Is there anyone here that actually uses a bar that has one or more wind prayers skill in it? A lot of people complain about under rated attributes, but fail to mention this one.
What are your thoughts?
Wind Prayers. A Use?
You can't see me
Stormlord Alex
I did, once.
It was a running build.
Yes, Wind Prayers are kinda bad. A bunch on unfocused buff-crap that just draws points out of Mysticism and Scythe Mastery without really doing anything of interest.
It was a running build.
Yes, Wind Prayers are kinda bad. A bunch on unfocused buff-crap that just draws points out of Mysticism and Scythe Mastery without really doing anything of interest.
draxynnic
If anything, a build based on the Margonite Reaper might be usable to relieve some of the pressure on the monks while still dishing out damage. It certainly seems to work for the Reapers - generally putting them around third on my kill order when fighting Margonite packs - but since it's not exactly a popular build, chances are people who've tried it found that it was something that worked for the mobs, but didn't work for the players.
Moonlit Azure
Wind prayers, like wind in nature, lacks focus. 
All I've seen is crippling attacks, running, and some other stuff. I can take those from the other 3 attributes and I'll still come out stronger.
Wind prayers need some love! <3
All I've seen is crippling attacks, running, and some other stuff. I can take those from the other 3 attributes and I'll still come out stronger.
Wind prayers need some love! <3
Terraban
25% of the skills are running skills.
25% of the skills are self heals
25% of the skills are weak energy management.
25% of the skills are anti-kite.
None of these are really needed in PvE. Most of these are not worthwhile in PvP.
It is just a bunch of random skills, some of them could be useful, but either have too weak of an effect, or require too much investment to get anything out of them.
25% of the skills are self heals
25% of the skills are weak energy management.
25% of the skills are anti-kite.
None of these are really needed in PvE. Most of these are not worthwhile in PvP.
It is just a bunch of random skills, some of them could be useful, but either have too weak of an effect, or require too much investment to get anything out of them.
cellardweller
[skill]mystic healing[/skill][skill]dwayna's touch[/skill] good on an orders dervish
[skill]Rending Aura[/skill] Awesome in Hard Mode for taking out body blocked melees in areas like joko's (VoS bonded dervishes) and Slaver's Exile (constant stream of prot enchants).
[skill]Rending Aura[/skill] Awesome in Hard Mode for taking out body blocked melees in areas like joko's (VoS bonded dervishes) and Slaver's Exile (constant stream of prot enchants).
Coloneh
Its a great PvP and running skill line, but its useless in PvE.
You can't see me
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[skill]mystic healing[/skill][skill]dwayna's touch[/skill] good on an orders dervish
[skill]Rending Aura[/skill] Awesome in Hard Mode for taking out body blocked melees in areas like joko's (VoS bonded dervishes) and Slaver's Exile (constant stream of prot enchants). Still, there are just not enough skills in wind prayers that will dubb attribute points into that line. Those are some of the best skills in the line, which, is very sad.
[skill]Rending Aura[/skill] Awesome in Hard Mode for taking out body blocked melees in areas like joko's (VoS bonded dervishes) and Slaver's Exile (constant stream of prot enchants). Still, there are just not enough skills in wind prayers that will dubb attribute points into that line. Those are some of the best skills in the line, which, is very sad.
cellardweller
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Still, there are just not enough skills in wind prayers that will dubb attribute points into that line. Those are some of the best skills in the line, which, is very sad.
I'd say the same about earth prayers. The only things I'd ever bring from that line are [skill]Armor of Sanctity[/skill][skill]Ebon Dust Aura[/skill] and maybe [skill]Staggering Force[/skill] if I didn't have an SS nec for some reason.
Scythe Mastery/Mysticism is where the action is.
Scythe Mastery/Mysticism is where the action is.
Terraban
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I'd say the same about earth prayers. The only things I'd ever bring from that line are [skill]Armor of Sanctity[/skill][skill]Ebon Dust Aura[/skill] and maybe [skill]Staggering Force[/skill] if I didn't have an SS nec for some reason.
Scythe Mastery/Mysticism is where the action is. [skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill]?
Scythe Mastery/Mysticism is where the action is. [skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill]?
draxynnic
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cellardweller
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[skill]Sand Shards[/skill] is also incredibly amusing against mobs that think blinding you or otherwise stopping you from hitting is actually going to help them...
I think I'd rather use meladru's/wild blow as appropriate, especially considering how many of the aformentioned mobs are undead.
draxynnic
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I think I'd rather use melandru's/wild blow as appropriate, especially considering how many of the aformentioned mobs are undead.
Melandru's ties up your elite (and a lot of energy when used). Neither of them help against enchantments (although you could of course take a third skill as appropriate for those), and more importantly, neither of them have the potential for amusement that arises when you can actually, if the enemy mob is big enough and clustered enough, end up doing more damage on a miss...
That's not saying it can't be dealt with, but having one skill that can neutralise all forms of blocking has it's advantages, especially when you're already carrying other Earth skills on your bar such as Ebon Dust Aura.
(Idly, Vital Boon and Sig of Pious Light both also seem to be popular. I don't use them much any more myself, but they do seem to be more incentive to use Earth Prayers.)
That's not saying it can't be dealt with, but having one skill that can neutralise all forms of blocking has it's advantages, especially when you're already carrying other Earth skills on your bar such as Ebon Dust Aura.
(Idly, Vital Boon and Sig of Pious Light both also seem to be popular. I don't use them much any more myself, but they do seem to be more incentive to use Earth Prayers.)
Terraban
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Health regen only helps save you in situations where you didn't need saving. I can't think of a single non-farming build where the slot wouldn't have been better used with another skill.
It is also a way to help remove pressure off of your monk, and give another enchantment for Windwalker armor.
Will it save you from the 500 armor ignoring damage spike? No, but your Armor of Sanctity might not either.
Will it counter an almost infinite amount of degeneration and/or pressure attacks? Yes.
I really don't see why not to take it. My current build still manages to have EDA, and 3 attack skills including Wild Blow, and still run Mystic Regeneration. I could possibly switch it out for your mentioned Armor of Sanctity, but both have their pros and cons.
You also forgot [skill=text]Conviction[/skill], which is a pretty good skill if you don't have other armor boosters in your party.
I am pretty sure that [skill=text]Staggering Force[/skill] ranks pretty high up there in the useless earth prayers list. If the damage was changed to nearby, then it could possibly be better. The humping their leg condition for it is kind of annoying.
Will it save you from the 500 armor ignoring damage spike? No, but your Armor of Sanctity might not either.
Will it counter an almost infinite amount of degeneration and/or pressure attacks? Yes.
I really don't see why not to take it. My current build still manages to have EDA, and 3 attack skills including Wild Blow, and still run Mystic Regeneration. I could possibly switch it out for your mentioned Armor of Sanctity, but both have their pros and cons.
You also forgot [skill=text]Conviction[/skill], which is a pretty good skill if you don't have other armor boosters in your party.
I am pretty sure that [skill=text]Staggering Force[/skill] ranks pretty high up there in the useless earth prayers list. If the damage was changed to nearby, then it could possibly be better. The humping their leg condition for it is kind of annoying.
cellardweller
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Will it save you from the 500 armor ignoring damage spike? No.
Will it counter an almost infinite amount of degeneration and/or pressure attacks? Yes.
Quote: Originally Posted by Terraban I really don't see why not to take it. My current build still manages to have EDA, and 3 attack skills including Wild Blow, and still run Mystic Regeneration. I could possibly switch it out for your mentioned Armor of Sanctity, but both have their pros and cons. The reason not to take it is because you only have 8 slots.
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You also forgot [skill=text]Conviction[/skill], which is a pretty good skill if you don't have other armor boosters in your party.
I didn't forget it, I deliberately left it off because the condition never exists. Every party should have watch yourself, stand your ground or save yourselves somewhere.
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The reason not to take it is because you only have 8 slots.
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Originally Posted by Terraban
I am pretty sure that [skill=text]Staggering Force[/skill] ranks pretty high up there in the useless earth prayers list. If the damage was changed to nearby, then it could possibly be better. The humping their leg condition for it is kind of annoying.
With correct bodyblocking the difference between adjacent and nearby is non-existant, but the point in using it is not for the damage, it is for the weakness which is why you'd only use it when your party lacked a curses nec.
Reducing all attack damage damage against you by 2/3 > 10 pips of regen. EDIT: Sorry I think I've derailed the thread. Forget I said anything  . Back on topic, yes wind prayers have some niche uses but are for the most part very sucky.
Terraban
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Armor of Sanctity:Pros: Slightly cheaper than Mystic Regen (3-4 energy every 20 seconds) Counters unlimited low damage packets Cons: Cannot counter degeneration. Monsters have to be conditioned, if not this does nothing. Has to be renewed twice as often. Does not count large packets of damage that well.
Mystic RegenerationPros: Almost no condition, so 100% effect most of the time.
- Costs more energy than Armor of Sanctity (3-4 energy every 20 seconds)
Can not counter multiple low damage packets.
Twice the time spent casting compared to Mystic Regeneration.
Also does not counter large damage packets.
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I didn't forget it, I deliberately left it off because the condition never exists. Every party should have watch yourself, stand your ground or save yourselves somewhere.
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