No problem with all 25 Heros and 4 pet models. No problem with over 20 Titles, plus misc. statues for things like clearing elite areas.
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So yes i believe that some greens and/or golds should be allowed to put in HoM or GW2 will begin in a bad way in my eyes.
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zwei2stein
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You're forgetting that they might have to code for every possible mod combination as well.
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Anyway, destroyer weapons can have every possible mod combination. (hello, were inscribable and accept other mods as well.)
Lil Mystique
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Why?
Anyway, destroyer weapons can have every possible mod combination. (hello, were inscribable and accept other mods as well.) |
Meat Axe
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iirc, it was said that once gw2 is released and rewards known, HOM will be frozen and no new stuff will be addable to prevent non-veterans from doing exactly what you suggested - waiting it out and doing only "worthy" monuments.
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I honestly don't see why they wouldn't allow this. Sure, if people want to waste time waiting for the information about rewards in GW2 and then go back and fill their HoM, then let them. And it's not like non-veteran players will be doing that. It takes quite a long time to fill a HoM. It's not like someone can go buy GW1, get to EotN and suddenly have a completely full HoM.
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Mods for 11 skins is quite a bit less than for 700+ skins. I don't know if they do store the mods, but they might.
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The Hall doesn't detect what mods are on a weapon. It only detects the skin (which at the moment is only Destroyer, and I don't see that changing anytime soon).
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