why are there no Paragon shields with a leadership req?

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Dec 27, 2007 at 7:35 PM • #1

hey, im just wondering if anyone has any reasons why Anet did not introduce shields with a leadership req? thanks
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Dec 27, 2007 at 8:31 PM • #2

because they already have 2 shields for the other attributes. I could ask the same about a Beastmastery weapon.

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Dec 27, 2007 at 11:13 PM • #3

I won't lie, it would be nice.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:05 AM • #4

"Hey, you guys go ahead, I'll just hide behind my shield here, thanks!"

Just doesn't smack of Leadership to me, you know what I mean?

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:19 AM • #5

They have the same amount as the warrior. A warrior has Strength or Tactics req, and the Paragon has Command or Motivation req. Maybe it has to do with the defensive buffs in the line? A lot of Command skills deal with buffing or preventing damage, and a lot of Motivation skills deal with healing.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:25 AM • #6

guess since its +80 armour for para..warrior:str+tacts-parapgon:motiv+command

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:29 AM • #7

Because 95% of Paragons will always have atleast 9 Leadership, so Leadership shields would basically have no requirement.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:33 AM • #8

Quote: Originally Posted by Terraban

Because 95% of Paragons will always have atleast 9 Leadership, so Leadership shields would basically have no requirement. Because warriors completely ignore the strength attribute.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:39 AM • #9

Quote: Originally Posted by You can't see me

Because warriors completely ignore the strength attribute. Strength can be ignored on a Warrior

Leadership cannot be ignored on a Paragon

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:42 AM • #10

Quote: Originally Posted by Terraban

Strength can be ignored on a Warrior

Leadership cannot be ignored on a Paragon I could argue, but I won't. But I will say that the percentage of warriors using strength is probably around the same as paragons using leadership.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:43 AM • #11

Quote: Originally Posted by You can't see me

Because warriors completely ignore the strength attribute. That's rhetorical, right? Strenth is a bad attribute by itself; the only thing good about it is the skills in that line. If Strength didn't have good skills, there would be no reason to drop points into it. Leadership is still very good with no Leadership skills, but Agressive Refrain is too good to leave behind.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:45 AM • #12

Quote: Originally Posted by You can't see me

I could argue, but I won't. But I will say that the percentage of warriors using strength is probably around the same as paragons using leadership. 100% of Paragons use Leadership....

Steady Stance warriors use no Strength.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:52 AM • #13

Terraban, to be fair, you may be overlooking all the /fail PVE Paragons with 7 Chants/Shouts/Echos/Anthems + Rez. These people use no spear skills, and no points in Spear Mastery. It's quite possible they run without Leadership as well.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:53 AM • #14

Quote: Originally Posted by MisterB

Terraban, to be fair, you may be overlooking all the /fail PVE Paragons with 7 Chants/Shouts/Echos/Anthems + Rez. These people use no spear skills, and no points in Spear Mastery. It's quite possible they run without Leadership as well. Well yeah, but the utter /fail people should be irrelevant when it comes to anything that matters balance wise.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 1:40 AM • #15

Quote: Originally Posted by MisterB

Terraban, to be fair, you may be overlooking all the /fail PVE Paragons with 7 Chants/Shouts/Echos/Anthems + Rez. These people use no spear skills, and no points in Spear Mastery. It's quite possible they run without Leadership as well. true but leadership =paragon´s energy so unless the player is using only adrenaline chants/shouts/echos its a must for some energy management

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Dec 28, 2007 at 3:11 AM • #16

Paragons are overpowered enough without shields tied to their primary attribute.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 5:52 AM • #17

Quote: Originally Posted by Terraban

100% of Paragons use Leadership....

Steady Stance warriors use no Strength. I didn't know we were including Scrub PvP warriors in this.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 9:37 AM • #18

Well there are so many things anet does that makes no sense at all.
And not making a leadership weapon is one of it.

Let's face it how many monks won't put points in divine favour, how many eles not in energy storage and how many necros not in soulreaping ?

At the other hand it would be nice if they would make a flag or so tied to the leadershipatribute line.

Also not 100% of paragons use leadership, alot use spear attacks mainly.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:04 PM • #19

Quote: Also not 100% of paragons use leadership, alot use spear attacks mainly. If you're not using Leadership as a Paragon, you're gimping yourself. There's energy management and good skills to be had in high Leadership.

Warriors' can only boast about strong skills in Strength. The inherent effect is extremely weak.

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At the other hand it would be nice if they would make a flag or so tied to the leadershipatribute line. What would be the point of this off-hand? All current non-shield off-hands provide bonus energy, something that Leadership already gives, in great abundance.

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Dec 28, 2007 at 12:58 PM • #20

Quote: Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist If you're not using Leadership as a Paragon, you're gimping yourself. There's energy management and good skills to be had in high Leadership. Doesn't change the fact that not every paragon puts points in leadership. There is no rule that says you have to put points in it.

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

What would be the point of this off-hand? All current non-shield off-hands provide bonus energy, something that Leadership already gives, in great abundance. Well to have something different from all those shields and etc.
We already have 2 atribute lines wich give use shields.
Would be nice to run around with a flag
and it atleast would make you feel more leaderlike IMO.
And for instance the flag could have a inherent effect that boosts the entire party (well aslong they are in shoutrange).
For instance the flag could give a +1 health regen to the entire party or a +1 energy regen or +5 armour against that type of damage or etc.

Just trying to think out of the box,
paragons are ment to buff party members than why not let the weapons they use buff party members to ?

Also flag bonuses are but half as powerful as 'normal' weapon bonuses, only count for the people within shoutrange and don't overlap.

(So 2 paragons with a +1 health regen flag will result into but 1 healthregen for the entire party but 2 paragons with 2 different flags give each there specific bonus)