I just fancy something different to the usual Monk/SF/MM combinations, and hopefully more effective!
Any ideas or thoughts are much appreciated.
Heroes to use with a Paragon?
TleilaxuMaster
I've been using my standard LoD/Prot with SF Ele (For burning), but presumably some sort of physical (melee, Ranger/Paragon) setup would be better, as Paragon's skills tend to lean quite heavily toward the physical attacker. Perhaps orders, etc? Monk henches aren't that bad, plus paragon's damage reduction...
I just fancy something different to the usual Monk/SF/MM combinations, and hopefully more effective!
Any ideas or thoughts are much appreciated.
I just fancy something different to the usual Monk/SF/MM combinations, and hopefully more effective!
Any ideas or thoughts are much appreciated.
Squeak2
go to the sticky and get the ToF tank build for Para hero. A monk, then an Axe warrior, cleave, cyclone axe, etc.
Fun fun melee group.
Fun fun melee group.
blakecraw
In many places I like to run 3 sf eles, "They're on Fire," and the various motivation arias that give bonuses for casting spells. Why bother buffing physicals when you don't need a tank since everybody has "They're of Fire" and "There's Nothing to Fear" on them?
distilledwill
Paragons synergise well with... other paragons.
If you have EOTN, Id suggest setting one up with a command build, one with a motivation build and yourself with a spear DPS/TNTF/SY! build and just walk through everything laughing like its christmas.
If you have EOTN, Id suggest setting one up with a command build, one with a motivation build and yourself with a spear DPS/TNTF/SY! build and just walk through everything laughing like its christmas.
Koning
I usually run with 2 other para (or para + warrior sometimes) and an order. For henches depending on HM/NM 2 or 1 monk, a fighter, earth, ranger (if in EotN, barrage+order) or interrupt. Really nice damage, and almost unbeatable
odly
When doing H/H I've been taking 2SF's and a MM.
They're on Fire : combines nicelly with the SF's.
Got for the eyes : help improve the minnions.
There's nothing to fear : helps everyone.
Adrenalin spear attacks, watch yourselves, paragon res sig
considering : vanguard standard of + damage/fast recharge, or I'm the strongest, ...
They're on Fire : combines nicelly with the SF's.
Got for the eyes : help improve the minnions.
There's nothing to fear : helps everyone.
Adrenalin spear attacks, watch yourselves, paragon res sig
considering : vanguard standard of + damage/fast recharge, or I'm the strongest, ...
TleilaxuMaster
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Fun fun melee group.
Quote: Originally Posted by blakecraw In many places I like to run 3 sf eles, "They're on Fire," and the various motivation arias that give bonuses for casting spells. Why bother buffing physicals when you don't need a tank since everybody has "They're of Fire" and "There's Nothing to Fear" on them? Indeed, but that's just boring. As I said I am bored of the usual SF/Monk/MM combinations.
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Paragons synergise well with... other paragons.
If you have EOTN, Id suggest setting one up with a command build, one with a motivation build and yourself with a spear DPS/TNTF/SY! build and just walk through everything laughing like its christmas. Hmm, sounds nice but I'll have to try it later on, due to the fact I haven't got Morgahn or Hayda yet. (I have Proph, Factions, NF and GWEN for the record, forgot to say.)
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I'm running a SY/TNTF Paragon with Sab's Necros. I vanquished Cantha H/H and now I'm halfway thru Elona vanquishing with same build.
Hehe, steamroller. If you have EOTN, Id suggest setting one up with a command build, one with a motivation build and yourself with a spear DPS/TNTF/SY! build and just walk through everything laughing like its christmas. Hmm, sounds nice but I'll have to try it later on, due to the fact I haven't got Morgahn or Hayda yet. (I have Proph, Factions, NF and GWEN for the record, forgot to say.)
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I usually run with 2 other para (or para + warrior sometimes) and an order. For henches depending on HM/NM 2 or 1 monk, a fighter, earth, ranger (if in EotN, barrage+order) or interrupt. Really nice damage, and almost unbeatable
Hmm, what's a hero order build? I can't seem to find any. Unless they just aren't flagged as hero builds.  Thanks a lot for your replies.
Koning
I picked it up somewhere on this forum, don't exactly remember from where.
Anyway: D/N Arcane zeal order of pain dark fury dwayna's touch mystic healing vow of piety (i believe) faitfull intervention watchfull intervention Works really good. You can also choose to go necromancer primary but this one has good healing capacity and energy is no problem.
Mitchel
I usually run Sab's because it's ownzz, or @ Paragon+Whatever I feel like
TleilaxuMaster
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I picked it up somewhere on this forum, don't exactly remember from where.
Anyway: D/N
Arcane zeal
order of pain
dark fury
dwayna's touch
mystic healing
vow of piety (i believe)
faitfull intervention
watchfull intervention
Works really good. You can also choose to go necromancer primary but this one has good healing capacity and energy is no problem. http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=425879
Found it! Thanks, it's very good even after the Mystic Healing nerf.
Anyway: D/N
Arcane zeal
order of pain
dark fury
dwayna's touch
mystic healing
vow of piety (i believe)
faitfull intervention
watchfull intervention
Works really good. You can also choose to go necromancer primary but this one has good healing capacity and energy is no problem. http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=425879
Found it! Thanks, it's very good even after the Mystic Healing nerf.
upier
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Paragons synergise well with... other paragons.
If you have EOTN, Id suggest setting one up with a command build, one with a motivation build and yourself with a spear DPS/TNTF/SY! build and just walk through everything laughing like its christmas. That's actually one of the few reasons why I'd get GWEN.
A second Para hero. /drools
I normally run Morgy, Masters (curses + channeling weapon spells) and a warrior.
Henchies - monks, paragons, warriors - whatever is available.
I don't do other squishes - maybe the occasional assassin if I can't get any other melee henchies.
If you have EOTN, Id suggest setting one up with a command build, one with a motivation build and yourself with a spear DPS/TNTF/SY! build and just walk through everything laughing like its christmas. That's actually one of the few reasons why I'd get GWEN.
A second Para hero. /drools
I normally run Morgy, Masters (curses + channeling weapon spells) and a warrior.
Henchies - monks, paragons, warriors - whatever is available.
I don't do other squishes - maybe the occasional assassin if I can't get any other melee henchies.
Arkantos
Running 2 paragon heroes and a D/N orders hero is pretty awesome.
erfweiss
I'm running a SY/TNTF Paragon with Sab's Necros. I vanquished Cantha H/H and now I'm halfway thru Elona vanquishing with same build.
Koning
TBH I tried that too (3 x necro), but it's kinda boring to me. It works, yes. But hitting 100+ with a spear is cooler imo, as well as being unbeatable (not that I was dying fast with 3x necro, but still..).
Moloch Vein
Me and my friend raced through the final missions in NF NM using a H/H build that changed very little between missions.
We both ran paragons with Soldier's Fury - or maybe Jim ran Cruel Spear, I can't remember.
Morgahn also ran Soldier's Fury with They're on Fire/Anthem of Flame etc.
Hayda ran Song of Restoration if I'm not mistaken.
I ran Motivation with the non-elite shouts.
Friend ran the Command shouts with GFTE.
I think Morgahn packed GFTE as well.
We packed two necromancers, one running SS+MoP+Barbs and the other running SV+Mark of Fury.
To round it up with included two monks. I don't even remember which builds they ran, I'm not even sure if they were both set to heal or prot.
Bottom line was we completed the final missions of NF (Kormir's Crusade -> Abaddon's Gate) with this setup and no other human players in an afternoon. It stood unchanged up to and including Abaddon with no party deaths when facing Abaddon, with Masters reward on all missions.
I would say that Paragons synergize better with Necromancers than any other class in PvE (excluding Paragons.) They are very similar as a class - high-influence characters. Necromancers have excellent utilities to augment damage, help gain adrenaline and buff the physicals, and they are also the only class capable of keeping up with the frightening energy engine of Leadership in PvE.
We both ran paragons with Soldier's Fury - or maybe Jim ran Cruel Spear, I can't remember.
Morgahn also ran Soldier's Fury with They're on Fire/Anthem of Flame etc.
Hayda ran Song of Restoration if I'm not mistaken.
I ran Motivation with the non-elite shouts.
Friend ran the Command shouts with GFTE.
I think Morgahn packed GFTE as well.
We packed two necromancers, one running SS+MoP+Barbs and the other running SV+Mark of Fury.
To round it up with included two monks. I don't even remember which builds they ran, I'm not even sure if they were both set to heal or prot.
Bottom line was we completed the final missions of NF (Kormir's Crusade -> Abaddon's Gate) with this setup and no other human players in an afternoon. It stood unchanged up to and including Abaddon with no party deaths when facing Abaddon, with Masters reward on all missions.
I would say that Paragons synergize better with Necromancers than any other class in PvE (excluding Paragons.) They are very similar as a class - high-influence characters. Necromancers have excellent utilities to augment damage, help gain adrenaline and buff the physicals, and they are also the only class capable of keeping up with the frightening energy engine of Leadership in PvE.
TleilaxuMaster
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Quote: Originally Posted by Moloch Vein Bottom line was we completed the final missions of NF (Kormir's Crusade -> Abaddon's Gate) with this setup and no other human players in an afternoon. It stood unchanged up to and including Abaddon with no party deaths when facing Abaddon, with Masters reward on all missions.
I would say that Paragons synergize better with Necromancers than any other class in PvE (excluding Paragons.) They are very similar as a class - high-influence characters. Necromancers have excellent utilities to augment damage, help gain adrenaline and buff the physicals, and they are also the only class capable of keeping up with the frightening energy engine of Leadership in PvE. Hm, that sounds like fun. Trying to get both Paragons from NF/GWEN as fast as I can to try them all together which is a bit of a pain working 12 hour days before Christmas. :[
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Originally Posted by Koning
TBH I tried that too (3 x necro), but it's kinda boring to me. It works, yes. But hitting 100+ with a spear is cooler imo, as well as being unbeatable (not that I was dying fast with 3x necro, but still..).
Yup, exactly. I just fancy something a bit different.Mel with the D/N build is brilliant! Absolutely love it.
Ninian_Grace
I usualy use a full caster team with my Paragon caster team build. mass dmg reduction and +defense with ''stand your ground!''
the_jos
Human para, 2x para hero (could swap out one for warrior), warrior hero (+1 instead of para), interrupt ranger hench, 2x monk hench and one optional hench. Para's are leadership/spear/command.
Used that in most of EotN, no more caster teams for me
Racthoh
I run these all the time:
Me: One of the following two depending on if I want to blow up mobs to have a little extra healing power: Again, depending on the area if it's hex heavy or condition heavy. Stuff dies, I don't. I'd run Spear of Lightning over Swift Javelin but no +damage from Order of Pain makes me sad.
Koning
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Stuff dies, I don't. I'd run Spear of Lightning over Swift Javelin but no +damage from Order of Pain makes me sad. Hmm thats true, although I don't see any big difference between how much I hit with spear of lightning or let's say vicious attack (since I haven't used swift javelin yet). Many times spear of lightning even hits for more damage. Probably gonna try swift javelin a bit because I realize it's synergy with the orders (and like you say spear of lightning doesn't have that).
Barghest
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I usually run Sab's because it's ownzz, or @ Paragon+Whatever I feel like
Hi!
What does Sab stand for? Is it a member ob this community and what build has he/she developed?
The Riven
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10200851
Someone should sticky this in nerco forum. Although the builds might need tweaking for each area one might visit, they are generaly sound.
Moloch Vein
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Stuff dies, I don't. I'd run Spear of Lightning over Swift Javelin but no +damage from Order of Pain makes me sad.
Obviously you know since you've tried... I was always assuming that SoL only did lightning damage on the "+".
Terraban
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Racthoh
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I mean, it is a pretty decent build, but why the hell is it so worshiped by most people? It's not THAT good
It works, and that's all that matters to people.
Koning
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I thought so as well until someone mentioned that it changed the entire attack to lightning damage and they were correct. To test it I went to the Isle of the Nameless and threw a Mark of Pain on a target then used SoL: there was no AoE damage.
Ok, so it doesn't trigger order of pain.
TBH I can live with that, since SoL on its own does pretty good damage. Only thing I can see is that swift javelin has a longer recharge than SoL has, thus saving you more energy in the long term for 10e things like ebon vanquard standard of honor ward. Since I never bring Mark of Pain/barbs I see no real advantage of this (for my builds that is).
Keekles
My para rolls with 2 other p/w, and a d/n orders derv. Fun fun fun.
Racthoh
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Basically yeah. If you're using any skills that trigger off of physical damage Spear of Lightning does no good. Sadly there are very few good energy attacks for spear so my options were narrowed to just Swift Javelin. I could use an adrenaline attack, but that takes away from the uptime of SY!.
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Only thing I can see is that swift javelin has a longer recharge than SoL has, thus saving you more energy in the long term for 10e things like ebon vanquard standard of honor ward.
Dark Fury + SY! + FA = insane energy.
ACreator
and what do u guys make about block?
kobey
Did a fow armor run yesterday with myself (paragon), 2 paragon heros, 1 D/N orders healer. Took about 40-45mins.
My opinion of this build as compared to 1 paragon, 2 sf and 1 mm is that the 3 paragon team build is almost indestructable. I can aggro 3 groups (accidentally of course) and survive. And its is awesome against high armor mobs like the destroyers. Some cons of this as compared to the SF+MM team build is that it lacks interupts, it lacks aoe. The 3 paragon team is a good one no doubt, just that when dealing with mobs which dun have insanely high armor (destroyer), the SF + MM team will generally be faster, with a little weaker defense. A point to take note is that I only used it so far in NM, so as for HM, i can't comment much. But from the way it looks, I am rather positive it can perform well.
distilledwill
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Did a fow armor run yesterday with myself (paragon), 2 paragon heros, 1 D/N orders healer. Took about 40-45mins.
My opinion of this build as compared to 1 paragon, 2 sf and 1 mm is that the 3 paragon team build is almost indestructable. I can aggro 3 groups (accidentally of course) and survive. And its is awesome against high armor mobs like the destroyers. Some cons of this as compared to the SF+MM team build is that it lacks interupts, it lacks aoe. The 3 paragon team is a good one no doubt, just that when dealing with mobs which dun have insanely high armor (destroyer), the SF + MM team will generally be faster, with a little weaker defense. A point to take note is that I only used it so far in NM, so as for HM, i can't comment much. But from the way it looks, I am rather positive it can perform well. Care to post your hero/player builds, just for kicks?
Racthoh
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and what do u guys make about block?
Change targets. You have a ranged weapon and Aegis is rare when it comes to PvE mobs. Unless the entire mob is composed of enemies with an evasion stance blocking shouldn't be an issue to a paragon. Leave those enemies to last when the victory is ensured.
distilledwill
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Change targets. You have a ranged weapon and Aegis is rare when it comes to PvE mobs. Unless the entire mob is composed of enemies with an evasion stance blocking shouldn't be an issue to a paragon. Leave those enemies to last when the victory is ensured.
Yup, although with my current setup thats not always necassery. Ive been running this hero setup with my new paragon:
N/Rt: variant on Sabs necro healer: [card]Weapon Of Remedy[/card][card]Splinter Weapon[/card][card]Ancestors' Rage[/card][card]Mend Body And Soul[/card][card]Spirit Light[/card][card]Protective Was Kaolai[/card][card]Life[/card][card]Death Pact Signet[/card] N/Mo: Sabs Jagged MM prot: [card]Jagged Bones[/card][card]Animate Bone Minions[/card][card]Death Nova[/card][card]Blood Of The Master[/card][card]Extinguish[/card][card]Protective Spirit[/card][card]Aegis[/card][card]Signet Of Lost Souls[/card] D/W: Lyssa Derv [card]Avatar Of Lyssa[/card][card]Heart Of Fury[/card][card]Heart Of Holy Flame[/card][card]Eremite's Attack[/card][card]Mystic Sweep[/card][card]Wild Blow[/card][card]Mystic Regeneration[/card][card]Faithful Intervention[/card] The combination of splinter on the dervish with the necro casting ancestors' rage on her all the time makes mobs go by by. The wild blow is very useful whilst going through Nightfall as kournan bowmen love their whirling defense. And they cant block AR 
kobey
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Care to post your hero/player builds, just for kicks?
I used the SY+TNTF paragon with TOF thrown in if there are SF eles.
As for heros, a command Defensive athem/dispel hex variant and a motivation SOP/SOR paragon. And the other slot goes to either the D/N Orders Healer, minion bomber or the weapon of remedy necro healer. Got alot of ideas from what Racthoh posted. And made changes here and there to suit my playing style. Used Spear of lighning instead of Swift Javelin. Armor penetration + higher critical chance from GFTE seems more attractive to me as compared to armor ignoring Not forgetting higher spammability.
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