GW2 World PvP wonders...
I Will Heal You Ally
So I have some concerns about this World PvP thing that is announced in GW2. As far as I've heard there will be 100+ people playing... My concern is if I (and probably a lot more) have some mediocre lag in AB while facing only 12 people... I'm scared to think of how much lag will I have with over 100 people?
Etta
Well by that time my pc and mac will be even more powerfull than the current one, so I'm not worry. I'm sure Anet will code their game so it'll work on most of the tomorrow (2009-10) home pc.
Anyway we'll forget about it by then because we'll be zooming about in the flying car!
Anyway we'll forget about it by then because we'll be zooming about in the flying car!
Yakumo
EVE Online is the only game I've played that had large scale PvP.
More often than not, I heard fleet battles were usually a lag fest. I've never taken part in a fleet battle, around 20 vs 20 was probably the closest I've got to such an experience, and that was painful to watch when lag kicked in.
EVE's single server game world didn't help, as those not interested in PvP were also affected. If you were just doing your own thing in PvE and jumped into a system where a large battle was taking place, you were pretty much stuffed (lag-wise).
Even if you were nowhere near the engagement, it was still possible to be affected by lag due to the server not being able to cope with what was going on elsewhere. I'm not sure if this still happens now, as I stopped playing quite a while ago.
I don't know how it's going to be for GW2, nor do I want to guess, but if they know the pitfalls of implementing something like this, then they should be able to avoid them.
More often than not, I heard fleet battles were usually a lag fest. I've never taken part in a fleet battle, around 20 vs 20 was probably the closest I've got to such an experience, and that was painful to watch when lag kicked in.
EVE's single server game world didn't help, as those not interested in PvP were also affected. If you were just doing your own thing in PvE and jumped into a system where a large battle was taking place, you were pretty much stuffed (lag-wise).
Even if you were nowhere near the engagement, it was still possible to be affected by lag due to the server not being able to cope with what was going on elsewhere. I'm not sure if this still happens now, as I stopped playing quite a while ago.
I don't know how it's going to be for GW2, nor do I want to guess, but if they know the pitfalls of implementing something like this, then they should be able to avoid them.
Alexandra-Sweet
There are 2D MMORPGs (Conquer Online) that allows 50 vs 50 PvP without lag, but these games are low quality and 2D, it will only take time before 3D games will be able to support 50 vs 50 PvP.
I Will Heal You Ally
well as I've read the last interview they say something between 100 or even 200. That would be very big. I guess there will be different districts and worlds, but still *points at AB* it gets unbearable.
nekopowa
Save up for a new pc, there's a whole year and more left till it's released, plenty of time.
Winstar
That is a new form of PvP that will be introduced. If its a bit much remember that there will also be new versions of GvG which is 8v8. Not sure about what will happen to HA/TA/RA type formats in the transition.
Washi
I've played Lineage II for more than 2 years. At the castle sieges you could get hundreds of players fighting eachother and as far as the connection lag goes there was no problem. If you are talkin about fps drop, then ofcourse it depends on your computer power and your graphic settings.
Anyway, epic battles > anything (IF the leaders are good and armies organized ofkoz)
Anyway, epic battles > anything (IF the leaders are good and armies organized ofkoz)
Mac Sidewinder
In Dark Ages of Camelot we had battles that consisted of 200 or so people at once. If you have a decent computer (lots of memory and good graphics card) then you usually had no problems. Of course nobody was trying to pvp with a dial up connection either.
Now that been a year ago so i'm pretty sure Anet will figure out any coding that needs to be done to keep lag at a minimum.
Now that been a year ago so i'm pretty sure Anet will figure out any coding that needs to be done to keep lag at a minimum.
Antheus
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There are 2D MMORPGs (Conquer Online) that allows 50 vs 50 PvP without lag, but these games are low quality and 2D, it will only take time before 3D games will be able to support 50 vs 50 PvP.
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50 vs. 50 should be no problem.
But rather than worrying about that, worry about the usual world pvp nonsense - stealth gankings, 10 to 1, corpse camping, perpetual imbalance between two factions, stalking low level players, griefing non-pvpers, etc...
Onarik Amrak
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Network lag and 3D are completely unrelated.
50 vs. 50 should be no problem. But rather than worrying about that, worry about the usual world pvp nonsense - stealth gankings, 10 to 1, corpse camping, perpetual imbalance between two factions, stalking low level players, griefing non-pvpers, etc... |
TaCktiX
A lot of people fail to realize how ridiculously efficient GW's network coding is right now. All the servers handle is player position, skill activation, player health/energy/equipment, and effects on players (Enchantments, hexes, etc.). All rendering, skill animations, etc. are handled on your computer. So handling 200+ people is an absolute cinch data-wise right now. If you're getting lag, consider getting a better computer, or dropping your detail settings, because in most cases it's the fault of your graphics card not being able to keep up.
quickmonty
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If you're getting lag, consider getting a better computer, or dropping your detail settings, because in most cases it's the fault of your graphics card not being able to keep up.
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Yeh .... how right you are.
On topic: Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
ensoriki
I'm willing to bet 10 dollars right now!
That Gw2 is similar to Nostale. (Not fully...but you know)
and world pvp Is almost the same, except with a twist!
That Gw2 is similar to Nostale. (Not fully...but you know)
and world pvp Is almost the same, except with a twist!
SleetDragon
Well the PVP idea will definetly be interesting. From the reports I heard it was a perpetual battle probaly held in diffrent and distant areas. Basically when ever you were ready to leave and enter battle you won't get a starting timer or a GO! icon. You'll be thrust into the heat of battle, so I would assume that with all the people coming in and out all the time Lag won't be so bad because you will have your own large isolated piece of map with many players spread across the plains Unless ya'll start mobbing yeah perhaps your FPS might slow down (imagine 50 attacks being executed in one frame XD) but nonetheless. If Anet says they can perform these actions and maintain it fluently on most up to date computers, then I have no doubt that whatever they decide to do it will be done, Anet is not very keen on lying to people (Keeping Secrets Maybe) but not lying.
milan
I can see it now..50 asuran sins ganking me all at once.
I'd assume that Anet have a solution in mind. If not then they'll soon work one out when the area is empty
I'd assume that Anet have a solution in mind. If not then they'll soon work one out when the area is empty
wetsparks
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Network lag and 3D are completely unrelated.
50 vs. 50 should be no problem. But rather than worrying about that, worry about the usual world pvp nonsense - stealth gankings, 10 to 1, corpse camping, perpetual imbalance between two factions, stalking low level players, griefing non-pvpers, etc... |
Also to the big battles with several hundred people, I have a feeling that to keep it from being to huge mobs fighting each other in the middle, the map will be rather big, got to protect this, try to capture that, keeping people in smaller groups so that your computer and internet connection only have to read, this happened somewhere where you aren't.
TaCktiX
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I laugh evertime I see this statement. Whole party lags ..... my fault. Whole guild is having lag problems ..... my fault.
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Skyy High
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Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by Antheus
Network lag and 3D are completely unrelated.
50 vs. 50 should be no problem. But rather than worrying about that, worry about the usual world pvp nonsense - stealth gankings, 10 to 1, corpse camping, perpetual imbalance between two factions, stalking low level players, griefing non-pvpers, etc... |
-Loki-
People need to stop calling FPS issues 'lag'. It's confusing to people who try to offer help when the person asking for help doesn't know how to properly communicate what problem they are talking about.
wetsparks
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Thats very easy to answer and was indeed answered by Jeff Strain and Mike O'Brien when they said that the main game world will not allow PvP and the Mists will lvl out every one onto a level playing field at the same stats
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kumiel
I'm pretty sure it won't be much of a problem. I remember a certain bug in AB a while ago that let every single player have 3 heroes with them. (12 players per team) * (2 teams) * (1 player + 3 heroes per player) = 64 players running around. And there were minions and pets on top of that because everyone wanted to test the Guild Wars system to see how much lag they could cause. I was running it on a decent computer with average specs and the game was suprisingly running fairly well. It was even one of my funnest (and funniest) pvp things ever.
Here is a picture to prove that it happened, it seems that nobody believes me when I tell them about this event:
So I am not in the least bit concerned about it because if the GW2 engine is anything like the GW1 engine there won't be a problem.
Oh and a Super Alliance Battle weekend would be the funnest thing ever
Here is a picture to prove that it happened, it seems that nobody believes me when I tell them about this event:
So I am not in the least bit concerned about it because if the GW2 engine is anything like the GW1 engine there won't be a problem.
Oh and a Super Alliance Battle weekend would be the funnest thing ever
aspectacle
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I think you are confusing structured pvp (like current gvg) with the big battles in "the mists." The mists anyone, of any level will stay that level and can find something to help out their side, but won't be artificially promoted to a level like the structured pvp.
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wetsparks
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And aspectacle, that is nit picking a bit, but I had also forgotten that feature they had mentioned.
pumpkin pie
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I am suspecting if you have to be playing with 23 different ip connected to one server, lag would be greater than if you play with 23 npc all on arena net server with one single ip connected (mine or yours for instant)
don't know, but thats my experience with lag.
Lonesamurai
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I think you are confusing structured pvp (like current gvg) with the big battles in "the mists." The mists anyone, of any level will stay that level and can find something to help out their side, but won't be artificially promoted to a level like the structured pvp.
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But as soon as I hear/see more, i'll be passing it on to you, but ANet and NCSoft have a current NDA on GW2 information (and some GW1 information too, which is interesting)
wetsparks
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1 up and 2 down
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That is from the interview that just was done a few days ago that was posted on the front page on GWG.
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Lonesamurai
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That is from the interview that just was done a few days ago that was posted on the front page on GWG.
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sage tank
I'm pretty sure it will run smooth just as long the battle occurs in an instance. Back few years when I was playing Runescape and there was a world war, literally over half of one of the server population (approximately over 1000) participated in a all out chaotic fight in less than 1% of the world map that lasted the entire afternoon (people died ran back up to join the fray...........). I'm pretty sure Anet can do better than the dumb old Jagex.
Rabid Fury
Judging from the Guild Wars team's masterful optimizing I'm sure that the game will be able to handle it to the maximum extent. And judging from the the fact that this is an aspect being launched with the game they should have no problem making it run perfectly fine.
Though there were horrible problems in games such as City of Heroes when something was suddenly added in the game causing the amount of players to be similar to what ANet is proposing to cause horrid network and server lag, but that was because it was an update, not a part of the game they had years to plan for. Which is why I'm sure ANet will have no problems.
Though there were horrible problems in games such as City of Heroes when something was suddenly added in the game causing the amount of players to be similar to what ANet is proposing to cause horrid network and server lag, but that was because it was an update, not a part of the game they had years to plan for. Which is why I'm sure ANet will have no problems.