What are the best weapon mods today?

Age

Age

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Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

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What are the best weapon mods today?I am still using a Furious as well as a elemental mod and have a vamp.I use an ebon for melee type and furious just to build up adrenal as I don't have room for FGJ.What is up with sundering?

MBP

MBP

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Arizona

Clanless Fraggers

R/Mo

I like furious or icy/fiery/shocking for sword

Sundering or zealous for axe


I don't know about the exact math involved in the sundering mod, but basically more armor penetration = more damage correct?

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

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my standard PvP setup is zealous-elemental-vamp

zealous or vamp for everyday bashing (depends if i need the energy or not)

vamp for spikes on everything except warriors

elemental for spikes on warriors

if you're interested in the background on sundering :
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Damage_calculation

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

PvE - Vamp or Sundering for damage, Zealous if you need energy (this is meh imo due to DSlash)

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

Axe - Sundering, Elemental, Vampiric
Sword - Elemental, Vampiric
Hammer - Vampiric, Elemental, ZEALOUS LULZ

In order of preference, of course. All types are carried at the appropriate times, to allow for on-the-spot set swaps according to the present circumstances.

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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Sundering/Vamp/Elemental

Never been a fan of zealous.

The real hard question is does anyone use a Suffix other than +30hp? and if so why do you use it?

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

of defense. I always use it for pve. its more use than fortitude when you already have 600 hp and costs next to nothing.

Randvek

Randvek

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Rise From the Ashes [phnx]

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Vamp is the best, though a quick switch to Elemental when you're on a Warrior or between fights is always pro.

h9dlb

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Leeds England

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I agree vamp is best by a long way. It can be annoying to use when your out of combat due to the -1 health degeneration, but if there are any healers in your party they will heal you automatically, or you can just switch the sword into your back pack. However vampiric comes into its own once you get into combat due to its life stealing abilities and is great with any skill hich increases attack speed.

If you cant get the mod you can buy a full vampiric sword or get the drop - see Wahli's blade , or Shiro's sword. Both are identical except the skin - these are the stats, although I dont know how much they cost to buy

* Slashing damage 15-22 (req. 13 Swordsmanship)
* Damage +15% (while Health is above 50%)
* Life stealing: 3
* Health Regeneration - 1
* Health +30

Shadow Own

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

Holland

Mantle Assasin (MA)

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shiro sword is CRAP
it has a requirement of 13

victo's blade,wahli's blade or sword of the kinslayer have r9, same stats, so i would never take shiros sword

Yichi

Yichi

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Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Own
shiro sword is CRAP
it has a requirement of 13

victo's blade,wahli's blade or sword of the kinslayer have r9, same stats, so i would never take shiros sword you run less than 14 swordsmanship on a warrior??!!

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Age
What is up with sundering? On a weapon like an axe or a scythe, which have high critical damage and are used for spiking, Sundering is decent in a way that Vampiric isn't. A sundering crit hitting somewhere during an Eviscerate spike is really mean.

For a sword which isn't really used for spiking, or daggers, Sundering is less desireable. When these weapons are doing damage (i.e. Dragon Slash), its usually based on the armor-ignoring +damage mods they get, not crits or base damage as much.

Coloneh

Coloneh

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Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by iridescentfyre
On a weapon like an axe or a scythe, which have high critical damage and are used for spiking, Sundering is decent in a way that Vampiric isn't. A sundering crit hitting somewhere during an Eviscerate spike is really mean.

For a sword which isn't really used for spiking, or daggers, Sundering is less desireable. When these weapons are doing damage (i.e. Dragon Slash), its usually based on the armor-ignoring +damage mods they get, not crits or base damage as much. note that average DPS of a vampiric weapon is higher on every weapon type than sundering.

blue.rellik

blue.rellik

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Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Own
shiro sword is CRAP
it has a requirement of 13

victo's blade,wahli's blade or sword of the kinslayer have r9, same stats, so i would never take shiros sword What are you, a ranger or something? Why does the req even matter?

Surena

Surena

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Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

low req on warriors is either showoff or a sign of a very bad player, which includes all obsidian tanks. In the beginning of Guild Wars people would believe that a low req weapon would benefit you with a higher chance of critical hits.

I think zealous is the best weapon mod you could bring in PvE. It powers YMLAD and other bonbon skills very well.

KazeMitsui

KazeMitsui

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Join Date: Nov 2005

pretty sure its all up in yo face

[WHAT]

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ok so pve wise
i just use vamp and sundering and frenzy all my weapons

in pvp
axe - zealous, vamp, ele, sundering for when i feel like it
sword - sundering, ele, vamp
hammer - sundering, vamp

zealous is a must on shock axe and frenzy spam imo

h9dlb

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Leeds England

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Shiro's sword is not "crap". A swordsman needs swordsmanship of at least 14 to do any real damage so it doesnt matter that shiro's sword has a req of 13

Yukito Kunisaki

Yukito Kunisaki

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Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

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I play from a PvE standpoint but the weapons I list can be used for PvP as well.

Your first 3 melee weapons should be in this order:

Zealous, Vampiric, Elemental.

Your fourth weapon should be a vampiric bow of some sort. Since you're running it with no req. and no bow skillz, some armor ignoring health stolen is your best bet, though small, it's used for pulling or combining with teammates while casting Barbs on your opponent.

Zealous is good since your first targets should be casters, if the wall of melee coming to your party is too large, have your elemental weapon as your first weapon.

Vampiric is your second priority since you should only equip it if your health/energy is high [no need for zealous], your foe has low armor [not melee], and you're ready to spike. It should never be equipped outside combat for obvious reasons...

Elemental is last since well, shouldn't you deal with enemy warriors last? If you're forced to deal with them first, then this should be used instead of zealous.

I used to be a fan of the +30 hp Fortitude Mods, but have found the of Defense mods to be better. First off, it's cheaper, and second, in terms of armor ignoring degen, that extra 30 hp will only prevent 2 seconds of it since you're losing 20hp/s. at 10 degen... gah* It MIGHT be good as a DP shock absorber but it does NOT justify the price. That's right, that Armor modifier is much better value for your Gold than that fortitude mod. I personally go the unique item route so I always have +30 hp ^_^.

You shouldn't have to use Sundering or any other % based garbage mods. They may do well on shields, but as an attack, i want to know I'm getting my mod to land 100% of the time. You're using Executioner's Strike or some other HUGE armor ignoring damage modifier skill right? Who cares about Sundering's garbage? [there's a 20% chance 1 in 5 that your attack skill pierce armor... wth?]

Furious is also a % based garbage buff. If you're in a REAL hurry to build adrenaline, bring FGJ or Mark of Fury. Being able to use pure buff mods vs. % based is more efficient. No guesswork needed. You have an IAS right? Building Adrenaline should NEVER be an issue with that in your bar...

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki
Elemental is last since well, shouldn't you deal with enemy warriors last? Depends on how much of a threat they are. I actually find that in practice, if an enemy group is going to wipe my group, its going to be one of two things: either a massively powerful HM elementalist or channeling rit boss, or really strong melee. Sometimes the warriors are just doing the heaviest DPS against my group.

Savio

Savio

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki
You shouldn't have to use Sundering or any other % based garbage mods.
Quote: It MIGHT be good as a DP shock absorber but it does NOT justify the price. Sundering and fortitude are okay in PvE unless you're stuck in the year 2005. If you are, my apologies.

Quote:
Mark of Fury is crap.

Quote: Builds are based on gameplay type; people don't run the same warrior build in both PvE and PvP.

Quote:
Elemental is last since well, shouldn't you deal with enemy warriors last? [skill]Conjure Flame[/skill][skill]Conjure Frost[/skill][skill]Conjure Lightning[/skill]
Take your pick.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

You forgot one [skill]Conjure Earth[/skill] There isn't a Conjure Earth why is that darn it as mine is ebon .

What is the censes of all the weapons in which type of game play that being PvP and PvE.

Lets Say
PvP: sword
axe
hammer

PvE: sword
axe
hammer

Scary Raebbit

Scary Raebbit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

PvP Axe: Sunder/Vamp (Prot Spirit lawls), Elemental, Zealous
PvP Sword: Zealous, Vamp, Elemental
PvP Hammer: Sunder, Vamp, Ele (I don't really know)

PvE Axe: Why are you using an Axe?
PvE Sword: Zealous, Vamp, Furious (don't really need to spend the extra plat for Sundering or just don't get a third sword)
PvE Hammer: Seriously, why are you using a Hammer and not a Sword?

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

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Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

Your really going to use the same mods in PvP as in PvE since the mods are build based rather than game play type.

That being said I think most go with Vamp or Elemental in PvP since there is a lower chance of zealous returning enough energy to be worth while. If your not using a conjure then its likely you'll run a Vamp/Sundering set of weapons, switching as needed.

In PvE just about any build can work so just about any mod can be used to fit your build.

Though there is no conjure earth it is something they should concider adding at this point since the reasons not to have been made moot. Water magic now has almost = armor enchants as earth and snare spells + Conjure Frost.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Your really going to use the same mods in PvP as in PvE since the mods are build based rather than game play type.
That being said I think most go with Vamp or Elemental in PvP since there is a lower chance of zealous returning enough energy to be worth while. Energy is much more important on a PvP warrior; not having a zealous weapon swap is setting yourself up for failure.

Zamochit

Zamochit

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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I agree that a zealous weapon should always be available to a warrior in both pve and pvp ~ the main difference I find is with kiting in pvp. In pve a zealous weapon will always regenerate more energy than you lose with the 1 pip energy degen. In pvp you will find it necessary to weapon swap far more frequently to maintain optimum energy management.

My elemental weapon is almost always Ebon when I am not running a conjure, this is because it is the least likely +10 vs damage reduction mod you are likely to come across on an opponant.

I also use furious when running a dragonslash build for when FGJ is on downtime. Double adrenaline on a Dslash hit or a enraging charge hit is very nice indeed.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sundering I tested myself on the new DPS dummy and I'm not going to use it again. You can try it yourself the gain is practically worthless.

I say go with something that complements your build. With zealous and some other e-management strategy a warrior can effectively use spells that are out of reach normally. My most recommended option is if you're going to use a condition get the lengthener. Deep wound at 33% longer? That's woot. Or you can take an elemental mod and use the conjure spell. Whatever you want but match the weapon to the build, don't buy into a 'standard' mod set that's pretty much the same as getting 30hp and no real bonus.

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scary Raebbit
PvE Axe: Why are you using an Axe? Coz I don't use riposte,deadly riposte and some shitty "tank" skills ?

kobey

kobey

GW Retiree

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sg Unknown [KATE]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by yum
Coz I don't use riposte,deadly riposte and some shitty "tank" skills ? the way u says it makes me interpret it as u r linking sword to riposte, deadly riposte

sorry if i am wrong with how i interpret it

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

If you're in to energy-based IAS and energy skills, zealous prefixes let you spam more. If I use Triple Chop, Cyclone Axe, Hundred Blades or Whirlwind Attack, zealous shines.

Otherwise I use an appropriate elemental mod.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by IlikeGW
Deep wound at 33% longer? That's woot.
No, it's stupid because an enemy with DW should be dying in the next 10 seconds.

Quote:
Originally Posted by yum
Coz I don't use riposte,deadly riposte and some shitty "tank" skills ? [wiki]Dragon Slash[/wiki].

angmar_nite

angmar_nite

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

[SNOW] of [YUM]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by yum
Coz I don't use riposte,deadly riposte and some shitty "tank" skills ? Go Deep plz for shitty tank skills.

Go Dragon slash/Save yourself for PVE win plz.

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
[wiki]Dragon Slash[/wiki]. so sword >>> axe just because of tis?

zomg dragon slash, I killed 1 mobs!!!!!!!!

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by yum
so sword >>> axe just because of tis?

zomg dragon slash, I killed 1 mobs!!!!!!!! yes

oh + FGY it is

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by yum
so sword >>> axe just because of tis? No.
But when you throw the PvE skills Brawling Headbutt and "Save Yourselves!" next to Dragon Slash, it looks very sexy.

Admittedly, Triple Chop makes for a stronger AoE guy, but I couldn't care. Splinter Weapon is win.

moriz

moriz

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

cyclone axe+whirling attack, combined with eviscerate and executioner's. deal excellent AoE with cyclone+whirling, at the same time charge up eviscerate and executioner's to finish off leftovers.

i mean, i suppose sword is better than axe for pve, but i don't have a sword.

ontopic:

the mods are primarily vamp, sundering, zealous, and elemental of any type. the other ones are pretty situational.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by yum
so sword >>> axe just because of tis?

zomg dragon slash, I killed 1 mobs!!!!!!!! You're either playing a different game or you don't know anything about the current state of warriors in PvE. Dragon slash + brawling headbutt + save yourselves + FGJ = gfg, you're a beast.

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

I replied to the guy saying that axe was useless.

And yes I don't have GWEN.

Bai.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Oh, you don't have GWEN.

Dragon slash + save yourselves + FGJ = gfg, you're still a beast.

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

axe can do better than that.

Beside, splinter weapon = deal damage, not "hit". It is not win imo

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

Triple chop + cyclone axe + whirlwind still beats a Dslash bar for DPS in PvE.

AoE > Single target destruction.