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Oh I thought you used executioners. No, without any skills, warrior dps is about 20. Which is more than a caster not using skills. Never would've guessed that. And using only 3 skills - one of them really quite bad - my dps was higher than your entire build.
... oki?

And using only 3 skills - one of them really quite bad - my dps was higher than your entire build.
... oki? 3 skills compared to 5? Again, the damage is easily countered by say, a moving target, or say, getting hit with frenzy on. I know it's hard for you to understand that other classes can apply sustained pressure, but well, facts are there.

3 skills compared to 5? Again, the damage is easily countered by say, a moving target, or say, getting hit with frenzy on. I know it's hard for you to understand that other classes can apply sustained pressure, but well, facts are there. The fact is, though, caster pressure is laughable. It's easily countered, too.

The fact is, though, caster pressure is laughable. It's easily countered, too. Yet it's higher than warrior pressure on this build, and less easily countered than warrior pressure, and does in fact come with minor utility unlike a warrior who takes about 6 skill slots from his team plus his own 8 just to be able to apply that pressure. Warriors are good pressure, so is this. If you weren't so blinkered you might actually try to assess what it is capable of, rather than 'oh shatterstone, bad spike, let's flame'.

However you are trying to argue that because it takes effort for someone to nullify your damage, that is somehow better and more threatening than damage that is more difficult to nullify. Okay.

Let's see - Your build has a literal 8 second recharge on it. I'm being generous here, as this is counting spamming on recharge, which is probably something that's not very achievable - finding opportune targets is difficult, especially for your build which does not kill a person from at least 85%, and that if you're spamming on recharge you're incredibly predictable. It does 364 damage per 8 seconds, which is 45.5 DPS. As a spike, it's not very threatening, due to it not being able to kill a character alone, and that a 3 second spike is way too easy to prot against. Hence, opponents in organized teams are going to ignore it. It has basically no threat. Besides, it's not like a Diversion or DShot won't throw your whole thing off, and your character is very inflexible, but let's put that aside for now.

The Warrior, however, is a constant threat. As long as he's there, they need to shut him down, or they're going to get pummelled. So he might deal, say 20 DPS, but the opponent is expending resources and time to prevent the Warrior from achieving his natural 40 DPS. The Warrior also has a spike outside of his main DPS engine, which requires more protting and defending against. A Warrior can also bring disruption and other miscellaneous utility.

That 40 DPS is not counting skills.

Yet it's higher than warrior pressure on this build Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't 49 a bigger number than 48?

Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't 49 a bigger number than 48? You're saying you permafrenzy?

You're saying you permafrenzy? And you're saying you never get camped by a ranger or mes?
You're trying to compare the crappy 3-skill warrior when he's not able to perma-frenzy, or is getting kited, blinded, etc.

Might I ask... How much damage do you do if any mesmer worth his salt is kicking around, or if the enemy happens to have RoF/PS?

Might I ask... How much damage do you do if any mesmer worth his salt is kicking around, or if the enemy happens to have RoF/PS? This partly ties into the problem of threat. Without a single skill (via Diversion, DShot, Magebane, whatnot), your character is virtually useless. A Warrior still provides quite a positional, if not anything else, threat, even when hexed or whatnot.

Okay.

Let's see - Your build has a literal 8 second recharge on it. I'm being generous here, as this is counting spamming on recharge, which is probably something that's not very achievable - finding opportune targets is difficult, especially for your build which does not kill a person from at least 85%, and that if you're spamming on recharge you're incredibly predictable. It does 364 damage per 8 seconds, which is 45.5 DPS. As a spike, it's not very threatening, due to it not being able to kill a character alone, and that a 3 second spike is way too easy to prot against. Hence, opponents in organized teams are going to ignore it. It has basically no threat. Besides, it's not like a Diversion or DShot won't throw your whole thing off, and your character is very inflexible, but let's put that aside for now.

The Warrior, however, is a constant threat. As long as he's there, they need to shut him down, or they're going to get pummelled. So he might deal, say 20 DPS, but the opponent is expending resources and time to prevent the Warrior from achieving his natural 40 DPS. The Warrior also has a spike outside of his main DPS engine, which requires more protting and defending against. A Warrior can also bring disruption and other miscellaneous utility.

That 40 DPS is not counting skills. As I said, warriors bring other goodies. However the damage is easily nullified. If someone wants to nullify this guys damage, they are going to be using abilities that they don't want recharging when a spike is actually called.

And you're saying you never get camped by a ranger or mes?
You're trying to compare the crappy 3-skill warrior when he's not able to perma-frenzy, or is getting kited, blinded, etc.

Might I ask... How much damage do you do if any mesmer worth his salt is kicking around, or if the enemy happens to have RoF/PS?

How much damage do you do when you are hexed out the rear, snared, and blinded? What's the difference?

Just face it, warriors are better in damage

if you want to make a water ele, the strenght comes in shutting down with either blurred vision (block) or slow-down (kite)
Shatterstone is just there to help with a spike, but don't pump your bar with damage spells. it isn't needed, warriors are better at it. I never had someone yell 'WOW WTF' when I was playing my warrior or thumper. I guess that makes me biased.

The difference is that the opposition has to maintain it, and remember that Blind is easily removed in skirmish situations via Mending Touch, if there is no backline support. How is maintaining a hex any different from maintaining a shutdown? They're both fire and forget. The hex can be removed, while the shutdown needs to hit something critical, they both have their drawbacks.

And if you don't understand that a Warrior is a much more flexible threat than any caster will be, you apparently need to learn more, since that is one of the basics of GW PvP strategy/tactics - one might even classify it as basic game mechanics. QFT.
Warrior > your face.
As it always was, is and ever shall be.