You make a compelling argument, I cannot refute your detailed and intelligent points.
This forum lacks a /rolleyes smiley.
It's time for ANet to balance the snowball fights
Vargs
CyberNigma
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I really think this year ANet should've added a Festivus Pole to the game lol.. That would be neat. A staff of the holidays...
Big_Daddy
Yes, don't be a Grentch *snicker* and enjoy the game!! 
Relaaaaxxxx
He Who Is The One
lol, no one said anything that Yellow Snow not only takes away a condtion.. it gives disease to the target.... run by the target and guess what... now you BOTH have disease! Woo!
I wouldnt mind seeing Yellow Snow go down to 1 cast time.. but i just had a 10 win run and i was Dwayna maybe 3 out of the 10. And most of our games were 5-1
I wouldnt mind seeing Yellow Snow go down to 1 cast time.. but i just had a 10 win run and i was Dwayna maybe 3 out of the 10. And most of our games were 5-1
mastermaxx1
Yellow Snow removes a condition making it the only way to remove conditions in the Snowball fights. Hidden rock is for one snowball. Just throw a snowball before using yellow snow and you won't have a problem. Plus, it's random! Sometimes you'll be on Grenth, sometimes you'll be on Dwayna! I think it's fair already. It doesn't matter if you're on Dwayna or Grenth if your team can't work together. That's really what it comes down to.
aaje vhanli
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Actually it would be more fun if people didn't freaking quit soon as the other team got 1 point. I've lost most of my matches cause of quitters, not becuase of "imbalance"
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LifesRestorer
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Ok, I was fighting an evenly matched team. We were Grenth. We won 5-3. Yellow snow and Avalanche? Use them properly.
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Life is not fair, get use to it.
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gosh i hate this riverside crowd. all this man wants is a small, simple balance that could hugely increase the fun of snowball fights and everyone jumps in going OMG ITS NOT SERIOUS STFU HAVE FUN!
moko
Avalanche = Target's head is being smashed against a wall. Target stops being retarded.
Yellow Snow = Target ally recovers from brain cancer and starts enjoying the game.
PS. it's meant to be fun, so ..HAVE FUN?
Yellow Snow = Target ally recovers from brain cancer and starts enjoying the game.
PS. it's meant to be fun, so ..HAVE FUN?
Darkobra
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Welcome to PvP. just because something is beatable doesn't mean it is balanced. kthnxbaii
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Welcome to the triple digits of IQ. You may be feeling some discomfort for the first few days, but eventually, your spelling will become better.
bhavv
Just make avalanche affect a single target, change yellow snow to 1s cast and change the disease to poisen. I dont see why anyone thinks theres nothing wrong with avalanche.
I had 20+ consecs this morning, but avalanche is still vastly overpowered compared to yellow snow. This isnt whining or QQ'ing, its simply realising that one side has a bigger advantage.
I had 20+ consecs this morning, but avalanche is still vastly overpowered compared to yellow snow. This isnt whining or QQ'ing, its simply realising that one side has a bigger advantage.
aaje vhanli
I agree that Avalanche is superior to Yellow Snow, but who cares? Honestly, that makes winning with a team on Grenth's side more exciting. I doubt it's ever going to be changed so live with it and remember your "skillz."
bungusmaximus
cat pics, anyone? This thread should be buried so deep that they should be able to easily dig it up on the other side of the globe. NERF SUGAR RUSH its imba naabs lololol.
Shayne Hawke
Instead of balancing Avalanche and Yellow Snow, they need to figure out how to make Sins, Paras, and Rangers useful in the arena. I rarely find an occasion where their profession skill would be useful, if at all. Less so the Dervish and Mesmer, but they could use some changing too.
Rit owns, by the way. Play Rit = Win.
Rit owns, by the way. Play Rit = Win.
Be Vigilant
Yes, the class skills are imbalanced too. Sins, Paras, and Dervish are pretty useless... Ranger is questionable. But I didn't want to sound picky.
I'm really surprised to see the amount of hate I got for saying that Yellow Snow needs to be balanced with Avalanche. I even provided suggestions as how to buff Yellow Snow to fix it. I like the snowball fights. I'd like them even more if I wasn't given a handicap randomly every game. I don't want to "nerf Christmas" or think that "snowball fights are overpowered" or whatever other nonsense people are saying. And I don't understand the logic of saying that it's only a game and thus doesn't need to be balanced.
I still hope that ANet will take the time to give Yellow Snow a simple buff so that the snowball fights are more enjoyable for the remaining duration of the Wintersday festival.
I'm really surprised to see the amount of hate I got for saying that Yellow Snow needs to be balanced with Avalanche. I even provided suggestions as how to buff Yellow Snow to fix it. I like the snowball fights. I'd like them even more if I wasn't given a handicap randomly every game. I don't want to "nerf Christmas" or think that "snowball fights are overpowered" or whatever other nonsense people are saying. And I don't understand the logic of saying that it's only a game and thus doesn't need to be balanced.
I still hope that ANet will take the time to give Yellow Snow a simple buff so that the snowball fights are more enjoyable for the remaining duration of the Wintersday festival.
IlikeGW
I think the only solution to this problem is to sell Play On Dwayna's Side Packs in the online store.
Zeek Aran
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What did he spell wrong?
TheGuildWarsPenguin
If you think (insert profession here)'s special skill is bad, then just don't play that profession in snowball arena.
Spike
I don't see what all the fuss is about its only pvp. its not like thats important now is it 
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I don't see what all the fuss is about its only pvp. its not like thats important now is it
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*Personally, my opinion is this.
Wintersday, and the fun festivals are meant to be, yes, fun, but that does not mean that they are perfect. Everything has the potential to be made better, and this includes Wintersday and all implied.
When it comes to Grenth Versus Dwayna, Dwayna definetly has the upper hand with crippling. Snaring is key in winning, if you know what you're doing. Yellow snow is another glyph that will cancel out yet another important skill, and won't help you much with it's two second cast time and then 1 second snowball cast time while you're being attacked by the Dwayna team member that used Avalanche on you in the first place. I think it could use another look.
To me, it's a tad annoying, as I'm grinding my gamer title in the arenas, and when I get on Grenth, I know my chance of losing just went up 50%.
Sha Noran
Yeah, come on now ANet, the holiday events should be about skill not build, just like the rest of PvP. The "Gamer" title is important, and if this critical aspect of the game isn't evaluated and balanced immediately, I fear some players might be disappointed!
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Yeah, come on now ANet, the holiday events should be about skill not build, just like the rest of PvP. The "Gamer" title is important, and if this critical aspect of the game isn't evaluated and balanced immediately, I fear some players might be disappointed!
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QQ about people actually taking things in a serious aspect. There are far less important things that are under "Orders" in the Suggestions section from players to Arenanet to fix. This isn't a big request. It isn't a big deal. It would be nice, but no one said this was "Critical." The importance of titles is opinion, and purely that, "Gamer" included. If you don't feel that it's worth having a look at, then you can leave it.
wetsparks
You can't see me
You are taking this thread way to seriously
You are taking this thread way to seriously
Tender Wolf
I do see your point here, but I played 5 times in a row last night, each time on Dwayna's team, and we still got our butts handed to us. But I do see your point. And about the Avalanche, it doesn't help that if you're holding a present you move slower than a turtle and snail combined, unless you're a warrior with Let's Get Em!.
LifesRestorer
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You're welcoming me to something I'm experienced in? Ok, I KNOW I'm going to regret asking you something which involves common sense, but how do you remove a condition? And how many condition removers does the Dwayna side have?
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also read what i said again. just because it is beatable doesn't mean it is balanced. 1s cast time on yellow snow, or a change to make it not remove the hidden rock would fix all of this.
murtagh deadmoon
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I do see your point here, but I played 5 times in a row last night
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And there is the problem -.- Seriously i played up to 100+ times "last night" and i think that those of us who are seriously playing the arena should be the ones posting, not people who have flitted into them for 1-10 games and then left, you cannot judge the greater picture after such a short term in the arena.
Anyway i agree wholeheartedly with a simple buff to Yellow Snow, either 1s cast or don't make it remove Hidden Stone.
perfect
Over 10K Gamer Points here. Grenth needs a buff, everyone who seriously plays snowball knows it. Anet knows it too.
I MP I
LOL Why balance snow ball fights???? Its like RA with a mandatory, yet better set of skills on everyones bar.
Darkobra
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wow, did you even read the OP? i think your triple digits of IQ has FAILED you.
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I don't believe in overpowered anything. Just people wanting an excuse for losing. Conditions can be removed so why is cripple an issue? Tell you what. Let's nerf the duration of Holiday Blues next. The Ice Fort wammos who stand in it thinking they're immortal will get killed by it.
LifesRestorer
yeah gg i have done that too, doesn't mean it is balanced. please, just go and read the OP. go on, just read it.
here look i'll even make it easy for you.
look i quoted it to make it easier for you. the effects of avalanche completely outweigh the effects of yellow snow. read the bit in bold, thats the most important for me.
here look i'll even make it easy for you.
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Let's break it down even though I can't imagine anyone that's ever played snowball fights will disagree with this.
Avalanche: - AoE cripple in a game all about running - 1 second cast time - skill not glyph, this is very important because this means it doesn't overwrite the all-important hidden rock Yellow Snow: - disease is easily spread back to your own team, and running is usually much more important than fighting - 2 second cast time, faster recharge but it's a... - glyph, because this ability overwrites hidden rock it's basically never worth using So someone on Dwayna can spend 1 second to AoE cripple their target, and then someone on Grenth can spend 2 seconds to remove it and lose their hidden rock. |
Darkobra
Read this: Use them properly. People have been whining for three years about this and it hasn't been nerfed, while other classes have been nerfed into the ground. What does that tell you? And thanks for the GG. It means a lot to me coming from someone who has yet to understand the meaning of "overpowered".
ensoriki
Give Yellow snow, one second cast.
Problem solved.
Other option.
Make Yellow snow a skill
Problem solved,
I don't think the means of changing something to one second cast takes A-net long.
Max it might take them 5 minutes =P
Problem solved.
Other option.
Make Yellow snow a skill
Problem solved,
I don't think the means of changing something to one second cast takes A-net long.
Max it might take them 5 minutes =P
Servant of Kali
Sigh at people who say fun is important but balance isn't.
Balance makes fun.
Imabalanced fun is a contradiction of terms.
ps: Yellow Snow is so disgusting (compared to uber Avalanche) that my e-peen goes flaccid as soon as I see it on my skillbar.
pps: The reason Yellow Snow isn't balanced is because ANet wants to give a boost to..less experienced players. So, when they have Avalanche and the other side Yellow Snow, it means you won't lose all the time if you're a bad player. Yeey...not.
Hey you know what, you take Visions of Regret (elite skill) and I'll take Empathy (non-elite skill). Then show me the proper use of that elite skill, over empathy. Hey, RA will do.
That's because you're not good enough a player to notice the difference. That's why noob sword warriors use Mending and experienced sword warriors use Conjure.
Balance makes fun.
Imabalanced fun is a contradiction of terms.
ps: Yellow Snow is so disgusting (compared to uber Avalanche) that my e-peen goes flaccid as soon as I see it on my skillbar.
pps: The reason Yellow Snow isn't balanced is because ANet wants to give a boost to..less experienced players. So, when they have Avalanche and the other side Yellow Snow, it means you won't lose all the time if you're a bad player. Yeey...not.
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ensoriki
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owned.
Fanco
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LifesRestorer
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It means a lot to me coming from someone who has yet to understand the meaning of "overpowered".
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i think servant of kali summed up why your argument fails.
IlikeGW
I can't see there being any actual debate about the imbalance... anyone who's played 10+ games, and especially people who've played 50-1000 notices clear as day one whole side having an extra RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing CRIPPLE skill in a running capture game is pretty silly. Anyone arguing there's no balance problem is beyond a shadow of a doubt mentally handicapped.
But the thing is, do you really expect them to fix it a festival game or give a crap? Obviously they haven't this long, so they're not going to fix anything.
But the thing is, do you really expect them to fix it a festival game or give a crap? Obviously they haven't this long, so they're not going to fix anything.
ensoriki
See Heres the thing.
Snow you piss on.
Does not beat a freaking avalanche.
You know what, lets try that.
Piss on some snow...
Now go fight an avalanche with your yellow snow.
You know whats going to happen?
your going to get
Thus
yellow snow needs a buff.
One second cast time, or turn it into a skill.
If its a skill it stacks with Hidden rock, which is cool.
Snow you piss on.
Does not beat a freaking avalanche.
You know what, lets try that.
Piss on some snow...
Now go fight an avalanche with your yellow snow.
You know whats going to happen?
your going to get
Thus
yellow snow needs a buff.
One second cast time, or turn it into a skill.
If its a skill it stacks with Hidden rock, which is cool.
Martin Alvito
Snowball arena is generally balanced. The imbalance of class skills isn't much of a problem since you yourself can simply select a good class. The only problem is the imbalance of Avalanche and Yellow Snow.
It is true that taking two evenly matched teams and switching the sides around would probably turn a 5-3 Dwayna win into a 3-5 Grenth defeat.
However, this is an arena where pairings are random. In the VAST majority of matches, one of the two things is true:
1) You are on a bad team.
2) The teams' skill levels are sufficiently distinct that who is Dwayna does not impact the outcome.
In the vast majority of cases, one of the two above points is true and the imbalance of Dwayna and Grenth is meaningless. The only time it really matters is when two good teams face one another. That doesn't happen all that often.
Having the arena be slightly imbalanced thus functions like the promotion mechanism from Randoms; it's designed to keep you from going on epic win streaks and playing for hours on end.
This is a design decision. It is consistent with many other design decisions the ANet team makes, such as the hour counter and auto-kick feature, in the face of people dying during marathon WoW sessions. You should not be surprised by it.
It is true that taking two evenly matched teams and switching the sides around would probably turn a 5-3 Dwayna win into a 3-5 Grenth defeat.
However, this is an arena where pairings are random. In the VAST majority of matches, one of the two things is true:
1) You are on a bad team.
2) The teams' skill levels are sufficiently distinct that who is Dwayna does not impact the outcome.
In the vast majority of cases, one of the two above points is true and the imbalance of Dwayna and Grenth is meaningless. The only time it really matters is when two good teams face one another. That doesn't happen all that often.
Having the arena be slightly imbalanced thus functions like the promotion mechanism from Randoms; it's designed to keep you from going on epic win streaks and playing for hours on end.
This is a design decision. It is consistent with many other design decisions the ANet team makes, such as the hour counter and auto-kick feature, in the face of people dying during marathon WoW sessions. You should not be surprised by it.
ensoriki
Thats genius.
Lets make teams unfair so that a good team cannot win all the time!
It's not meaningless.
1 good player can make up the difference in skill by enough for it to matter.
Lets make teams unfair so that a good team cannot win all the time!
It's not meaningless.
1 good player can make up the difference in skill by enough for it to matter.
Spike
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ps: Yellow Snow is so disgusting (compared to uber Avalanche) that my e-peen goes flaccid as soon as I see it on my skillbar.
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That's because you're not good enough a player to notice the difference. That's why noob sword warriors use Mending and experienced sword warriors use Conjure.
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PS can we please have sarcasm tags here as NO one here gets it. No none of THIS post was supposed to be sarcastic but my last one WAS