Sorry if this has been asked to death but would appreciate the help
New Paragon
miprat
I am looking for a good PVE build for Para. I saw the thread with the Focused anger build. Is that the best one around? What would be the other skills besides the ones listed and the attribute stat breakdown?
Sorry if this has been asked to death but would appreciate the help
Sorry if this has been asked to death but would appreciate the help
Faith Falls Fast
[skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Spear of Redemption[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]"There's Nothing to Fear!"[/skill][skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill][skill]Ballad of Restoration[/skill][skill]Energizing Chorus[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]
Use that, it's good, the end.
Use that, it's good, the end.
Targuil
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Originally Posted by Faith Falls Fast
[skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Spear of Redemption[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]"There's Nothing to Fear!"[/skill][skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill][skill]Ballad of Restoration[/skill][skill]Energizing Chorus[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]
Use that, it's good, the end. Lack of "save yourselves!" = /fail
Use that, it's good, the end. Lack of "save yourselves!" = /fail
Arkantos
[skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Spear Of Lightning[/skill][skill]Focused Anger[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill]"Save Yourselves!" "Theres Nothing To Fear!"[skill]Signet Of Return[/skill]Optional.
12 Leadership
13 Spear Mastery
9 Command/Motivation (shield req)
If you die, you either aggro'd a couple of mobs in hard mode or for some reason you're doing something horribly wrong.
12 Leadership
13 Spear Mastery
9 Command/Motivation (shield req)
If you die, you either aggro'd a couple of mobs in hard mode or for some reason you're doing something horribly wrong.
upier
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Originally Posted by Targuil
Lack of "save yourselves!" = /fail
I think I went through most of RoT without SY. Or maybe all?
So ... no.
So ... no.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by upier
I think I went through most of RoT without SY. Or maybe all?
So ... no. You can go through RoT as a wammo with healing skills, it doesn't mean the build isn't fail.
A PvE paragon without SY is pretty fail. SY is pretty much a staple on a PvE paragon. Sure you'll still be effective without it, but a +100 armor party wide buff that can be kept up almost indefinitely is just amazing. Theres no reason you shouldn't have it.
So ... no. You can go through RoT as a wammo with healing skills, it doesn't mean the build isn't fail.
A PvE paragon without SY is pretty fail. SY is pretty much a staple on a PvE paragon. Sure you'll still be effective without it, but a +100 armor party wide buff that can be kept up almost indefinitely is just amazing. Theres no reason you shouldn't have it.
upier
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
You can go through RoT as a wammo with healing skills, it doesn't mean the build isn't fail.
A PvE paragon without SY is pretty fail. SY is pretty much a staple on a PvE paragon. Sure you'll still be effective without it, but a +100 armor party wide buff that can be kept up almost indefinitely is just amazing. Theres no reason you shouldn't have it. Mesmers can be created in PvE.
I think that says enough about how much certain things are needed in PvE.
(Oh and please stop belittling me with comparing something that is bad - with something that is very good - just not godly!)
A PvE paragon without SY is pretty fail. SY is pretty much a staple on a PvE paragon. Sure you'll still be effective without it, but a +100 armor party wide buff that can be kept up almost indefinitely is just amazing. Theres no reason you shouldn't have it. Mesmers can be created in PvE.
I think that says enough about how much certain things are needed in PvE.
(Oh and please stop belittling me with comparing something that is bad - with something that is very good - just not godly!)
MercenaryKnight
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
[skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Spear Of Lightning[/skill][skill]Focused Anger[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill]"Save Yourselves!" "Theres Nothing To Fear!"[skill]Signet Of Return[/skill]Optional.
12 Leadership
13 Spear Mastery
9 Command/Motivation (shield req)
If you die, you either aggro'd a couple of mobs in hard mode or for some reason you're doing something horribly wrong. Instead of spear of lightning, swap it out for spear of fury. Optional would be the command shout that causes weakness so you can always cast that and throw spear of fury to get the adrenaline gain.
12 Leadership
13 Spear Mastery
9 Command/Motivation (shield req)
If you die, you either aggro'd a couple of mobs in hard mode or for some reason you're doing something horribly wrong. Instead of spear of lightning, swap it out for spear of fury. Optional would be the command shout that causes weakness so you can always cast that and throw spear of fury to get the adrenaline gain.
Racthoh
Spear of Fury is okay but if you have GW:EN there are much better PvE skills to look into.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
You can go through RoT as a wammo with healing skills, it doesn't mean the build isn't fail.
A PvE paragon without SY is pretty fail. SY is pretty much a staple on a PvE paragon. Sure you'll still be effective without it, but a +100 armor party wide buff that can be kept up almost indefinitely is just amazing. Theres no reason you shouldn't have it. So someone with only Nightfall cannot make a skillbar that isn't fail?
A PvE paragon without SY is pretty fail. SY is pretty much a staple on a PvE paragon. Sure you'll still be effective without it, but a +100 armor party wide buff that can be kept up almost indefinitely is just amazing. Theres no reason you shouldn't have it. So someone with only Nightfall cannot make a skillbar that isn't fail?
xiaotsu
SY is a paragon skill, is it not?
Someone without Nightfall won't be making a paragon.
EDIT: Never mind, it's warrior, shows how much I play those classes.
Someone without Nightfall won't be making a paragon.
EDIT: Never mind, it's warrior, shows how much I play those classes.
Winterclaw
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
So someone with only Nightfall cannot make a skillbar that isn't fail?
By his logic, yeap.
Ark, isn't that suggested build of yours pretty energy heavy? Looks like you can easily run into problems with that one.
Ark, isn't that suggested build of yours pretty energy heavy? Looks like you can easily run into problems with that one.
miprat
Is there something i can replace SY with until I get that far with para in factions?
Kale Ironfist
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Ark, isn't that suggested build of yours pretty energy heavy? Looks like you can easily run into problems with that one.
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Is there something i can replace SY with until I get that far with para in factions?
"Watch Yourself!" should suffice.
Targuil
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Originally Posted by miprat
Is there something i can replace SY with until I get that far with para in factions?
You can get SY! from GH.
upier
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Originally Posted by Targuil
You can get SY! from GH.
Yeah but you need to be able to get to Factions so that the dude will sell it to you.
As long as you hadn't unlocked the travel to Cantha - the dude will just offer you scrolls/jade/amber/raise rep.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
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There bar will be inferior, but not fail. If you have factions and nightfall and you choose to not bring SY, that's fail. If you only have nightfall, there's nothing you can do.
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Ark, isn't that suggested build of yours pretty energy heavy? Looks like you can easily run into problems with that one.
I'm guessing you've never played a paragon. Leadership, read the description. At 12 leadership, you get 6 energy per shout when you're in your 8 man party. You'll be using SY every 4 attacks, which is 6 energy every few seconds. If you run into energy problems, you're either getting blocked or you're just bad.
Terraban
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
There bar will be inferior, but not fail. If you have factions and nightfall and you choose to not bring SY, that's fail. If you only have nightfall, there's nothing you can do.
I'm guessing you've never played a paragon. Leadership, read the description. At 12 leadership, you get 6 energy per shout when you're in your 8 man party. You'll be using SY every 4 attacks, which is 6 energy every few seconds. If you run into energy problems, you're either getting blocked or you're just bad. Or you are SPARTAAAAAA
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Terraban
Or you are SPARTAAAAAA
Sparta != fail
Energy problems on a paragon = fail Seriously. If you manage to run out of energy on a paragon in a full party, there's something seriously wrong.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
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Bring Dark Fury on someone and make it every 2 attacks. Epic.
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If you run into energy problems, you're either getting blocked or you're just bad.
If you're getting blocked you're being bad at SY paragon. You have one job; attack initial target, change if Aegis/Guardian goes up to keep adrenaline gain up. You will run into energy problems if you hit your attack skills on recharge without a Dark Fury present. Basically, what I'm saying is bring Dark Fury so you can smash skills as often as possible.
Arkantos
Yes, an orders necro/dervish really buffs paragons. Using SY every 2 attacks and doing a shit load of physical damage = epic.
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ou will run into energy problems if you hit your attack skills on recharge
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miprat
Ok I finally was able to cap Focused anger last night. The problem is I had already started the Cantha side to try to get to Lux territory now so its not giving me the option of getting SY from the GH. Is there any other way to get it without having to go all the way thru the factions story to that point?
IF I buy it with a character that has not opened Cantha is it possible to open it up with a paragon tome? Targuil
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Originally Posted by miprat
Ok I finally was able to cap Focused anger last night. The problem is I had already started the Cantha side to try to get to Lux territory now so its not giving me the option of getting SY from the GH. Is there any other way to get it without having to go all the way thru the factions story to that point?
IF I buy it with a character that has not opened Cantha is it possible to open it up with a paragon tome? Why can't you get it from GH, just go to few ab, speak to reward guy in GH and open SY! with 3000 kurzick/luxon faction. miprat
I have like 7k left of Lux faction(Just got the 15k Lux set for my ELE) so its not a faction issue
, it the issue that it doesnt give me the option to buy Lux skills. I did a test and all of my characters that have finished factions get that option from GH and my 2 characters that have never been to Cantha get the option but my paragon and one other character I have that hasnt got very far in factions do not get it as an option
Arkantos
You need the kurzick/luxon supporter title, which is donating 50k kurzick/luxon to your guild. My paragon has SY and is at vizunah square in Cantha, so being at some point in the game isn't required.
Utaku
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Originally Posted by miprat
I have like 7k left of Lux faction(Just got the 15k Lux set for my ELE) so its not a faction issue
, it the issue that it doesnt give me the option to buy Lux skills. I did a test and all of my characters that have finished factions get that option from GH and my 2 characters that have never been to Cantha get the option but my paragon and one other character I have that hasnt got very far in factions do not get it as an option
It's strange because my paragon only got to kaineng and can buy luxons skills from the guild hall NPC.
NecroticChanter
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Seriously. If you manage to run out of energy on a paragon in a full party, there's something seriously wrong.
They're all dead.
miprat
Trust me I wish I had that as an option. I dont want to take him thru factions yet
xDusT II
Do you need to be level 20 to get the skills? Because my level 16 Paragon has the title/faction but is not getting the option to purchase the skills from the GH and HzH NPC.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by xDusT II
Do you need to be level 20 to get the skills? Because my level 16 Paragon has the title/faction but is not getting the option to purchase the skills from the GH and HzH NPC.
Yes, you have to be level 20.
kobey
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Yes, an orders necro/dervish really buffs paragons. Using SY every 2 attacks and doing a shit load of physical damage = epic.
Just wondering how the hero use this build. Coz when i used it on my hero, they don't seem to want to cast Faithful Intervention and Divine Intervention. I got to click it for them every now and then. Do you get this problem too?
Arkantos
My hero seems to use them on herself, but I don't think I've seen her use divine on another person.
kobey
Hope that by setting them on 'avoid combat' and using a staff doesn't have anything to do with them not casting. Coz thats what i have been doing :P
maybe its the order of the skill ... will test again
Arkantos
Mine is on avoid combat with a staff too.
Racthoh
You need to pre-cast the interventions otherwise the hero will wait until the conditions are met to use them.
kobey
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
You need to pre-cast the interventions otherwise the hero will wait until the conditions are met to use them.
k seems like i can't be lazy then :P
thanks racthoh
Racthoh
Faithful isn't too bad. Cast it when you first zone and so long as you're not dying or facing heavy enchantment removal it'll never go down.
Horseman Of War
i dont really use 'save yourselves'... its good but not necessary.
also aggresive refrain kinda sucks anymore now that it has a penalty
Terraban
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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War
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i dont really use 'save yourselves'... its absolutely f'ing ownage but not necessary.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War
i dont really use 'save yourselves'... its good but not necessary.
also aggresive refrain kinda sucks anymore now that it has a penalty Nothing is necessary. But when you have a crazy skill like SY, you should bring it.
Aggressive refrain is still the best IAS for paragon. The cracked armor really does nothing.
also aggresive refrain kinda sucks anymore now that it has a penalty Nothing is necessary. But when you have a crazy skill like SY, you should bring it.
Aggressive refrain is still the best IAS for paragon. The cracked armor really does nothing.