Tiered HA

Fixed that for ya.

This has been suggested a billion times before now...

I don't think I can agree with that level of seperation though... maybe make about rank 6 the only divider because IIRC, that's about when people become elitist jerks.


While we are talking about HoH, why is it only one battle is going on at a time now that the regions aren't fighting for it? Why not make it as many that get there?

Are you joking? It has been since Tombs was real since I've seen an honest-to-goodness balanced.

Ever since IWAY and ViMway were made, HoH has been all IMBA.

Probably would cause more problems than it solves, but it would be nice for a R1 player like me to actually get in a HA group once...

Wow a pver has an opinion, how cute.

Well I see a lot of balanced groups. Lol maybe you should run a balanced and get past golden gates.

Tiered HA would be nice, but then it would run into the same problems as GvG. I can't imagine the gnashing of teeth there would be if some higher ranks smurfed into Rank 1-3 HA or whatever.

If by balanced you mean spike + ward foes + grasping then ok

PS: Divine is pro at PvE c/d?

although i agree that something needs to be done to help new players or returning players in HA (i myself am returning from a couple of months break and have found it practically impossible to find a team that will let me in)
Tiering as said before would have long wait times, so is not the answer.
But it is annoying how many people refuse to take a unranked or low ranked player, there are low rankers out there with as much skill as the rank 10's but cannot progress due to the lack of low rank teams or higher ones willing to take them in.

The only low rank players that would have more skill (though in HA I believe it's just experience over anything else) are those that are fantastic at the other areas of the game- Last Of Master was like rank 3, but I doubt they'd have trouble finding groups.

I know it's been said 9001 times, but everyone started as rank 0. It was just as difficult back then to get into a group as it is now. Keep trying, build up friend lists- it's not that hard.

couldnt agree more, friend list is FTW here

yay divine is a pver?

oh i c how pr0 u r.

Here's a great idea..

Give people who don't really care about HA the option to remove the "Hero" title from their title page... Every time I click on my title screen and see Hero (1) staring at me I just want to choke one of those r12, fame farming, double faction weekend nubs.

Either that or go with the suggestion that we split the ranks and deal with the wait. For those who don't want to wait and are "impatient", create a free-for-all section where any rank can join. That way you can either skip the wait and risk fighting a "good player"(according to these rediculous ranks), or wait around for a bit and fight someone with the same amount of time put into the battle as you have.

Anyone care to argue?

I say to eliminate this bullshit rank crap, players should be able to earn fame through out PvP and not just from HA

My earned fame system
HA: stays the same
GvG: earn 5 fame per match, winning team only
RA, HB, and TA: earn 1 fame per match, winning team only

Fame and rank are supposed to determine a players skill in a tournament, but HA is not the only tournaments anymore, GvG is and HB is, but to ad RA and TA is only fair, still the best place to earn fame fast will be HA, but atleast players will have options.

i agree but in ta , ra , hb u already get glad pts and commander pts..no need for another title there..but would be nice... and gvg u get champion or wat ever..but yeah would be nice to have some fame pts but if u trying to get ur rank up..join a HA guild..if that doesnt work and u cant get a group together, either make ur own or just give up..dont really waste ur time..since u cant really use henchies anymore..no fun lawl

I like this system except for HB. You already get Commander points for a win, whereas you're not guaranteed a Glad point, per se. Maybe remove Glad points?

I really think not-high-end GvG deserves some kind of reward besides Faction. Seriously, a r800vr900 (or whatever, just below the champ range) is much more difficult than any HA match.

Hm... what about scalling rewards so those with less rank get more points when facing those with higher, and making 'equal rank' matches have preference if there are enough people, and if there is not enough, then just let anyone enter.

Only the 3 highest rank matches would be observed and addition ones won't.

That should work.

i totally hear you ><

/signed

won't be implemented but /signed

Remind how your gonna be a better player if you play people the same/ worse than you?

oh thats right, your not.

Gank Fails. NO one is good at ha...Its all about builds.....just being good doesnt guarentee a win. and neither does rank... 8 r12s randomway isnt going to beat a heroway...its all about the build you run. Gank is only good because they make there own builds to counter everything when logistcally there no better than average r3's...if you give r3's a build gank runs...they could still hold halls.

EDIT: And can spike.....

to the guy above me, how come some balanced teams are good and others are complete shit? same build, less skill. sure some of it is buildwars, but come on

and a "fix" would be to change the maps/objectives, skill balances, and get more pugs into

I'd like to comment that a lot of us don't care if HA wait times are increased since that would be better than no HA at all (I got bored of it around the same time LR fell apart and haven't really done any since then due to the state HA is in. It would be easier with a guild, granted, but all I see is the "must be r9+" sort of bullshit.). So anyways, yeh, it's a meaningless complaint. I look forward to the fresh start that Gw2 will bring.

I'd gladly sign the removal of all titles for the game. (If that required a rollback to 2005 and the removal of factions and nightfall, then as much as I love Factions, I'd still agree to it if it would remove titles.)

While in the past I have supported similar ideas, after thinking about it, I don't see how breaking the playerbase up is going to help in this situation. Nor do I see much good in sticking newbies who have n00bs to teach them. Likewise rolling a bad team isn't much of a learning experience like losing to a good team and learning from it.

/signet but like 0-3 3-6 6-9 and 9-12 12-

I would agree with the basic idea of a two tiered HA system under the following circumstances...

Tier 1: Anyone of any rank can choose to enter here. Think of it as a practice tier. This is where people can learn 8 v 8 tactics, practice on HA maps, etc. Balth faction can be earned here as well in order to unlock skills for eventual graduation to Tier 2. Tier 1 should not award fame points.

Tier 2: HA as it is now.

I know that getting into a team can be difficult if you are not already ranked but that can be addressed through social networking (friends list FTW). In my opinion the real concern is the inability of either PUG teams or inexperienced guild/alliance teams to gain any significant experience in HA because they are so readily steamrolled very early on in their attempts.

Solving the problem of gaining experience in HA by cheapening the titles that some have worked so hard to get is not the answer. If you change things so that HA is easier then the value of its rewards are very much reduced. I am primarily a PVE player (only R4 fame) but am very proud of every single fame point that I have earned. I would be much less so were my fame earned with training wheels.

I believe that giving people with aspirations of HA greatness a venue in which to practice and learn would offer the inexperienced a chance at developing the skills needed to improve their play enough to be competitive in true HA.

As regards to all of the comments about people not learning at all from facing opponents of equal experience: I believe that you underestimate human competitive nature. Someone who wants to win will think and work at beating their foes. Their tactics, builds, etc will evolve. Others will react to that evolution by evolving their tactics as well. Soon enough those people will take the next logical step and will seek out greater challenges. But they have to start somewhere and the current system discourages new people from giving HA a serious effort.

All in all I would rather have the current system in which I have difficulty getting into a group because I am not R6+ than a system where my achievements mean less.

/Notsigned.

If this happened and I was still unranked, I would avoid HA even more than I already do.

Instead of learning to play you'll be getting frustrated by those shitty gimmicks taking you out over and over because you're bad and want to learn.

Aye, the best thing for a new player is to play with better players so he can learn the game. Segregating the players won't help that.

They should just remove HA and redo it all over again ...

Watch and learn for newcomers to HA is important, just not to write down skills used by leet players, but just to see how they are used, what kind of team you will fight against. This helps a lot imo

And about the fact you will get steamrolled, it always happens even for decent groups, HA is a competitive mode, don't forget it.

And yes, newcomers might (they surely will...) be afraid of this, but if they bypass this, they will learn, and improve their gaming...

It's like everything : training and perseverance, and again training... Don't even expect winning within your first runs ~~

/signed

Good idea. I am a n00b at HA and hate it when I fight higher level people who kick my arsenal in one hit.

Enough said.

~Prof.