Nightfall Necromancer V.S. Ritualist

quadrophenik

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

Pyro

W/P

Im making a new nightfall character and i want armies of.......

So my dicision is between A necromancer or Ritualist. Any suggestions?

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

Necro can have 10 minions at higher level than Rit, because a Rit can't use Superior (or any) Death runes, and is limited to max attribute of 12.

If you check the forums you will find a rather nice build for a Rit/N that runs minions, but as stated in first sentence they won't be as numerous or as powerful.

Shakti

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

If you are creating the char in NF you can't create a ritualist. Rits can only be created in Factions, so you'd have to create there then cross to nf.

street peddler

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

well seeing as you cant make a ritualist in nightfall, i think the answer is pretty clear..

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

Well... if you mean Nightfall Nec vs Factions Rit...

I'd choose the Nec because there are far more build options to choose from.

Lady Raenef

Lady Raenef

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Oregon, USA.

Zero Mercy [zm]

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Go with Paragon. Forget minions, they get boring REALLY fast. At least, for me they did. I deleted my necromancer with all the necro skills, half the mesmer, 15k necrotic dyed black......yep.

Catrion-Leyt

Catrion-Leyt

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

In this remote place called hell.

Archons Ascendant [Arch]

R/E

Ritualist. Only because I can't stand the way necromancers look and stand. The male's back is always hunched over and the female has strange faces. Ritualists stand up straight and you can hide their faces.

Oh, I guess I should mention something else about necromancers. I've created quite a few, minion master and not. The minions really do get boring. I hate just sitting back and watching my minions fight. Maybe if I was up there with them, doing something, I'd enjoy it. But as the minion master is, I will not make another.

Sujoy

Sujoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

In Livia's Cleavage (.)ME(.)

The Early Monk Heals The Worm [EMHW]

Mo/

if you're limiting yourself to only minions, you are truely insulting the profession of necromancer, they are probably the most versatile profession out there... alot of fun when you get the hang of it.

undeadgun

undeadgun

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

US

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Catrion-Leyt
Ritualist. Only because I can't stand the way necromancers look and stand. The male's back is always hunched over and the female has strange faces. Ritualists stand up straight and you can hide their faces.

Oh, I guess I should mention something else about necromancers. I've created quite a few, minion master and not. The minions really do get boring. I hate just sitting back and watching my minions fight. Maybe if I was up there with them, doing something, I'd enjoy it. But as the minion master is, I will not make another.
Doesnt Rit's spirit spammer same as a MM? however, one thing different between spirits and minions, minion got legs, spirits dont.

Sujoy

Sujoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

In Livia's Cleavage (.)ME(.)

The Early Monk Heals The Worm [EMHW]

Mo/

Minions = meatshield

Spirits = not meatshield

that's a BIG difference

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

Really depends on how you want to use the minions imo

The necro MM has a better chance to get a small army going that mostly just fights and keep them going no matter what.
He can add conditions to the fight and do indirect damage with skills like death nova.
But but mostly he runs a pack of zombies.


The Ritualist has the ability to raise them and to heal, gain energy + do lightning damage when they are created.
So the rit probably uses undead more for the short term.

Boon of creation gives health and energy when you animate
Explosive growth does 56 lightning damage to 5 nearby foes
Spirits gift heals allies that are near the animated creature.
If you animate minions all the effects are X2 per body used.

Necro/Rit or Rit/Necro either will work.

Vinraith

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sujoy
if you're limiting yourself to only minions, you are truely insulting the profession of necromancer, they are probably the most versatile profession out there... alot of fun when you get the hang of it.
QFT Easily my favorte class because they can do damn near anything, including immitate any other casting class with excellent results. Boundless energy in most situations FTW.

Made In Ascalon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

None

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sujoy
if you're limiting yourself to only minions, you are truely insulting the profession of necromancer, they are probably the most versatile profession out there... alot of fun when you get the hang of it.
I don't see how necros are more versatile than other casters, including rits.

Sujoy

Sujoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

In Livia's Cleavage (.)ME(.)

The Early Monk Heals The Worm [EMHW]

Mo/

Well for starters, which other profession can give energy regen, life steal, spread mucho conditions, nuke shit that go BOOM when they die, use minions to control aggro, buff others (orders) and the list goes on... I'm just being lazy.

Redfeather1975

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

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I didn't know necs could imitate all the other caster classes.
I thought that was the mesmer's forte.

Go for rit if you want to get your hands dirty.
Go for nec if you want to be someone's battery, a minion leash, or SS monkey.

I'm just kidding guys! I prefer necro's over rits, but rits are still lots o' fun.

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Spiral of The Red Rose, Kryta (Columbus, IN)

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

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This is funny.

Anyone remember me having the exact same type of topic not long ago?

It turned out to be like three pages, with the ultimate decision landing on the Ritualist.

enmitee

enmitee

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

[Liar]

Rt/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Made In Ascalon
I don't see how necros are more versatile than other casters, including rits.
n/rt healer rules the restorer rit

Moloch Vein

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

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The original poster is asking what to create if he wants to run minions.

I think anyone not answering necromancer is being quite silly.

Curse You

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moloch Vein
The original poster is asking what to create if he wants to run minions.

I think anyone not answering necromancer is being quite silly.
Never seen a Rt/N MM have we? Works quite well.

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Curse You
Works quite well.
Only when you ignore the fact that Ritualist MMs are pretty gimped due to their lack of Soul Reaping and the ability to hit 14 Death Magic.

The explosions are pretty cool though.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Rits can't use Bloodstained boots as well which an MM uses although there are more uses for a Necro other than MMing.The only problem with making MM in either NF or Factions is they don't have any of the Verata's skills.

Sir Pandra Pierva

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sardelec yelling at Tenshi

Angels Of Strife

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Very few MMs I see use Vertas gaze or sac.....I can't think of any more atm.

Moloch Vein

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Curse You
Never seen a Rt/N MM have we? Works quite well.
I prefer the bang to the bells and whistles.

And oh no, I've never seen a Rt/N MM...

Touketsu Hasu

Touketsu Hasu

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

At my computer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Made In Ascalon
I don't see how necros are more versatile than other casters, including rits.
As said before, with Soul Reaping necros can have unlimited energy in most situations. Rit's primary attribute? Woohoo, your minions and spirits are a tiny bit stronger and have more HP...good for nothing other than Rt/N MM and spirit spammer. Necros can also run a restoration build better than most primary rits as well, and can spam weapon spells more effectively most of the time as well.

D A R K S O I F O N

D A R K S O I F O N

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2009

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Unexpected Advantage (UA)

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Go with necro. Don't worrie bout mm builds cause there way to over rated but definetly go for necro. They work well for everything you can do in gw. From uw/ha/gvg/hb/pve and pvp

Snograt

Snograt

rattus rattus

Join Date: Jan 2006

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D A R K S O I F O N, I think the OP has made his necro, finished Nightfall, then retired. He hasn't posted since January 2008.

I suppose that, of all subjects, this would seem to be the ideal thread to raise from the dead, but we'd really rather you didn't