Dervish Build for torment area

gunner96

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

(WSYB)

D/E

03 Jan 2008 at 20:38 - 1

What builds do you guys use? I have searched and read a few posts. Share your knowledge.

Knockers456

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2007

Allies of The Cresent Moon

D/Rt

03 Jan 2008 at 21:02 - 2

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

03 Jan 2008 at 21:05 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knockers456

i use multiple builds but the best one for my is:
Avatar of balthaza
Lysaa attack
Chilling victory
Eternal aura
Sunspear Rebirth sig(if wiht other players)
Zealous Renewal
Mystic Regeneration
Faithful Intervention Don't listen to this fool, his build sucks.

Torment, imo isn't much harder than anywhere else. Therefore, you can just use a general PvE bar - and plenty have been posted around this section.

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

03 Jan 2008 at 21:26 - 4

I always ran heavy mysticism build. Lots of reoccurring burning. Never ran Balthzar as an avatar but I did run Lyssa and Merlandru

gunner96

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

(WSYB)

D/E

03 Jan 2008 at 21:48 - 5

Thanks, I use the Balthzar. Maybe I should try one of the other avatars.

Nyktos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Nyktos Guild [win]

03 Jan 2008 at 21:50 - 6

In general, Balthazar doesn't do much. Lyssa and Melandru are the best avatars for PvE.

Siirius Black

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Dragon's Lair

La Legion Del Dragon

03 Jan 2008 at 21:58 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyktos

In general, Balthazar doesn't do much. Lyssa and Melandru are the best avatars for PvE. This might sound like a newbie question (and it may be) but, why is Melandru and Lyssa better?

gunner96

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

(WSYB)

D/E

03 Jan 2008 at 21:58 - 8

thanks nyktos

Nyktos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Nyktos Guild [win]

03 Jan 2008 at 22:06 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siirius Black

This might sound like a newbie question (and it may be) but, why is Melandru and Lyssa better? Balthazar gives +33% speed boost and +40 armour. Now, neither of those effects is bad per se, but the thing is that speedboosts don't do much in PvE (most enemies stay in one place in NM), and that +40 armour doesn't seem as nice when you realize that it doesn't stack with the ubiquitous "Watch Yourself!" or with stances like Conviction. It also makes your damage holy, which is nice vs. Undead, but Aura of Holy Might does the same and it's an incredibly good skill.

Melandru on the other hand gives you +100 health and immunity to conditions. 100 health is no small amount, and it certainly ups your survival ability. Conditions are also present in most PvE areas, and AoM means your monk has one less person they need to remove them from.

Lyssa gives you high bonus damage vs foes activating skills. Since caster foes tend to spam like crazy, that means that you get that bonus on at least half your attacks against said caster foes. More damage = win.

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

03 Jan 2008 at 22:07 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siirius Black

This might sound like a newbie question (and it may be) but, why is Melandru and Lyssa better? Lyssa damages the Heck out of a foe if they are casting spells or anything slow Rez spells Etc..

Melandru – plus 200 HP and conditions do not affect you (awesome)
Take an -1 +15 energy off hand with you just incase you get a neg DP

Dervish Kid

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Florida

03 Jan 2008 at 23:06 - 11

using lyssa or melandru also means you must use a good strategy when in the torment area too..try not to aggro 2 groups orelse your in trouble.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

03 Jan 2008 at 23:27 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siirius Black

This might sound like a newbie question (and it may be) but, why is Melandru and Lyssa better? Because they actually do something.

Siirius Black

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Dragon's Lair

La Legion Del Dragon

03 Jan 2008 at 23:36 - 13

Thanks for the explanation!

I guess all depends on what kind of build you want to use, but I definetively
see your point about the condiitons if I take my Derv for example to kill Selve

Thanks again.

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

04 Jan 2008 at 00:23 - 14

[skill]avatar of lyssa[/skill][skill]wild blow[/skill] Take those 2 and fill in the rest of your bar with a res and other crap all you really need for PvE...

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

04 Jan 2008 at 01:05 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

[skill]avatar of lyssa[/skill][skill]wild blow[/skill] Take those 2 and fill in the rest of your bar with a res and other crap all you really need for PvE... You forgot to mention that [skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill], [skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill] and [skill]Protector's Strike[/skill] should be stapled to your lyssa bar.

Keekles

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Floating amongst the ethereal seas of placating breezes.

Like A [Boss]

Mo/

04 Jan 2008 at 01:16 - 16

My Dervish Bar:

Radiant Scythe, Eremites Attack, Zealous Sweep, Wild Blow, Distracting Strike, Avatar of Lyssa{E}, Eternal Aura, Sunspear Rebirth Signet

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

04 Jan 2008 at 01:35 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekles

My Dervish Bar:

Radiant Scythe, Eremites Attack, Zealous Sweep, Wild Blow, Distracting Strike, Avatar of Lyssa{E}, Eternal Aura, Sunspear Rebirth Signet 5 attack skills

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

04 Jan 2008 at 03:28 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

5 attack skills

Only 1 is timed yet no IAS. Fail.

My bar:

[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Wild Blow[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Avatar Of Lyssa[/skill] + Eternal Aura + Res. no AoHM? really?

Wild Blow
Eremite's attack
Mystic sweep
"I am the Strongest!" (or Rez when not using H/H)
Lyssa
Eternal Aura
HoF
AoHM

xDusT II

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Melbourne

04 Jan 2008 at 03:45 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siirius Black

This might sound like a newbie question (and it may be) but, why is Melandru and Lyssa better? Avatar of Balthazar is a collage of mediocre effects stabled together into one big mediocre elite skill. None of the effects that AoB gives you are worth gibing up your elite for and nearly all of them can be achieved with non-elite skills anyway.

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

04 Jan 2008 at 04:50 - 20

AoB should only be used in low-mid level running

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

04 Jan 2008 at 05:34 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue.rellik

AoB should only be used in low-mid level running no, it should be used never. Pious hastes is a better speed boost if you have no spell threats, and youll want VoS if spells are a threat.

Bassu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Cracow, Poland.

04 Jan 2008 at 18:57 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

no AoHM? really?

Wild Blow
Eremite's attack
Mystic sweep
"I am the Strongest!" (or Rez when not using H/H)
Lyssa
Eternal Aura
AoF
AoHM What is AoF btw? Can't recall a proper skill here :/

My Lyssa bar goes like that:
[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Heart of Fury[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill]

Rest in PvE is: Eternal Aura and AoHM
Rest in PvP is: Faithful Intervention and Watchful Intervention.

Darkside

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Chantry of Secrets

[Angl]

04 Jan 2008 at 19:35 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knockers456

i use multiple builds but the best one for my is:
Avatar of balthaza
Lysaa attack
Chilling victory
Eternal aura
Sunspear Rebirth sig(if wiht other players)
Zealous Renewal
Mystic Regeneration
Faithful Intervention Wow that's really...bad.

Try this and see how it goes.

1. Avatar of Lyssa
2. Aura of Holy Might
3. Heart of Fury
4. "I am the Strongest!"
5. Mystic Sweep
6. Eremite's Attack
7. Wild Blow
8. Optional

Go check out the Hero and AI forum and use Sab's three nec hero team along with this and you will cruise through the realm of torment like it's noob island.

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

04 Jan 2008 at 21:35 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassu

What is AoF btw? Can't recall a proper skill here :/

My Lyssa bar goes like that:
[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Heart of Fury[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill]

Rest in PvE is: Eternal Aura and AoHM
Rest in PvP is: Faithful Intervention and Watchful Intervention. heart of fury, my bad

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

04 Jan 2008 at 21:38 - 25

I used to DoA a lot and this is what I used. Seemed to work pretty well; I assume it'll work fine in other tormented areas.

Wearying Strike
Victorious Sweep
Wild Blow / Mystic Sweep
Heart of Fury
Imbue Health
Avatar of Melandru {E}
Eternal Aura
Sunspear Rebirth Signet / Death Pact Signet

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

05 Jan 2008 at 03:18 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

no, it should be used never. Pious hastes is a better speed boost if you have no spell threats, and youll want VoS if spells are a threat. What the hell are you on about? Why is Pious better for running? AoB halves damage and has a very long duration so why is Pious better?

And read my damn post, I said LOW - MID level running. Obviously Southern Shiverpeaks is not LOW - MID level

GForce9x

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/W

05 Jan 2008 at 06:59 - 27

I've used AoB running from Beacon's to Drok's plenty of times without any problems. It may not be the best or most efficient way, but it certainly gets the job done.

[skill]eternal aura[/skill][skill]avatar of balthazar[/skill][skill]"I am unstoppable!"[/skill][skill]mending[/skill][skill]remove hex[/skill][skill]watchful intervention[/skill][skill]mystic regeneration[/skill][skill]faithful intervention[/skill]

There are certainly better options for hex-heavy runs, but I've had no problems in the Southern Shiverpeaks with it. I also used to use it in HoS chest runs before they changed the way powder kegs are given out.

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

05 Jan 2008 at 09:19 - 28

Mending? Giggle.

I'd be tempted to avoid that just for the stigma it brings. At any rate, running builds are not exactly something most people need.

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

05 Jan 2008 at 09:23 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue.rellik

And read my damn post, I said LOW - MID level running. Obviously Southern Shiverpeaks is not LOW - MID level its not? what is low-mid level running then?

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

05 Jan 2008 at 12:18 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

its not? what is low-mid level running then? Well common sense works here, Southern Shiverpeaks is obviously high end. You should be able to work out the rest

odly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

05 Jan 2008 at 12:45 - 31

Avatar of lyssa is great for Torment. It'll easilly activate on creatures using call of the torment, killing them before they duplicate.

blockkiller

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

empty

D/Me

05 Jan 2008 at 13:21 - 32

why is protector strike good for, just use victorious strike, you do more damage, you get health and the recharche is 1 sec slower

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

05 Jan 2008 at 16:48 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by blockkiller

why is protector strike good for, just use victorious strike, you do more damage, you get health and the recharche is 1 sec slower I won't bother posting a link to guildwiki, but try reading the description of lyssa.

How do you attain the bonus damage? Right, now look at the activation time of protector's strike.

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

:D:D

D/W

05 Jan 2008 at 16:57 - 34

I have

Eremite attack
Mystic sweep
chilling vic
AoHM
HoF
Watchful Healing
Lyssa
Eternal aura

Dont know why, but i have to have a self heal

but just curious:

should i fit in victorious sweep?

oh yeah , weapon is Zealous Undead Scythe of Fortitude

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

05 Jan 2008 at 20:56 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Well common sense works here, Southern Shiverpeaks is obviously high end. You should be able to work out the rest if your counting southern peaks as high end then low end running (ascalon maybe?) requires no skills on your bar, i suppose you could use AoB then.

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

06 Jan 2008 at 04:54 - 36

Or places like Desert or Kourna or anywhere that isn't flooded with hexes

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

06 Jan 2008 at 05:52 - 37

I thought high end would be places like Ice dome and maybe ring of fire. dervishes cant really run there.

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

06 Jan 2008 at 10:28 - 38

Well aside from missions, the only explorable RoF area is Perdition Rock and that's not that hard as there isn't any slowing hexes. The reason why I would advocate AoB for running is because it's easily maintainable and has lots of stuff rolled into one

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

06 Jan 2008 at 11:52 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by odly

Avatar of lyssa is great for Torment. It'll easilly activate on creatures using call of the torment, killing them before they duplicate. Seconded. Especially when you have AoHM active; it utterly vandalises them.

Oh, and bring Wild Blow to deal with the Arms of Insanity too. They often use stances when they get low in HP - WB means you can kill them anyway.

Darkside

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Chantry of Secrets

[Angl]

06 Jan 2008 at 18:00 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

if your counting southern peaks as high end then low end running (ascalon maybe?) requires no skills on your bar, i suppose you could use AoB then. Oh come on now it's not THAT BAD. I used to use a AoB build to run people from LA to Sanctum Cay with no problems.