Dervish Build for torment area
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Darkside
Oh come on now it's not THAT BAD. I used to use a AoB build to run people from LA to Sanctum Cay with no problems.
I could run that with an empty skill bar
Darkside
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
I could run that with an empty skill bar
Well you do that then...
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
I could run that with an empty skill bar
Anybody who knows the run can do it with an empty skill bar. But AoB is crap compared to [skill]Pious Haste[/skill] for running. Anyway lets get back on topic.
Lyssa
Eternal Aura
eremites
protectors
mystic
rush
optional
res
For optional you could use another scythe attack. Then again I just used wounding strike+wild blow with Heart of Fury
to deal some nice damage.
Lyssa
Eternal Aura
eremites
protectors
mystic
rush
optional
res
For optional you could use another scythe attack. Then again I just used wounding strike+wild blow with Heart of Fury
to deal some nice damage.
Sirius-NZ
For optional I would say AoHM. Much of torment is vulnerable to holy.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass
Anybody who knows the run can do it with an empty skill bar. But AoB is crap compared to [skill]Pious Haste[/skill] for running. Anyway lets get back on topic.
Lyssa
Eternal Aura
eremites
protectors
mystic
rush
optional
res
For optional you could use another scythe attack. Then again I just used wounding strike+wild blow with Heart of Fury to deal some nice damage.
Why is Pious Haste better?
Lyssa
Eternal Aura
eremites
protectors
mystic
rush
optional
res
For optional you could use another scythe attack. Then again I just used wounding strike+wild blow with Heart of Fury
to deal some nice damage.
Why is Pious Haste better?
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Why is Pious Haste better?
One is non-elite, one is elite. They do the same thing. +40 armour means shit, why would a physical be hitting you?
Reducing damage from spells with AoB? Well VoS stops the completely. Gfg.
Also.. i don't see why a thread asking for a torment build turned into how good AoB runs the shiverpeaks.
Reducing damage from spells with AoB? Well VoS stops the completely. Gfg.
Also.. i don't see why a thread asking for a torment build turned into how good AoB runs the shiverpeaks.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Quote: They do the same thing. Except AoB makes you at least a bit harder to kill
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+40 armour means shit, why would a physical be hitting you?
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Charge is partywide whereas other warrior speedbuffs are yourself only. But generally, if a non-elite does the same thing then yes, that elite sucks.
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Uhhh I was talking in the context of running|
Because you have to stop every 10 seconds to renew VoS?
Which takes 1/4 sec to do? It also lasts 12 secs, what good Derv runner isn't using 20% enchant mod? Think of you having to stop for 3 seconds total every min or so using AoB and Eternal Aura. Then think everytime you get hit by a snare you're casting hex removal or condition removal. You are stopping yourself to cast enchants, too. And you think it's viable to say AoB is better than VoS because i have to stop more??? Oh dear..
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
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Which takes 1/4 sec to do? It also lasts 12 secs, what good Derv runner isn't using 20% enchant mod? Think of you having to stop for 3 seconds total every min or so using AoB and Eternal Aura. Then think everytime you get hit by a snare you're casting hex removal or condition removal. You are stopping yourself to cast enchants, too.
I wish there was a head bashing into a wall emote.
I said AoB should only be used for running . I did not say use it for Southern Shiverpeaks (VoS obviously). I did not say that it is the best dervish running skill.
Now seriously tell me this (and turn off your mind-set of AoB=insta fail in all PvE), is having +33% speed boost and halving damage while running a bad thing?
Is it necessary to use though? Of course not because as mentioned, Pious Haste can be used and armour isn't totally necessary.
BUT what's wrong with having a long lasting +33% speed boost and 1/2 damage in one skill? Seriously, just think from a neutral perspective and don't just take the easy route and say 'aob is fail lul'. When you're running and you're not in a snare heavy area (Southern Shiverpeaks), does it matter that you're devoting a elite for a good speed boost and armour? I mean you only have 8 skill slots, is it that hard to fill the rest up with skills to counter the area? Or is everyone such a AoBafobe that they simply refuse to take it anywhere even though there is something it can be useful for?
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
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blue.rellik
You're missing the whole reason why I suggested it can be used for (low level) running is because it's two skills in one.
Washi
Forgive me this offtopic but....
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Originally Posted by GForce9x
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[skill]avatar of balthazar[/skill] [skill]mending[/skill]
This is just epic. I don't care if it's for running or anything else... it's just instapwnage 
Sirius-NZ
Dan - how would you stop Pious Haste rending VoS? Or would you just recast both when it ends?
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
Dan - how would you stop Pious Haste rending VoS? Or would you just recast both when it ends?
Funnily enough i don't even use pious haste in my running build - even though it still beats AoB. But anyway, enchant mod means VoS lasts 12 secs. Pious haste lasts about the same, so just recast enchants at the same time you re-use pious haste.
Washi
edit: nvm lol, thought about a diffrent skill
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
Dan - how would you stop Pious Haste rending VoS? Or would you just recast both when it ends?
I can answer that one! I use it in my IDS farm. since they are both in myst, pious should last slightly longer than Vos, and removes an enchantment on ending. so just hit Pious->VoS when you want to renew, it should remove VoS exactly when you want.
and by the way, Blue you are just making yourself look silly. you obviously have no clue what your talking about. you might wanna just stop attempting to argue.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
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Did you even read what I said? I said AoB is [b]a option to use for running in non-high end areas'. AKA areas without Siege Ice Golems and Ice Imps on you.
That is all. Nothing else. My entire point is that Avatar of Balthazar can be used for low-level running. My point is that it isn't the best form of running, but it is a option.
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
and by the way, Blue you are just making yourself look silly. you obviously have no clue what your talking about. you might wanna just stop attempting to argue.
Sure thing Mr 'Dslash is best in PvP' and 'Melandru sucks'
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Sure thing Mr 'Dslash is best in PvP' and 'Melandru sucks'
ive never said either of those things. I have said:
Dslash is theoretically best for PvP where single target DPS is king, but blocking ang kiting put it out of commission. Melandru sucks campared to Lyssa in PvE. I would never give up the amazing damage of Lyssa for the survivability of melandru.
blue.rellik
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Dslash is theoretically best for PvP where single target DPS is king, but blocking ang kiting put it out of commission. |
You said that after everyone was laughing at you.
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Melandru sucks campared to Lyssa in PvE. I would never give up the amazing damage of Lyssa for the survivability of melandru.
Where's Mokone and Alex?
Sirius-NZ
Except, as I just got done mentioning elsewhere, in Shards of Orr.
Melandru is a godsend there. Elsewhere you probably don't need it... and I concur, Lyssa does exceptionally high damage and there is no substitute in PvE. ~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Did you even read what I said? I said AoB is [b]a option to use for running in non-high end areas'. AKA areas without Siege Ice Golems and Ice Imps on you. That is all. Nothing else. My entire point is that Avatar of Balthazar can be used for low-level running. My point is that it isn't the best form of running, but it is a option. You could bledy well run those areas using armour of earth, so was there any need to make thae AoB statement? 
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Where's Mokone and Alex?
I'm right here.
Both Mel and Lyssa pwn PvE. Lyssa is silly damage spam for C-spacing PvE, especially cruising NM doing 150 damage a swing. Mel is silly eviscerate spam for C-spacing PvE and PvP, particularly harder bits of HM where either don't want to blow up or where deepwound actually comes in handy. Everyone... Savvy?
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
You could bledy well run those areas using armour of earth, so was there any need to make thae AoB statement?
If you had looked through the entire thread then you would have saw someone suggesting AoB to which I replied that AoB should only be used for running.....
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
You said that after everyone was laughing at you.
because they didnt understand my post. people fail at reading. I had to simplify it.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
because they didnt understand my post. people fail at reading. I had to simplify it.
Which means you're still wrong, DPS is not king of PvP. Spiking is and will remain
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Which means you're still wrong, DPS is not king of PvP. Spiking is and will remain
not really. instigib spikes are stupid gimicks. sure everone has their evis->executioner's spikes, but those bring down a target that was already pressured.
gunner96
I didnt think this thread would be this long. But this is some good info on it. Thanks again.
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