Best Hero builds for farming Secret Lair of the Snowmen?

Jagged

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

SoFla

Dangerously Incompetent (DUI)

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I really love Secret Lair, it looks like AOE heaven. Any recommendations for good Hero AOE builds that will clean out the place on HM?

Masta Panda

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

Our Ghostly Solo Caps [ズ金]

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vekk/zhed FTW! SH or SF works wonders with searing and tenais heat along with rodgorts

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

[skill]Mind Blast[/skill] + [skill]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill]

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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I just go with 3 sf heroes. Nothing special, I am myself a paragon so bringing defensive anthem, they're on fire, save yourselves etc. helps.

Basically just bring fire builds and enough defense to survive a few volleys of snowballs and your set. The snowmen will melt in seconds.

bobtheveg

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Canada - Quebec - Montreal

[SWAT] Elite Knights

E/Mo

Works quite well.

Acolyte/Zhed/Vekk

[skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill][skill]Searing Flames[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]Heal Area[/skill][skill]Karei's Healing Circle[/skill][skill]Restore Life[/skill]
Fire Magic: 12+1+3
Energy Storage: 8+1
Healing Magic: 10

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtheveg
Works quite well.

Acolyte/Zhed/Vekk

[skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill][skill]Searing Flames[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]Heal Area[/skill][skill]Karei's Healing Circle[/skill][skill]Restore Life[/skill]
Fire Magic: 12+1+3
Energy Storage: 8+1
Healing Magic: 10 Rodgorts Invoke on an SF bar?

Anyway, to the OP: R/Rt splinter barrage? just making sure you are microing it ofc.
If not, mindblast/rodgorts is the way to go

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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I am starting to think mindblast + rodgorts would be better. Better e-management and you should probably make 2 eles e/mo and bring aegis to chain manually because it's kind of easy to get spiked gown by snowballs. And yes aegis should work on snowballs because when I used a paragon with defensive anthem it blocked 50% of them.

Jagged

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

SoFla

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Thanks, i'll check these out. I was also using [skill]Winds[/skill] (Vanguard Rep, 15% miss on ranged)

EmptySkull

EmptySkull

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

KaoS League

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I use this.


[skill]Glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]Searing Flames[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]leech signet[/skill][skill]fire attunement[/skill][skill]aura of restoration[/skill][skill]mantra of frost[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

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Fire magic 12 Energy storage 10 Inspiration magic 8 (+whatever runes you have)

I'm a ele so I bring 2 more ele hero's and a healer monk hero. But you can bring 3 ele's and do whatever as a paragon and keep them alive easily.

Xylia

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Pond [pond]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptySkull
[skill]Glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]Searing Flames[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]leech signet[/skill][skill]fire attunement[/skill][skill]aura of restoration[/skill][skill]mantra of frost[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill] I would drop the glyph for another aoe damage skill, maybe [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] or [wiki]Liquid Flame[/wiki]. With the mantra, energy management isn't going to be an issue.

EmptySkull

EmptySkull

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

KaoS League

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylia
I would drop the glyph for another aoe damage skill, maybe [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] or [wiki]Liquid Flame[/wiki]. With the mantra, energy management isn't going to be an issue. Yeah you could add [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] or [wiki]Liquid Flame[/wiki] for hardmode. But in NM they go down faster than [insert funny sexual inuendo here ], so really you only need [skill=text]searing flames[/skill].

Really to make sure the hero is spamming [skill=text]searing flames[/skill] just bring:


[skill]searing flames[/skill][skill]fire attunement[/skill][skill]mantra of frost[/skill][skill]aura of restoration[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]



That is probably the best skill bar for a hero in that dungeon for NM lol.


edit: Actually thinking about it. I remember why I chose to take [wiki]glyph of lesser energy[/wiki] instead of [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] or [wiki]Liquid Flame[/wiki]. During the time it takes to cast [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] and recharge, you could cast [skill=text]searing flames[/skill] 2 times. 2 times the damage. + 2 times the length of burning. With [wiki]Liquid Flame[/wiki] it's even worse 16 total seconds for that skill I got searing flames casted 5 times in that period. And that's a whole lot more damage. So yeah I will stick with my original build for HM in my first post.

O and BTW Did anyone notice how [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] is wrong. It shows an old 15 sec recharge instead of 5 seconds?

Xylia

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Pond [pond]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptySkull
O and BTW Did anyone notice how [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] is wrong. It shows an old 15 sec recharge instead of 5 seconds? The casting time is also wrong - it is a 2s casting time, which means you can cast it while SF is recharging. From experience my heroes seem to do more damage with Rodgort's + SF than with SF alone, as long as you have some way to mitigate the energy cost.

I rarely do the run in NM anymore, but really any build with a collection of AoE skills and a little healing would work, I imagine.

Zena Starlight

Zena Starlight

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

CBE

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So should you be using 3 SF eles for NM?

angmar_nite

angmar_nite

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

[SNOW] of [YUM]

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Me SF plus 3 SF's always find ourselves overwhelmed in HM, with cynn, two monks, and herta.

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by tyla salanari
Rodgorts Invoke on an SF bar? It actually works quite well with [skill=text]Auspicious Incantation[/skill].

mage767

mage767

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

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Don't fool yourselves.

Savannah Heat + Tenai's Heat + Searing Heat + Breath of Fire + Firestorm WORKS BEST.

Why? Because Snowman hardly move under AOE. This works for HM like a charm.

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by angmar_nite
Me SF plus 3 SF's always find ourselves overwhelmed in HM, with cynn, two monks, and herta. Try bringing some party wide protection, if your going with another person defensive anthem paragon or 2 chars with aegis chain can be quite helpful. Aegis should block snowballs because I know from personal experience defensive anthem does.

You could always bring 2 e/mo mindblast+rodgorts since the energy is never an issue you could bring aegis on 2 of them.

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Savannah Heat and a few more AOE fire skills is all you need + some protection

spun ducky

spun ducky

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

WTB: q8 bows

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
Try bringing some party wide protection, if your going with another person defensive anthem paragon or 2 chars with aegis chain can be quite helpful. Aegis should block snowballs because I know from personal experience defensive anthem does.

You could always bring 2 e/mo mindblast+rodgorts since the energy is never an issue you could bring aegis on 2 of them. It is not possible to block the snowballs that matter as those are spells and of a interesting note they are non water dmg since mantra of frost will not trigger on the spell. It is also interesting that their actual wand attacks are water dmg and stormchaser does trigger on their spell attack as elemental just not as water. I haven't spent the time yet to check which element the spell attack is exactly but it could be tested easily with the mantras of X element.

Yarghetaus

Yarghetaus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

Clan Acciaio [AcO]

Sab's build too works pretty fine here

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spun ducky
It is not possible to block the snowballs that matter as those are spells and of a interesting note they are non water dmg since mantra of frost will not trigger on the spell. It is also interesting that their actual wand attacks are water dmg and stormchaser does trigger on their spell attack as elemental just not as water. I haven't spent the time yet to check which element the spell attack is exactly but it could be tested easily with the mantras of X element. Please, your not the first one to doubt me. Go try it before you say you can't block them. The snowballs are the same skills as wintersday snowball fights. In those fights you get an enchant which blocks projectiles. Thus the same mechanic works in the snowman dungeon.

So if you want a good 50% block reduction you could try aegis (unsure about aegis but know defensive anthem elite works through personal testing).

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

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Does the Ebon Vanguard skill [wiki]Winds[/wiki] block them?

Also [skill]Maelstrom[/skill] FTW

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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You could try the skill and see. The only one I have been able to confirm is defensive anthem (was quite easy just by watching all the snowballs come and health not dropping as fast).

So if someone else would like to try winds and aegis they can feel free to try.

Jagged

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

SoFla

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I tried winds and I think it works. Hard to confirm it though.