I am wondering why triple chop is the first or second best elite in the game (only rivaled by dragon slash), but 100 blades, which hits the same amount of foes, is so completely less favored.
I agree that 100 blades is clearly inferior to triple chop because of lower damage, but it helps gain more adrenaline, and with conjure x, its damage is comparable to triple chop (at least i think so), assuming the triple chop bar doesnt have a conjure x.
i mean, with conjure x, shouldnt 100 blades be just as good as triple chop? am i missing something here?
100 blades vs triple chop
tonyh
LifeInfusion
First of all, Triple chop is not the second best elite in the game.
Hundred blades is only elite because it was exploited with Illusionary weaponry in beta.
Hundred blades is only elite because it was exploited with Illusionary weaponry in beta.
Marverick
Because if you're running Swords in PvE, then [skill=text]Dragon Slash[/skill] will generate more adrenaline than Hundred Blades and [wiki]Whirlwind Attack[/wiki] with the aforementioned Dragon Slash will put out more AoE damage when chained than Hundred Blades.
And Axes just have higher damage than Swords without comparing skills, so the only way Swords can rival Axes in PvE is if it can chain out skills that, together, put out more damage to rival the lower inherent damage of a Sword (AKA Dragon Slash). Hundred Blades doesn't allow you to do this.
Also why would you try to compare one skill with a completely unlinked +x damage buff to another weapon without one? Why can't Triple Chop be used with Conjure X? Granted, conjures are a complete waste of attributes, but comparing one skill with +14 or whatever damage inherently tacked onto it against another one is just stupid.
And Axes just have higher damage than Swords without comparing skills, so the only way Swords can rival Axes in PvE is if it can chain out skills that, together, put out more damage to rival the lower inherent damage of a Sword (AKA Dragon Slash). Hundred Blades doesn't allow you to do this.
Also why would you try to compare one skill with a completely unlinked +x damage buff to another weapon without one? Why can't Triple Chop be used with Conjure X? Granted, conjures are a complete waste of attributes, but comparing one skill with +14 or whatever damage inherently tacked onto it against another one is just stupid.
I Phoenix I
I'm pretty sure that Triple Chop isn't anywhere near the second best elite in the game...considering it is just a Cyclone Axe with more damage and a longer recharge...
Teutonic Paladin
Ignoring all the other reasons for Hundred Blades inferiority, if you have a sword, why aren't you using Dragon Slash? If you don't have Factions, why aren't you using Eviscerate? Adrenaline is nice but why do you need it? To power your fiercesome Sever + Gash combo that can be outdamaged by a Dismember for less adrenaline and the ability to use an Axe?
If you have to use a Sword Prophecies-Only Warrior, go ahead, but Triple Chop is better. It may just be a more powerful Cyclone but it's much more powerful and you can use both.
If you have to use a Sword Prophecies-Only Warrior, go ahead, but Triple Chop is better. It may just be a more powerful Cyclone but it's much more powerful and you can use both.
Marty Silverblade
IMO Cyclone Axe is better than Hundred Blades. The way I see things, you get the same number of attacks off (CA is 4 sec recharge, HB is 8 sec), but Cyclone Axe is not elite and has bonus damage. The adrenaline gained can go towards something more useful, like Eviscerate.
Tyla
second best elite in the game?
dragon slash first?
O_O
first best is crippling shot!!
for warriors, evis owns all!
in this discussion, triple chop hands down
dragon slash first?
O_O
first best is crippling shot!!
for warriors, evis owns all!
in this discussion, triple chop hands down
Arkantos
Triple chop - +damage
Hundred blades - no +damage
Add conjure to hundred, it's still less damage then triple chop without conjure.
Quote:
Hundred blades - no +damage
Add conjure to hundred, it's still less damage then triple chop without conjure.
Quote:
Hundred blades is only elite because it was exploited with Illusionary weaponry in beta. I think the term you're looking for is used, not exploited. Using 2 skills together is not an exploit.
Winterclaw
Triple Chop with conjure X will probably do more damage than 100B with the same conjure.
Here's the thing: there are better ways of doing damage and getting ade than 100 blades, which in practice is one of the weaker elites in the game. It's also rare to get enough targets to clump together in order to get that much of an ade gain anyways. Plus you have an ade cap, so useing 100B while everything is ready to go or one strike down is meaningless. To be honest, any of the other sword elites are probably a better option than 100B.
And to expand on what Ark was saying, the bonus damage of triple chop ignores armor, which is a large practicle advantage.
Here's the thing: there are better ways of doing damage and getting ade than 100 blades, which in practice is one of the weaker elites in the game. It's also rare to get enough targets to clump together in order to get that much of an ade gain anyways. Plus you have an ade cap, so useing 100B while everything is ready to go or one strike down is meaningless. To be honest, any of the other sword elites are probably a better option than 100B.
And to expand on what Ark was saying, the bonus damage of triple chop ignores armor, which is a large practicle advantage.
LifeInfusion
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
Triple chop - +damage
Hundred blades - no +damage
Add conjure to hundred, it's still less damage then triple chop without conjure.
I think the term you're looking for is used, not exploited. Using 2 skills together is not an exploit. sorry. Anet was pretty quick to nerf it though. Just like the Healing Hands + mending warriors.
Hundred blades - no +damage
Add conjure to hundred, it's still less damage then triple chop without conjure.
I think the term you're looking for is used, not exploited. Using 2 skills together is not an exploit. sorry. Anet was pretty quick to nerf it though. Just like the Healing Hands + mending warriors.
Teutonic Paladin
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyla salanari
second best elite in the game?
dragon slash first?
O_O
first best is crippling shot!!
for warriors, evis owns all!
in this discussion, triple chop hands down Welcome to the PvE Discussion forum. We're talking about warriors and skills. Unless you're suggesting a Crippling Shot Warrior I think you're confused. Dragon Slash allows you to not only maintain "Save Yourselves!" on your entire party making you virtually invincible, but also to keep someone permanently knocked down.
dragon slash first?
O_O
first best is crippling shot!!
for warriors, evis owns all!
in this discussion, triple chop hands down Welcome to the PvE Discussion forum. We're talking about warriors and skills. Unless you're suggesting a Crippling Shot Warrior I think you're confused. Dragon Slash allows you to not only maintain "Save Yourselves!" on your entire party making you virtually invincible, but also to keep someone permanently knocked down.
I Phoenix I
Quote:
Originally Posted by Teutonic Paladin
Quote:
|
best elite in the game
, and this isn't specifically a Warrior discussion forum.
Nyktos
The point is, it was obvious he meant for a PvE Warrior. In which case Dslash and 3chop are the best elites.
Teutonic Paladin
Quote:
Originally Posted by I Phoenix I
this isn't specifically a Warrior discussion forum.
This is a warrior discussion thread.
Earth
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyktos
Dslash and 3chop are the best elites.
Eviscerate is much better than Triple Chop, imo.
Coloneh
Quote:
Originally Posted by X Earth X
Eviscerate is much better than Triple Chop, imo.
not in PvE... not even close
Arkantos
Quote:
Originally Posted by X Earth X
Eviscerate is much better than Triple Chop, imo.
In PvP, yes.
In PvE, no.
Akolo
try a massive eviscerate dmg dealer.. pwns the ass off triple chop
Arkantos
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akolo
try a massive eviscerate dmg dealer.. pwns the ass off triple chop
I'll say it again.
In PvP, yes. In PvE, no.
Akolo
yo should see some of the eviscerate PvE ONLY builds i know of then :P
Arkantos
You should see the dragon slash PvE builds everyone knows of, because a dslash warrior will out damage an eviscerate warrior easily, not to mention can keep a foe knocked down indefinitely and spam save yourselves. That's why eviscerate is bad in PvE. If you want to go for single target damage, dslash is superior.
Akolo
yes im aware of that dslash owns, but i would like to say that axe and sword is not easy to compare
Arkantos
No, but the single target damage from an axe warrior and a sword warrior in PvE is quite easy to compare.
PinoyRurik
omg, cleave owns triple chop....
best warrior elite imo is battle rage. spam, sever, standing slash and final thrust for a spike..
Coloneh
Quote:
Originally Posted by PinoyRurik
omg, cleave owns triple chop....
best warrior elite imo is battle rage. spam, sever, standing slash and final thrust for a spike.. this post is so fail i love it
blue.rellik
They should change the names to 'Triple Blades' and '100 Chop'
It would actually make sense then
Esoteric Mesmer
In PvE Triple Chop deals excellent AoE damage coupled with splinter weapon. Add cyclone axe and whirlwind attack for all AoE damage with bonettis defense for energy gain
blue.rellik
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esoteric Mesmer
In PvE Triple Chop deals excellent AoE damage coupled with splinter weapon. Add cyclone axe and whirlwind attack for all AoE damage with bonettis defense for energy gain
Use a zealous weapon instead of gimping yourself like that
gurglblAt
Yes. A zealous weapon is a MUST if your going to be a Splinter Warrior. I've been running a build that it truly amazing when enemies are bunched up. Even with ony 2 enemies i can get both cyclone & triple chop off before recasting splinter. By that time Whirlwind attack is charged
 If you get low on energy just start hacking a local monster. An IAS skill can even speed up the process.Splinter will also work with Hundred blades Quite Nicely, and since whirlwind is for any weapon, a Splinter Sword warrior is Quite Viable. Sun & Moon Slash is a Good addition for Keeping your damage Up. |
