Armor+5 or HP+30?

as topic, i am wondering is there worth using armor +5 on ur weapon? HP+30 seems alot more versitale, and definitely alot more popular in both PvE and PvP... but i will like to know what ppl's take on this

Carry one of each; use the armor boost until you're about to die, then switch to +30. The rest of the time the extra health isn't doing you any good.

If you can't be bothered switching, +armor works best in PvE simply because its working every single time you take armor effected damage (such as an enemy wanding you) while, like October Jade said, +hp is doing nothing unless you are between 0 and 30 hp with it equipped.

And + armor is usually cheaper to buy.

with armor ignoring spells though the +30 does you a lot more good.

People buy +30hp for more, so it's a +5 weapon i'll usually cuztomise it.
I'd say +5 is better, +30hp makes it sell better

How often do you get between 30 and 0 hp on the +hp mod ?

And of those occasions, how many of them have you actually survived ?

I was about to reach for the dead horse .gif... but I'll throw you a bone.

It depends on what you're fighting.

i'm a pve MM necro, and for my playstyle, I'd have to go with the +30 hp...since I'm going to be constantly giving my HP to my minions...

So it's really a question that varies based on your character...

You'll actually be better off having less health as a MM. Blood of the Master sacrifice is based on your max health, so the lower your max HP is, the less you sacrifice.

thanks for the tip..i'm still new, so I'll have to mess around with it in game

No problem. Here's a link you may find useful:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/General..._mastery_guide

Although you should always remember that the wiki is created by players. So it's not always 100% accurate.

Generally I would go for +30hp but that's just my opinion.

This has been argued for a couple years. I think October Jade's sugestion is good.

Ive been told that +30 is better for a spellcasters actually. The reason why was that spellcasters generally stayed in the back, far enough not to be hit at least. While armor is by far VERY useful to a spellcaster since they have very low armor, ive been told that +30 would be "better". This is what i have been told from past gw gururers, since i believe i asked this exact same question

P.S. for mm's go 36% HSR and HCT(two 20's combined) its better since you need to gain as many minions as fast as possible

i'd go with +30 hp simply because it's good in any situation. i've been reduced down to <30hp in pvp more times than i can count.

PvP? +30

PvE? Cheapest thing you can find!

PvP +30

PvE +5 Armor if you are going to keep it, +30 if you want to sell it.

Why? Everyone wants +30 because a few vocal players decided it was the only thing worth having and everyone else that can't think for themselves simply agree. +30 against a mob of monsters wont do you much, while +5 will reduce the overall damage you take.

Wiki article on armor rating. The first thing you should note is that for armor effected damage +x armor will always reduce the damage received by the same percentage regardless of the starting AL for a given value of x.

+5 armor is an 8.3% damage reduction

Lets assume a level 20 character with a sup vigor and a sup attribute rune. So 480 + 50 - 75 = 455 hp

If you add a +30 hp mod you bring your hp to 485, and the +30 only makes up 6.2% of your total hp. If you increase your hp from other sources, this percentage decreases. For the +30 mod to be above 8.3% of your hp, you would need to be at 361hp with the mod (30/0.083).

But even then it only performs as well as the +AL if your either not being healed, or your only taking armor ignoring damage. For PvE I'm not aware of a single enemy that does armor ignoring damage that doesn't also use its basic attack. And the only armor ignoring basic attack I know of is if they illusionary weaponry up. So apart from the illusionary weaponry enemies, every PvE enemy will cause the +al mod to take effect.

On the other hand +hp will only work in two situations:
1 - You take the damage to pull you under 30hp with the mod and you get healed before dying. Since your at <30hp, this will only take a wand or two.

2 - You manage to do something useful before dying, like getting off a skill just before the fatal blow comes.

In all other situations it does nothing except let more hp get lost to saccing or let 3 more damage per hit slip through prot spirit.

For PvE if either of these cases come up, you got really lucky.

Dunno who uses 485 hp as that is very low. Most people use minors now having there health around 585-640 hp

Use whatever you feel you like, test out both and see if they fit your playing style. If you run into a lot of physical dmg use +5, or if you have heavy degen use +30.

I prefer +30 health myself, although many of my Hero's weapons have +5 armor. Armor +5 only helps against attack damage, whereas h+30 helps give you a bigger buffer against degen type damage (poison, bleeding, etc.)

But, as they say, it depends on your playstyle and such.