An Idea For KoaBD Title Track

I know a problem alot of people have with this is that it's nearly impossible to get unless you only play one character. For the people who have alot of characters, it makes this title nearly impossible to get (if you want to play on all of them).

So, my idea is to have it count the titles from all of your characters, but one title can only be counted once. So if somebody had 2 characters that both had R10 Sunspear they would still only have 1 point in KoaBD. This way it doesn't really cheapen it for the people who already got it (They'd be able to display it on all of their characters) but it also makes it possible for the people who like to play alot of different characters to get this title...

Any feedback on any points I may have missed would be helpful.

/notsigned the title is so common i dont think its needed

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10197837

I think this might be what you are looking for ^^

though this is a good idea, why would you be worried about getting a title that is made for "the committed player" if you like to jump around on chars?

imo all titles should be account based. even in pve, if i know you have a monk that has "people know me" and along that have "legendary guardian", and you wanted to play a new char as a ele, id rather have you on my team then someone who dosnt have any titles. because even though its a diff char, your still knowledgable in the area of the mission and can operate as needed.

/signed

Its the same player behind all the chars.

Different play styles get you different "bonuses"

More chars means more choice of proffesions so more builds to farm with so more money and can always swap char if you need cirtain farms
Less chars you get more titles - not seen as a bonus by everyone

Personally i like getting titles so i played 1,200 of my 1,600 on one character. I know people that like to bob back and forth through characters and have R2 KoaBD on all of them

its not really hard to get, I've seen another god Walking Amongst Mere Mortal, first one is sometime ago, and second one was a week ago, some one was shouting and pinging their names in AB waiting area.

I am sure pretty soon godS (no offence to religions people who think theres only one God, these are the game type of god, hence lower case.) will be walking everywhere....

God walking amongst mere mortals is pretty common now

I see less Kind of a Big Deal's walking round than i do People Know Me's so people seem to be managing fine

Someone define "common" to me.

I think that just because you've seen them once or twice in all the more popular districts and towns, you can't call them "common". I still view the general populous as somewhere between ranks 2 and 4, if even that high.

This would surely stop the hellfest of a thread here and probably give it a better solution.

/agree

Edit: After reviewing a few more posts, I'm removing my support of this issue, because I realize that the globalization of titles need only apply to a few.

/notsigned

No need to water down another title track.

It wouldnt be watered down. The player has to achieve exactly the same ammount of titles.

No less work is required. Just people who enjoy playing multiple chars would now be able to go for it as well.

Then focus on one character if you really want KOABD. But you do realise that KOABD means nothing anymore because its so stupidly easy to achieve now.

Get protector on all campaigns = 3 maxed titles = extremely easy.
Get skill hunter on all campaigns = 4 maxed titles (including LSH) = even easier!

Result 7 titles and atleast one rank in KOABD! It really couldnt be easier to get atleast the first rank in KOABD on one pve character and to say otherwise its a bit worrying.

Obviously higher ranks are a different story, but 100% exploration on all 3 campaigns isnt hard with the new mods which exist and thats another 4 titles in your pocket.

Thats then 11 maxed and rank 2! All of that should not take you more then a month or two of playing an hour or two a night. There is not hardcore gaming required at all or endless hours of play.

This doesnt include SS and LB titles which are also very easy to max out! Thats add another 2 max titles.

Why do you want KOABD on all your characters anyway? KOABD is meant as a display of accomplishment for one individual character and the dedication you put into developing them through role play through the game. As another poster stated... why do you want to make a title meant to show character dedication show on all your characters?

Try to understand the difference between a pvp character and pve characters. A pve character is an individual and their accomplishments are unique to them and only them. They are the character who has spent months or years role playing through campaigns and lands and quests and missions to achieve these things.

Where as a pvp character takes 10 minutes to create and can be deleted and created again within minutes! PVE accomplishment like KOABD titles are unique and have to reflect what that "individual" character has done!

/not signed at any changes.

Plus what if your elemental has protector of cantha and your warrior has protector elona and your monk has protector of tyria. But none of the others.

By your logic that would make up 3 maxed titles right! What if you then deleted the monk and it removed one of those maxed titles! Does the game keep the count of 3 or drop it to 2?

Your system would require people to keep all characters they own for any titles they own to count towards the KOABD. You would have a title which is dependant upon all your characters and not just one. That makes it very risky.

so you didn't agree on the idea, just because titles are worthless to you?

/signed, will stop all the ideas of survivor title reset as well

Why people want everything to be easier and easier and easier untill there is really no challenge in playin a game.

If getting KOABD is to hard for you just DON'T do it. Simple as that.

Totally agree. Titles tell about character experience.
/signed

How is it easier?

If I get protector of Tyria on my ranger and protector of Cantha on my warrior. Have I achieved less than doing both on one char?

A lot of people dont want to be tied down to 1 char but also want to try for KOABD. Under the current system you cant.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Agreed, and for that reason /signed.

However I think (s)he means that it will make it easyer to have KoaBD on multiple chars.

Course you can, until it comes out the other end.

It's SO easy to get KOABD and it's nearly TOO common to see r3+++ of it. The whole idea in having fun in this game is to have something hard to do for the love of god, stop making this game easier than it is.

Lucky/Unlucky? Wisdom? Treasure Hunter? Drunkard? Sweet Tooth? There's only so much experience one can gain from the achievement of doing a small simple task over and over and over again. Even Protector/Guardian titles only mean so much when you can buy your way through most missions with a runner.

Not true. I've got KOABD on the mesmer already and my ranger's well on its way. In fact, I actually enjoy going back and earning it over again on a new character after one has pretty much run out of things to do. The protector titles in particular take maybe a week of casual play at most, and beyond that you can take your pick from skill hunter, cartographer, SS or LB, none of which really take that much investment.

in the end it would be theoretically best to make all titles account based..because then has the player again finally back his freedom to play with any character to play..with that you want to play..but then ending not up being in an disatvantage over someone..who plays only with 1 character and can use alot more time with it to collect titles...


I can only agree in the point. that however the notsigners turn the facts around..its in the end ever the PLAYER of the account..who has reached the goal and there its totally regardless. with which character of your account u've made something....because the player made all the effort for his ACCOUNT...not for only the single character... and thats the reason why the Hall of Monument Concept will be ever big nonsense, as long it stays character based..because it simply makes absolutely no sense to fill the HoM with each signle character..when the stuff you unlock through the HoM for GW2 will be account based....because anything else isn't possible and would mean only alot more of data..that would need to be transfered from Account to Accounter of the 2 Games later....data..which can be reduced to 1 sum per Account ...which doesn't need to be split by every single character.


One way of perfect solution I could imagine to solve finally this big issue would be...to handle titles like Skill.... you know what I mean ß

You make one title with one Character....and then the player has the choice... make it with other characters too..ur buy a

TITLE TOME....btw. ELITE TITLE TOME.... and the same as PvP Version

When you use then a normal Title Tome..you can increase any title of your choice by 1 Rank...when you use an Elite Title Tome..than gets the chosen Title instantly maxed on the Character..who uses the tome....

et voila the game would receive the imo 2 most best gold sinks..the game could ever receive ....

and let these drop then for example ultra rarely out of Zaishen Chests...or out of any chests of the Elite Areas..like Gate of Anguish, Urgoz..the Deep ect.


However... gameplay is broken...since titles exist and that needs to be changed....playing with more than 1 Character..other then for the account based titles became to a waste of time and that shouldn't be so ...

so the solution of this means automatically... make titles somehow easy enough...that it makes again fun and sense..to play with more than 1 Character simultanously and that those players end then not up being in the end in disavantage versus players..which play only with their main character ...

this broken issus is THE reason...why many people lost the interest on GW and went over to other games like WoW or back to older games like LA2 or even RO

When did I say titles were worthless to me? Please show me the quote! I'm rank VIP in the KOABD title because I have LG, LC, LSH along with a few others I think.

I like getting titles. I'm rank 8 or 9 in most GWEN title and I'm currently working on my faction titles. I never said I didnt think titles were worth it.

My point was that pve titles show what you have achieved on an individual titles and KOABD is the pin-ultimate pve titles for showing individual character development.

How exactly did you come to that conclusion? I saw most people not signing your idea, so I dunno where you got that from!

Yes its the player who plays the character, but fgs get this into your head! If you choose to play a pve character you have to accept that any achievements you make on that character are individual to them. You cant give all your characters KOABD just because one has 2 maxed titles and another has 3 maxed titles and you want to mix them.

Its called "role play" for a reason!!!!! If you dont like to role play and achieve unique things for characters then dont do pve!

Yes making all titles account based would make life alot easier and stop people complaining. But how do you then show the unique accomplishments of one individual pve characters and it also make other titles confusing and nonse-sensical!

How does it make sense if you achieve "legendary gaurdian" or "protctor of...." on your elemental, but your warrior can display it even though they havent even done a single mission in that campaign?

How does it make sense to show "legendary skill hunter" on a lvl1 character who has no elite skills?

How does it make sense to show "legendary cartographer" on a lvl1 character who can only move around tyria and hasnt even left pre-searing yet?

How does it make sense to show the lightbringer or sunspear character on a tyrian level 1 character who has never set foot in elona?

Do you get the idea? Get the hint? You cannot show a maxed titles on a character who hasnt done anything to earn it. The same goes KOABD! How does it make sense to have a lvl1 with KOABD made up of titles like LSH and LG and LC which they didnt earn?

If they get KOABD using existing account based titles, then fine. But you cant allow a character who hasnt even set foot outside of the starting area to show the titles I mentioned above when they had nothing to do with them, just to make your lvl1 have KOABD.

I guess that means you don't care about it

KOABD in itself doesnt, because those are ten a penny now. But the titles which make them up like LG, LC, LSH and alike are impressive IMO, and shouldnt devalued by being made account based or "added" to another characters count, just to give someone KOABD. But KOABD does still show a certain something about that individual character and how titles they have maxed.

The whole character/account is dumb when it comes to anywthing but fighting.
And the most important 'fight' titles, the PvP titles, are account based.

Yo here you are, you can't show your real skill as Warrior or Monk separately, because the titles that really show skill are already account based, so who cares if any other title become account based?

So you would rather pvp titles were character based? yet you want pve titles account based?

Surely we should be able to show individual accomplishments for individual pve characters, just as you argue you should for pvp characters?

No one is saying you cant take another char through and do it. If you enjoy that then go ahead. But if a player has already achieved a title, it shouldnt matter which char they are on. Titles are there for the players.

Isileth will you please try to appreciate what a pve character is.

A pve character is a role played character which you develop as a player, over a long period of time and that individual develop has to be reprosented individually. Its all well and good for pvp characters which take 10 minutes to create and can be deleted and re-made in minutes.

A question i asked earlier!

Would it make sense if you earnt legendary guardian on your elementalist and was able to display it on your lvl1 warrior who hasnt even set foot in elona or cantha?

Ofcourse that makes no sense, because how can you have legendary guardian on a warrior who isnt even able to access hard mode and hasnt even been to the two other continents needed. The same applies for KOABD which that "character" hasnt earnt. The player may have played the character, but its the characters accomplishments that matter in pve... not the players.

Its call "role play" for a reason, because your no longer playing yourself and your taking on the role of someone/something else and what they do matters. Your no longer yourself and what you do as a real person doesnt matter. Its the actions of your character which count in pve because your playing a storyline and interacting with an unreal world.

In pvp its different; In pvp the playes accomplishments count because your fighting other real people and not tackling a storyline or the computer AI!

When you play against other real people then the titles are yours! When you play against the story and the game itselfs, the titles are those of your character!

Yes, you can pretty much buy those titles. But would some noob have millions for titles? No.

Survivor and LDoA are closed to old school characters, and are mutually exclusive. This would pretty much give +1 (and in many cases +2) titles to anyone going down this track.

Plus, what of the players who have rightfully achieved multiple ranks in KoaBD on multiple chars? You've effectively flushed that effort, because they could have just done it all on one char and gotten the same title out of it in the end.

Also, it would take away the inordinate achievement of those who earn these titles on unwanted professions - mesmer, ritualist, assassin, etc. For these types of players, getting ranks in this title means a lot. See a chest hunter title on a war? Meh. See that title on a mesmer? I do a double-take.

Considering the farmability and cheapening of many titles on different characters, I stopped being amazed at everything except Rank 4+ KoaBD or high PvP titles. Assassins with Legendary Survivor are a joke to me now.

its grand as it currently is, KoaBD Title track is a collection of accomplishments on one char,not account,

i.e. if i made an elonian char i'd get .4% to title form the bonus area at start which a non-elonian char wouldn't have, same for factions (but the festival weekend allows chars to get there), so that would give the player that made 3 differant chars the advantage howevers small, .4% is massive:'(.

also LSH however long it is it means that your char has all elites unlocked on that char so having 3 chars do each continant seems odd.

thats just imo, i think the system as a whoel is grand at present.

a Massive Multiplayer Online /SIGNED

I would wholeheartedly LOVE it if they did it this way!

This title track should count Unique Maxed Titles on the Account. It's my old idea I keep posting everywhere for at least a year.

Make it fair for everyone, no matter when started playing GW, no matter if prefers to play just one or several characters.

This change wouldn't make this title easier - all the achievements have to be done anyway! It just gives more options and makes the system FAIR for everyone!

This is my favorite solution to the Legendary Surviror problem - while giving a chance for characters created before Factions would be nice aswell, this makes more sense - only a real Survivor can show the title but old dedicated players don't get disadvantaged.

It would give a reason for me to create a Presearing char and go for Legendary Defender of Ascalon, I always wanted to do it, but now this title is useless when it's not on the main title collecting character so I just felt it's not worth the massive effort. This would make it a viable title to go for as one of the 30 needed to be maxed and a great alternative to grinding another extreme title like max Kurzick/Luxon.

High ranks of this title would still require a lot of dedication to one character - to get the Legendary Vanquisher, Legendary Guardian, Legendary Cartographer etc. titles which should remain character based, and which count as +1 extra title for KaoBD track.

How is the chest hunter title farmable? Specifically on a mesmer?

For an example.. They can run

Anyway, being a good runner helps you in many ways in PvE. Some ppl aggro mobs when they are supposed to run past them.. I'd prefer to have someone who is experienced in running in my party.


There are RL-rich noobs that buy gold..


Just because you're good at playing one character doesn't mean that you're good at playing another. If they made KoaBD account-based you wouldn't know whether the guy with "God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals" was a 24/7-farmer who bought all of his guardian/protector/vanquisher titles on another character and really suck at playing the current character OR a good player.

/absolutelynotsigned