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Thinking about you, big boy
Chicken Ftw
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
This thread could get nasty. Kids, cover your eyes.
If by nasty you mean delicious, then yes. Yes it could.
... I think I've had a little much to drink. <_<
... I think I've had a little much to drink. <_<
Stormlord Alex
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Actually it comes down to the fact AoB sucks, and that those using it have a shit playstyle.|
Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets
Thinking about you, big boy
... whoever said I was a boy?
Tab
Wow. That's hot. I'd sure like to see you in a skirt like that Alex
Stormlord Alex
oohh, and I'd love to show you...
~ Dan ~
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... whoever said I was a boy?
I think he was talking to me 
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
I think he was talking to me
You can join in too, babe
Tab
You wanna come Temple of Balth ID1 on a derv? We can get off to AoB /dancing or something
Tab
Storm is a boy because sodomy > AoB debates. End of discussion.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets
Storm is a boy because sodomy > AoB debates. End of discussion.
Only just
Chicken Ftw
Bawww. No reverse traps? QQ
Tab
Anyway, let's get back on topic. What do you think about taking a Wild Blow on AoB?
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets
Anyway, let's get back on topic. What do you think about taking a Wild Blow on AoB?
Why would you want an attack skill on an AoB bar for? Ludicrous!
Tab
To remove stances and put me in an advantageous position.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Why would you want an attack skill on an AoB bar for? Ludicrous!
Ahem.
Think of other meanings of the word 'Blow' Yes, this thread is going good places. ~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets
To remove stances and put me in an advantageous position.
I thought AoB dancing still worked if they were in a stance?
Tab
At times, a change of stance is needed for an end result.
Chicken Ftw
Dan is entirely too innocent for this thread. ;[
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At times, a change of stance is needed for an end result.
End results like a well-placed Final Thrust?
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Tab
It depends. If you're aiming for a game-changing Final Thrust, then you don't want to take them out of their Frenzy, as it dampens the enjoyment of the kill.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets
It depends. If you're aiming for a game-changing Final Thrust, then you don't want to take them out of their Frenzy, as it dampens the enjoyment of the kill.
for the love of god, use Mark of Protection!
Tab
Someone may use Rip Enchantment on it.
~ Dan ~
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End results like a well-placed Final Thrust?
Sorry, yea.. the "back on topic" line threw me right off. I see ibreak is very good at this.
Div
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Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets
It seems that the Dervish forum is locked in a perpetual cycle:
1. Avatar of Balthazar is not bad thread 2. Why Avatar of balthazar is bad thread 3. Troll thread 4. Bad thread 5. Troll thread 6. Back to step 1 Pretty sure I make the #1 thread. And I love that little lovebirds discussion you two had going there Good thing Moko told me about it or else I'd miss out.
LightningHell
I really should close this thread.
horseradish
Motel 6 is that way.
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Sirius-NZ
Heh, maybe you should.
The whole "my AoB will pwnzor you" line of reasoning seems to indicate the poster hasn't seen what a good Lyssa or Melandru build will do, or how much better Dwayna handles survivability. I do see people use them in alliance battles, because of the speed boost... but it is amusing to see claims of it being the best there is for that. News flash: AoB cannot be kept up permanently in PvP. Pious Haste can. And it's cheap.
horseradish
It seems that people who like AoB like it because it compresses the necessity of 3 skills into 1 (which is very convenient and well worth the elite slot might I add), while the people who DESPISE AoB dislike it because the other Avatars do things that non-elite dervish skills can't do (which is also very much worth the elite slot for a flexible and versatile profession). Both are viable arguments.
Two of the Avatars are situational (Dwayna, and Grenth). Dwayna for hexes, Grenth for enchant removal, so they aren't that useful unless you know what area or opponent you are fighting against. The other two (Lyssa and Balthazar) are all around buffers. Balthazar basically makes a juggernaut. Lyssa deals damage out the whazoo and adds energy. They are more convenient and better equipped for all around general play. Still, Melandru is my favorite, and, imho, the best. Melandru, first because +health in PvE = win, and condition immunity is a huge load off my back. Although not every area in PvE has conditions, it's very common in PvP. I think it's well worth the 25 energy. All you need is the ability to effectively manage your energy. I also find Lyssa intriguing and frickin' beautiful (in a platonic way), but that seems to be just me. ._.
Whirlwind
It This whole argument comes down to it all depends on play style. You can't argue that. Don't even try !
Guildmaster Cain
This question has the same answer as:
-Best Weapon -Best profession -Best team setup -Best farm build -Best consumable Depends on situation/foes ~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by horseradish
It seems that people who like AoB like it because it compresses the necessity of 3 skills into 1
Since when has +40 AL been a necessity?
Since when has a speed boost been a necessity? Since when has holy damage been a necessity? Not to mention that a whole lot of non-elite skills can do those things.
Tab
Let me sum up this argument in a few words:
If I was presented with the choice of running AoB or having my scrotum eaten by a pack of wild dogs, I'd have my pants off in a jiffy.
moko
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This question has the same answer as:
-Best Weapon -Best profession -Best team setup -Best farm build -Best consumable Depends on situation/foes no, all wrong. tell me a situation where i'd want AoB. i'm waiting. and if you say undeads, bring heart of holy flame + good avatar. pwn damage much? ~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Mokone
and if you say undeads, bring heart of holy flame + good avatar. pwn damage much?
Aura of Holy Might does holy damage according to a bug on wiki. That skill is pretty sex on any bar regardless of there being undead.
Coloneh
AoB sucks because other skills do it better. its not that your using 3 skills instead of 1. these should already be on your bar.
holy damage: Aura of Holy Might. this should be on your skillbar at all times during PvE. Extra Armor: ANY survival skill. and i might add that most survival skills do it better, good builds(for those who cant kite) carry some defense. speed boost: Pious haste. this might not always be on your bar, but you dont always need a speed boost. If you need one, this is +33% that can be kept up forever.
Div
The only time when +armor and speed boost is useful is in AB, where you run around 99% of the time anyways with warriors c-space on you. Even then I'd take AoL.
Sirugel Kai
Ide say its between Lyssa and Melandru
If you know your going to be facing a lot of conditions and really heavy damage then you should take melandru If your not.. then i would say just get a pretty good lyssa build and go rip through everything you see =X
horseradish
By necessity I mean the non-elite skills Coloneh mentions that we should already have. It gives more space for other skills. However, I am not arguing in favor of AoB; I am just saying what it does.
Sirius-NZ
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Aura of Holy Might does holy damage according to a bug on wiki. That skill is pretty sex on any bar regardless of there being undead.
It does. I've used it against undead and it definitely doubles damage.
While AoB is a 3-in-1, the problem is it's the wrong three buffs. +40 armor is good, but not a show-stopper; holy damage is sometimes useful, sometimes meh, but it does at least reduce opponents to their base armor; and speed just isn't useful in most situations. Contrasting with Melandru, even in AB: - AoB has a handy speed boost, but you only need that when it's useful - attacking a shrine doesn't qualify - thus it doesn't really need to be part of the skill - AoM has Earth, against which few things have extra armor, AoB has Holy, against which basically nothing has extra armor (Necros can even take more damage); in other words AoB is better against Earthbound rangers and Tormented (I think?) necroes - neither of which are necessarily common - AoB has +40 armor, AoM has +100 HP; in melee, AoB wins; against armor-ignoring attacks and hexes, AoM wins. - AoM has condition immunity. Which is obviously better than a speed boost, with all the crippling/blinding going about. So in two attributes AoB is marginally to very marginally better; in the other it's far worse. While a Melandru build can make up for all the weaknesses over Balthazar, vice-versa is not true; there is no condition immunity skill in the game apart from Avatar of Melandru. Hence why it's not really very good a skill. If it had a permanent attack speed boost, I'd change my mind immediately since the only thing I've found that compares is Frenzy, and it has an obvious downside. Right now, though, it's a collection of three too-unrelated and too-replaceable skills. Oh, and I used to use AoB quite a bit for PvE, for the record. But once I found out how weak it was compared to Lyssa, I never turned back...
Bowstring Badass
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Oh, and I used to use AoB quite a bit for PvE, for the record. But once I found out how weak it was compared to Lyssa, I never turned back...
Why would you ever use it.
on topic- It is a matter of preference but AoB is crap compared to the others as the others are actually useful.
Sirius-NZ
Two reasons:
1. I didn't know better  2. I had issues with my Dervish dying a lot, so expected AoB would address that. It did, especially in tandem with Stoneflesh Aura, but it didn't do wonders for DPS. |
