Death Leveling is broke

Fitz Rinley

Fitz Rinley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Rusty Rose

W/Mo

Last night before going to bed, I pancaked 6 Charr groups. Then I pulled them to the shrine. Watched them kill my fellow Ascalonians, and again committed suicide so I could start the repeated suicide requirement for LDoA.

When I got up this morning - 4 of the individual Charr (all from the same group of casters in the 4th group pulled) had bothered to level to 15. Some of the Charr had bothered to level to 10. Most were still 8th level. Now that I have killed the 4 Charr that bothered to level I suppose I can wait to be thrown off line by ANet for being on too long while I wait for the next 3-4 to chose to level up.

The point to the idiocy is for them to level. If they are not leveling then it is broke. Since, the ones who leveled were casters and not the ones closest to me, it is not a proximity issue. In point of fact, the ones who leveled were specifically the Farthest from me. But ofcourse, none of this would be an issue if we were not supposed to be paying gate RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs for access to the enemy (How many marines are charging fellow marines for access to the Taliban?) so we can perform the repetitive totally lacking in entertainment suicide for 4-6 levels (3-6 months).

The least they can do if they insist on this stupid crap is have it work.

Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

stop whining for crap..that is in itself crap concepted and broken and requires an effort that stands in absolutely no sense to the name of the title itself

When it didn't worked..how U hoped it should.. than you simple had BAD LUCK
Broken would be. ..when death leveling WOULD NOT WORK AT ALL ANYMORE.

But I personally would call that not broken..I would call that a BUG FIX and the start of giving that title hopefully a change in its crap concept itself

my 2 cents

Fitz Rinley

Fitz Rinley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Rusty Rose

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears
stop whining for crap..that is in itself crap concepted and broken and requires an effort that stands in absolutely no sense to the name of the title itself

When it didn't worked..how U hoped it should.. than you simple had BAD LUCK
Broken would be. ..when death leveling WOULD NOT WORK AT ALL ANYMORE.

But I personally would call that not broken..I would call that a BUG FIX and the start of giving that title hopefully a change in its crap concept itself

my 2 cents
Don't confuse rage with whine. I hate this. I hate and loathe all persons that support it. This will never Ever end.

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

Thought you knew this but here it is the expirence the monsters earn is not shared they gain the exp for killing you which ever one killed you is the one that gains the exp this has been like this forever and nearly everyone knows about it when you death lvl you have to pull 2-4 mosters not 3-4 groups.

you are the idiot here not the mosters.

dark_prince2023

dark_prince2023

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

W/Mo

lol Areanet needs to fix the bug that allows them to level in the first place all it is is an explot.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

It's an annoiyng fact and I don't fully understand it.

I wake up to lvl20 Charr and some lvl8s. All of which deal damage to me and are well within the aggro bubble. There's some sort of strange coding when it comes to XP distribution.

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Originally Posted by dark_prince2023
lol Areanet needs to fix the bug that allows them to level in the first place all it is is an explot.
They did. Then they invented the LDOA title and had to reintroduce it so people could earn the title.

Shadowmoon

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

death leveling was a exploit from day 1, anet choose not to fix it and add a title for it. when messing with exploits they don't always work how you wish they would because they are a by product of many little things, not just its own code.

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley
Don't confuse rage with whine. I hate this. I hate and loathe all persons that support it. This will never Ever end.
I'm not. That is a whine.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

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Here's an example of two different levels of Charr. All of which have participated in my deaths for the same length of time.

Steboy93

Steboy93

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Feb 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] | Ex-Officer [TAM]

W/

Maybe you just didn't set it up right?

Also what is the suggestion you are making?

TaCktiX

TaCktiX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Order of Chaos Reborn [ToC]

There's actually some documentation about this on the Presearing site (www.presearing.com). Experience is shared among all creatures, but not equally. Typically, whatever group killed you first (that's how you pancake in the first place) will get 2/3 or so of the experience from your death, and all other groups will get progressively less in proportion to the number of times they killed you before the start of the DeathLevel.

From the amount of DeathLeveling I've done, I've seen two different trends. One group gets most if not all, with the other groups leveling once while the first group is sitting at Level 16 or so. The other trend is that one group gets the 2/3, and the second group gets 1/3, and the third group (if there is one) get nearly nothing.

In summary, don't pancake more than three groups, you end up spreading the XP too thin for your purposes.

Darkhell153

Darkhell153

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

right behind you

Highlander Honor Guard [HHnr]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dark_prince2023
lol Areanet needs to fix the bug that allows them to level in the first place all it is is an explot.
I agree fully with this statement and all intent behind it. Plus I'd like to add that it's an exploit that Arenanet while too lazy to fix it, instead chose to make a title that required it's use so people could exploit it even more! Good job arenanet! Good freakin job.


that be my input
*forkkrofforkkrofforkkrof*

MagmaRed

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley
Don't confuse rage with whine. I hate this. I hate and loathe all persons that support it. This will never Ever end.
Then why do it?

Fitz Rinley

Fitz Rinley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Rusty Rose

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fried Tech
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley
Don't confuse rage with whine. I hate this. I hate and loathe all persons that support it. This will never Ever end.
I'm not. That is a whine.
Well, I wasn’t aware Phoenix Tears was using two sign-ins to post, . And yes you are. There is noting plaintive, high pitched, and protracted in my statements. A whine requires all three of these conditions. For a complaint to be a whine it must be uttered in a plaintive tone. This is not the case. As I said, do not confuse rage with whine.

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley
Don't confuse rage with whine. I hate this. I hate and loathe all persons that support it. This will never Ever end.
Then why do it?
Because the title is appropriate to the persona - something I do not expect you to bother to comprehend given your previous statements.

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley
I hate this. I hate and loathe all persons that support it. This will never Ever end.
Really, that does sound like whining to me. You started something, and now you are complaining about having to finish it = whining. And since it is text , not speech, i can connect any sort of voice i like with it. Yep, sounds like a high pitched crying voice to me.

Shadow Spirit

Shadow Spirit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago

your cat eats dog food [pup]

N/E

It's a game. Games are for fun. If you hate getting this title, don't get it. If you feel you need it for your "Persona" that is your choice and you have to do it the same way others have done it before you.

If you want the title to impress people, don't bother. Titles are for your own enjoyment. No one else cares...

MagmaRed

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

If you understood the difference between a want and a need, a game and life, and/or a choice or a forced action, you'd realize you are wrong.

If I hate something, I don't do it. If I HAVE to do it, then I deal with it. Fitz, you do not HAVE to get this title, but if you CHOOSE to get this title, you have to deal with it.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed
If you understood the difference between a want and a need, a game and life, and/or a choice or a forced action, you'd realize you are wrong.

If I hate something, I don't do it. If I HAVE to do it, then I deal with it. Fitz, you do not HAVE to get this title, but if you CHOOSE to get this title, you have to deal with it.
Amen.

Why must things like this cause so much grief to people unaffected by it?

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by dark_prince2023
lol Areanet needs to fix the bug that allows them to level in the first place all it is is an explot.

It was put back in the game for a reason....

Tender Wolf

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

R/

What they should do is either get rid of the title entirely or make it so that it's easier to get. It's downright stupid how it's set up now...death leveling for months on end in starter armor with only you in the party...ridiculous.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
What they should do is either get rid of the title entirely or make it so that it's easier to get. It's downright stupid how it's set up now...death leveling for months on end in starter armor with only you in the party...ridiculous.
since it is optional and not needed for finishing the game dont do it if it is too hard to do for you.

no your complaint is rediculous but havent you started more *make it easier its too hard* threads than anybody?.....or is that someone else?

Fitz Rinley

Fitz Rinley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Rusty Rose

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fried Tech
Really, that does sound like whining to me. You started something, and now you are complaining about having to finish it = whining. And since it is text , not speech, i can connect any sort of voice i like with it. Yep, sounds like a high pitched crying voice to me.
1. You are wrong in your sequentiation. I initiated protest when Factions was released concerning not only this, but other titles that were based on a need to destroy one’s developed characters and start over because of persona and story webbing mechanics.
2. What you have chosen to do is become a liar since you have been informed otherwise. Your attempt at deception does not change my rage it only adds you to the list of enemies of what is right. However you may practice the Drug I am not deceived.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Spirit
It's a game. Games are for fun. If you hate getting this title, don't get it.
There is a difference between hating getting the title and hating the way in which we are forced to get the title.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Spirit
If you feel you need it for your "Persona" that is your choice and you have to do it the same way others have done it before you.
If you feel you want cheese then you had best do it the way others did it first. By golly, get your goatskin, fill it with milk, and walk in the hot desert sun until it curdles. Because it is damn straight nothing can be done or made better than the first way it was done.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Spirit
If you want the title to impress people, don't bother. Titles are for your own enjoyment. No one else cares...
ROFLMAO. I love this place. I get accused of being an elitest to being a communist. If I expected anyone else to care, I would expect something to actually be accomplished for what is right. I do not expect anyone else to care, hence my obligation to stand.

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
If you understood the difference between a want and a need, a game and life, and/or a choice or a forced action, you'd realize you are wrong.
If you understood the illusory fiction of your dichotomies you would abandon the false hope of separation. Nothing exists that is not also its equal and opposite. But even if that were not true, your dichotomies have no relevance. They operate on the false assumption that virtue ceases to have merit because one turns on a game, when in fact the virtuous remain so whether in game or in life.
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
If I hate something, I don't do it.
Then you will do nothing.
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
If I HAVE to do it, then I deal with it. Fitz, you do not HAVE to get this title, but if you CHOOSE to get this title, you have to deal with it.
False, a title cannot be dealt with. Neither do I have to deal with all of you, the obstacle of establishing a just and equitable system for those who now and following after will seek to attain this title - I may remain eternally in opposition.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar
since it is optional and not needed for finishing the game dont do it if it is too hard to do for you.

No, your complaint is ridiculous but haven’t you started more *make it easier its too hard* threads than anybody?.....or is that someone else?
I added about 30% toward my next level in the last 24 hours or so. I fully understand that you get them on the rez shrine and just continue to hack at the same target in between rezzes. The manner in which this is done for the length of time that it requires is exactly bullshit. A better way should have been established from the start and has been called for since nearly day one.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by dark_prince2023
lol Areanet needs to fix the bug that allows them to level in the first place all it is is an explot.
Areanet?
Also: It is the ONLY way to get LDoA.

@Fitz: What is the suggestion...? Death levelling isn't broke, it DOESN'T split the experience.

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley
There is a difference between hating getting the title and hating the way in which we are forced to get the title.
You aren't forced.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Seems like you don't like death. Here's a thing to try:

Legendary Survivor.

Or, you can moan and whine on another thread about changing LDoA to not require something as demanding as this.

But death leveling isn't broken.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Holy crap people, ANet didn't add the title out of laziness; there was a period where they did, in fact, close death leveling. But people complained, and they put it back in, with a title to recognize the people who came up with the idea of getting to 20 in pre in the first place. Disagree with it if you want to, but it's not going anywhere; it was removed and purposefully reinstated. Deal with it.

Moral55

Moral55

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

SNOW

E/Me

I agree with the above poster.

For some really odd/dumb reason people from some small core group decided to get to level 20 before there was even a title, and then others wanted to get to level 20 as well so Anet added a title for it.

Fallen Hunter

Fallen Hunter

I Saw That

Join Date: Mar 2006

The bushes

D/R

Ok, this started off as a rant and has only become worse. If you wish to report a bug, this is not the place. However, it appears to not be a bug at all - simply a misunderstanding on the OP's part. Closed.