Champ Points - Just an idea

Well im sure some people will have come to that time where they were gvging in a guild with less rating than 1200 and out preformed a rating 1200+ guild and you felt very proud but there was nothing rewarding, nothing you could keep except a +3 rating. I feel that the rule for champ points should be that if you beat a guild with more than 1200 rating then you get a champ point, the req should not be that you also need to have 1200+, this is because in the end if you have the skill to beat the rating 1200+ guild you should be rewarded. Some people might argue just get your guild to 1200+ rating if your soo good but some people might not have the time or activity in guild to get that high. Opinions?

/not signed.
Then people will just ask 1200+ guild to lose against you and farm champ points :s

but what dumb guild would actually accept that.

that kind of thinking is how that kind of bs gets started

good idea /signed

I like this, even though i'm not in a guild that plays GvG.

only two members lol

as Performance says only a dumb guild would lose on purpose, because obviously their ratign would take a nosedive!

nice if those playing against the top guilds actually got champ points for it

/signed

Yeah, go ahead, encourage smurfing even more.

/notsigned

sounds fair

smurfing?

/signed

If you have the skill to beat a champion guild, you should get a reward. Pretty obvious isnt it?

Smurfing is when a high ranked guild plays under a low ranked one to get quicker matches.
Im agreed with Aera, it would only promote smurfing.

Agreed. /notsigned

signed..would improve the actual gameplay and let GW become again abit more FUN

pvp titles are so or so all tooo much overrated and need way too much insane time... for pve players, which want to collect those for KoaBD just absolutely insane ...

alone Hero title takes YEARS to reach the highest rank... when should any player find meanwhile alos the time..to farm for Gladiator and for Champ points oO

thats just insane...those titles need really nerfs. to bring them for both kinds of players..regardless if now pvp player or pve player..to a humanous requirement of time needed to max those titles..so that even casual gamers have a good chance to get done with GW1 at least with their main character..before GW2 gets released

smurfing = fun?
how does it improve gameplay btw? it only adds more ways to get champ pts

more ways to receive points for somethign is ever good..because it offers to the player ALTERNATIVES .. game becomes not so quick boring and players receive quicker the feeling of getting further....as when you know from the beginn on..that even when you play daily for like 5 hours + up to like insane 8 hours, that it will needs like months to years..until your finished with farming points for 1 single title

long term motivation yest..but not with such ridiculous insane high setted ratios of needed time to do it...

so quicker your done with something..so quicker you can do other things, which make again more fun..then farming only day for day ..hours for hours points for a title...until you can't see anymore the game, because you still haven't maxed this dumb one title after a half timeage of playing and farming in gvg's *sarcasm*


Normally simple players should receive every time champ points , simple for winning a gvg...just like players should receive 1 gladi point for each win in a pvp match ...this stuff about needign to make 5 wins in a row just sucks and slows the whole title only down and makes it stupid insane long termed..to reach max...
If your totally unlucky...a player needs 40000 win strikes of 5 wins in a row..just to get that 1 title maxed ...thats insane..have you any clue about..how long this takes to win 40000 times 5 times in a row.... in RA/TA
For a player, which does nothing else.then only playing pvp each day..its alot easier..but for the pve gamer..its an ridiculous kick into the face.

Its really enough..when they raise the needed rank points from 40000 to say 100000 and then counts every win in a pvp match for 1 Gladi Point..and raises for every win strike then by +1 to a max of 5 points per win (which needs a win strike of 20 first to reach it ...)

pvp titles are insanely bad concepted and really need more changings imo to make them a bit easier getable for pve characters...which also lose several moths vs. pvp characters..because the pve gamer has to reach first the strength and the skills to be a worthy enemy in PvP with max armor...max HP...max stats and skills, with that you have a chance in pvp...the pvp chara starts with all the basic stuff having maxed and loses so no time to collect gladi points


In pve you can farm titles within hours..if you are really good prepared, and you know the right farm spot, where you can farm solo to receive the benefits alone...and for pvp titles you needs months to years.... uhm imo this difference shows me..how bad concepted pvp titles are in kind of effort the player has to take on....

wouldn't those titles be part of the Hall of Monuments..i wouldn't complain here..but they are and that means...that both kinds of titles should be reachable by both kinds of mode players in nearly the same time!!

The Champion title is the only title left the actually means something. Devaluing it is not desirable.
The current champ boundry is around #150, if you can't reach that level, you aren't getting a champ title even if the 1200+ req is taken away.

/notsigned

I agree wholeheartedly with whatever ibreak said.

... whatever he said

Indeed. A lot of people still don't see the difference between earning and getting a title. In case of the champ title, you really have to earn it.

/notsigned

Idiotic thread, please close.

What constructive criticism from an idiot poster.

I agree, all you should have to do is beat a 1200 rating guild. How would this encourage smurfing? Wouldn't you get lower rank guilds when you are a lower rank yourself? My guild has terrible rating and we rarely go against 1200+ rating.

If you play at 1100-1150 rating, and don't farm dead hours, you'll get 1200s pretty regularly.

fail, it may offer ALTERNATIVES but it also removes PROGRESSION from the title, if you arent making the effort to get the rating you get from PROGRESSING for the title or being a serious PvP'er you therefore dont deserve it.

also, smurfing is one thing we DONT want to encourage, i myself believe you want a full title menu of tickboxes with no effort needed.

i want just only good concepted titles..which don't need like half years or longer for the 0815 normal player to be maxed...

It can't be for those pvp titles.. that players have to mutate into absolutely powergaming hardcore freaks, which play daily 24/7 for like 5 to 8 hours or even much longer..only to reduce the time needed to max the wished title to a humanous normal gauge level >.>

Gladiator Title requires, if you have no luck at all in getting high win row to raise the points you get for every 5 wins in a row ..., 40000 win rows of 5 wins in a row.

For a normal player to more or less casual gamer which plays alot more pve..then pvp..this is ridiculous...

Champion title needs atm 10000 wins in GvG vs. Guilds.. that are 1200 rated and your own one even needs to be also rated this >.>
Has anyone a clue..how long it takes to fight 10000 high rated gvg's oO I doubt not...

hero title .... best of all... to reach the at the moment highest Rank 15 ..you have to gain 100000 Fame points, which anet lets you only gain from winning the HA..at least there raise the ponts gained for every win row quite quick up to 40 points per win after a win row 13... but I doubt such a win row as none guild ever reached yet and when ...then only through total lame unbalanced group builds at times...where skills got not balanced..before you made these wein rows..

as said..the differance of needed effort between pve titles and pvp titles shows me personally only..how bad concepted pvp titles are and i lie surely right..if I say..these bad concepts are even "wanted" ...

Bad long term motivation concepts,which should bring the people to play Guild Wars excessively...until the players fall into online addiction and find it totally normal to play day for day over 8 hours in GW..just to farm and grind 24/7 for title points...because otherwise it would mean, that its needs over a half year of grinding and much longer..until the player which wants to receive the title "implement now here any pvp or bad on grinding concepted pve title here" reaches his goal to max title X...


For Survivor title..you needs. when you are really good prepared only several HOURS now thx to Eye of the North..until you've maxed it ...

look only at the Hero title...it exists now since Factions is out, thats like 2 years around how logn this title exists... and I don't want know...how manye players out there exist, which farm for this title fame points..since the title exists daily and haven't reached R15 until TODAY....

that should give ANET really to think imo..not to mention Champion, Gladiator and especially the most bad concepted pvp titles of all. the Luxon/Kurzick Title..which spread only out the pure "Insanity" of being totally bad concepted.

As also said. whouldn't the pvp titles be HoM showable ..i would absolutely care less about them...but they are and that means imo to me..that the relation of receving these titles should be for pve and for pvp characters in kind of the pvp titles (because nothing else can receive the pvp character) should be the same..because in kind of pvp titles it still begins being unfair with the pvp characters being in advantage over pve characters..because pve characters need first to become "pvp ready" and that takes a while...

time that the pvp player can use direct in getting first points for any pvp title... also the pvp character has not to care for anything else then playing pvp..while the pve character has to make meanwhile first eventually other things..like making missions to come further for new needed skills...and espcially the very much time consuming shit about capping elite skills and having to hunt the bosses for them ...otherwise it means also too lots of farming for gold....because from somethign the signeds must be payed in the end ..right ?... also somethign the pvp character has to care nothing about..pff for what needs a pvp char gold ...the pvp char got already blown everything into his virtual a**


A Human plays and things in most cases logical...show me one logical thinking human...which wouldn't prefer playing direct Guild Wars 2 in like 2 years, when it will be released over farming and grinding all current 40 titles to max of GW as veteran player, which playes GW since its beginning to have later in GW the optimal best start as a veteran, with all thinks, what the hall of Monuments will provide veterans for all their time spent in GW1...when this massively grinding and farming of those 40(42..one atm not gainable, when u have an other..the typical dumb LS/LDoA problem and including KOaBD as title for titles) ..takes together far more then 2 years to getting it done !!!, before GW2 gets released

and even then..you made all that effort only with 1 single character and have never received the feeling of how the game is...completing it with all your characters of the account..because they simple need so much time to be maxed with 1 single character..that the players don't even find anymore any time for all their other characters and find it only as wasted time..to play with other characters, than their main character and title farmer ...


this big problem is really well known in all GW forums and ingame....but when then people talk about this problem and make suggestions for solving it..which ends up in changing any title..which are part of this big problem...than its funny of how stubborn people defend those titles..that they don't should be changed (mostly only..because those players made it the hard way with at least 1 characters and are then so selfish..to grand other players not the improvement of gameplay/fun and start talking then ever..really ever about "the titles value" ..

rofl ...people..get awake..as if things like titles would have any value lol
titles are surreal, they can't have a value.... when they have a value..than only a personal one and that changes from person to person ...

and the is also no diffeenre of earning and getting ....thats nonsense ... there is at the moment in GW about bad concepted titles only

1 personal Difference in kind of better saying "choice", which each player for itself has to make...and that is:

"Do i want to mutate into an online addicted hardcore powergaming Zombie Grinder for this title.. or do i want that not ?

Why it would encourage smurfing? A 1200+ guild would lose ranks to help a lowest guild earning champ pts?
Isnt that exactly the case atm? I mean EXACTLY. The 1200+ have to lose (thus wont remain 1200+ for a long time).
We arent talking about champ pts for every wins in GvG. Only when you beat a 1200+ guild.
Actually, if my guild (say ranked 1100) beat a 1300 guild, we dont earn points. If my guild (now 1210) beat the same 1300 guild, we earn points.
Thats blatantly unfair.
Champion points are reserved. Bye bye noob.
*sigh*

Comment about previous posts, saying that PvP titles are impossible to max:
Yeah, we, PvPers arent playing for KaoBD, we really dont care about that, we dont want to reach the max level, we play for the score. Go back farming your titles and dont post on such subjects plz. (dont take it bad..)

If you have the skill to beat a champion guild you will reach 1200+ in no time.

if you dont see how this is bad then you dont gvg in the first place.

smurf guilds will be formed to farm champ pts with themselvs. is this hurting anyone? no, its just letting the already champ players get higher title teirs.

Pretty much sums it up.

/not signed

buy a guild and play b-spike :>

/notsigned, as said: smurfing

Why do people care about champ points anyways? It doesn't measure anything, and won't get you into the top guilds. To me, it's just something handy to have to show in your hall of monuments.

and thats the point..a PvP Character will never come to the Hall of Monuments, because the PvP-Character stays only in the PvP Islands (unless anet has changed there something, that I didn't recognized yet)
So a pvp Character can't collect enough titles to ever reach the max of KoaBD...

the only titles that a PvP Character gain gain over time are

Hero, Champion, Gladiator, the 2 Faction Titles, Commander >5 = KoaBD rank 1
Lucky/Unlucky..wisdom and drunkard (only through xunlai chest transfers) >10 Titles maximum a Pvp Character can reach..so don't tell me nonsense ManiSan

all the rest are PvE titles which a PvP Character CAN'T earn..don't post on this thread, when you have no clue about what your talking
Sure you can have the intention to max those titles..but KoaBD will be 1 titles, that will be NEVER maxed by any PvP Character, unless anet implements alot more PvP-Titles to compensate the big lack of pvp titles to reach enough to receive the highest rank of KoaBD, what can atm only reached through PvE, because its in the end still a PvE Title.

So we it comes to logic..its in the end absolutely unlogical, that pvp titles get shown in the HoM...the only player that can have use of it being shown in the HoM is the PvE Player....with its PvE-Characters....

But or the PvE Player it takes ALOT more time to max any of those pvp titles. then for a PvP Characters, what results imo in its bad concept.

Good concepted would be, when both..pve and pvp character would reach those pvp titles in nearly the same time..with the same effort..but thats atm absolutely not the case

I nominate the above poster to be the biggest fool of the year. I can't tell if you think I'm a PvEer who has no chance of getting the champ title or a PvPer that doesn't PvE at all.

So you're saying PvP players can't PvE, and PvE players can't PvP? Great logic you got there.

Why does maxing titles matter at all? You only need r8 hero, r3 champ/glad/commander to show it in HoM. Looks like you don't have any of those, which is why you don't understand the mechanics behind it.

Phoenix, I would reccomend each of us sticks to talking about what we understand. Divine discusses champ points, you create concept classes.

O, while we're at it. Make the PvP titles show something interesting in the HoM, it's ridiculous that easier titles get cooler monuments.

what does the champ title monument look like? i dont have r3 champ, and the hero title monument is fugly.

on a side note, the monument you get for clearing UW looks badass =[

thanks guys. I needed a good laugh while i was at work.


/notsigned for obvious reasons

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This would be completely unfair for the r1200+ guilds.

in the olden days, when a champion was defeated, the person that slayed that champion became the new one.

/signed.

U've to learn that not everything written, because only somethign that got quoted from you means to be an answer, which is directed to your person ...

I only quoted something of you...but the rest was all just an answer to something ManiSan wrote...

PS: but one thing i learned now thx to your answer... I didn't know before I posted my posting..that for the pvp titles is not the max needed to show them in the HoM...
I thought..all the others need max..so pvp's will surely need also max to be shown....at this point of thinking you can surely agree me..that this would be insane ...but now..where I know, that for these pvp titles the maximum isnt needed...that changes naturally then my opinion and lets me look to these titles in an absolutely different kind of view now which lets me think, that not so much must be changed on those titles..as thought before...

I'd really hate to hear your justification for this if they kept the champ point range at 1500....

Because no offense, but you're reasoning for it now is retarded...

If pvp titles are so overrated why do you seem to want them so bad?

Want to get a champ title? Get good at the game.

that would answer about every thread in the forums, and we cant have that kind of logic, cmon now

because they belong to the game..they belong to the HoM..they are part of what you will receive later as unlocks for GW2...because I'm a perfectionist...and perfectionist play a game through at 101%....and until a perfectionist hasn't played through a game for 101% with at least his/her main character, if there are multiple characters...then the perfectionist isnt HAPPY XD

and because the concept about pve titles to pvp titles is BROKEN and needs a slight change.... i don't say that anet should make out these titles somethign totally different..no. just only some little tweaks here and there which should make those titles more fairer to receive and to gain points for....and this quick enough..that it doesn't need like 6 months and far more to get the stuff done...


when it would need like 6+ months to play through the whole game storyise..this would be awesome...but such time needed for 1 title...eh..is imo ridiculous and is far over the point of normal thinking about long term motivatin... thats far more the direction of "how to get our players online addicted" ...

You're fundamentally misunderstanding the point of these pvp titles.

They're designed to show off skill/experience.

They're not meant to be collected.