'Grind', what you make of it. - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

idicious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Holland

LoD

P/W

09 Jan 2008 at 17:22 - 1

I've seen alot of people complaining about all the grind that a-net has put in the game. Recently I have been the Sulferous Wastes SS/LB farm to max both titles, it's repetative, mindnumbing and generally boring in itself yes. However during runs I try to get people talking a bit, hang around on vent with guildies etc. Ontop of that through the farm I have gotten to know several people who were going with me, who are now in my friends list, for example: We got talking about titles, and one person on the team needed just Eternal Grove and Raisu Palace HM for Canthan guardian. I offered my help since I had recently completed that title, and enjoyed those missions. After that we have done several Elonan HM missions together and have been having a good time.

So my point is, grind titles like ss/lb are only grind if you make it that imo, I usually enjoy myself while doing the runs, as the runs themselves I put very little thought into and have a good time chatting, talking over vent etc. I'd like to hear some other opinions on this, and how you've managed to take the gind out of the grind titles

darkdreamr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

beyond the yellow brick road

She Left With Half My [GeAr]

Me/

09 Jan 2008 at 17:26 - 2

it helps to have a television next to the monitor, and farm while you watch your favorite show.

Edge Martinez

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

NC

DKL

09 Jan 2008 at 17:33 - 3

Break it up into 2 or 3 quick run throughs a day and then do something else to offset the repetitiveness.

Alexandra-Sweet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

That one place with the trees, mountains and snow

Ember Power Mercenaries [EMP]

Me/

09 Jan 2008 at 17:43 - 4

I always get tired of it eventually, maybe if the Title related skills had some more use I might be more motivated to finish the title.

As for titles that don't have any benefit (except for being a showoff) I would rather level grind for months to become better instead of a few words under my character's name.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

09 Jan 2008 at 17:43 - 5

I'm currently vanquishing - 2 areas, then I take a break from it or switch characters. Back when I was farming LB and SS (did them separately) I did around 10k/day, while Norn I was up to "a rank a day".

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

09 Jan 2008 at 17:46 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkdreamr

it helps to have a television next to the monitor, and farm while you watch your favorite show.

this is distracting when on a monk. I did this last night while vanquishing, and the mob grew (damn minions) and then base camp'd us when we res'd. sad thing it was the last group for that zone and my h/h got 60'd because I was watching a movie.

Icey

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

09 Jan 2008 at 17:47 - 7

At first I didn't like grinding, but after playing, I like it alot now. It makes me feel better that I level as I play, it makes the game more enjoyable that the character grows as one plays. If there was no grinding, I doubt most people would continue to play for very long. I know many people that stop playing shortly after reaching max because it gets boring after that, with no real goal anymore, and is why WOW is SO much more popular than GW. Honestly, hate it or love it, grinding is the main reason those games are more popular.

Everyone likes having a growing character that gets more and more powerful the more one plays it etc.

If GW2 is made to be like WOW, it will definitely have great opportunity to even beat it. But if it is capped like the current GW, it'll get boring once people reach caps.

Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

N/

09 Jan 2008 at 17:58 - 8

Quote:

So my point is, grind titles like ss/lb are only grind if you make it that

It is what you make of it. Whether it's gold, XP, titles, whatever...there will always be a certain amount of grind. If it gets to you take a break. If you hate grinding... don't grind - but then don't complain about not having anything.

TaCktiX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Order of Chaos Reborn [ToC]

09 Jan 2008 at 18:16 - 9

I've got the same perspective of a couple of other people who've replied to this thread. I do a few runs tops a day, then do something else less mind-numbing. Before my mesmer got to the DeathLeveling point, I would do between 2-3 boss runs a day, though I ramped up toward the end.

Avai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

09 Jan 2008 at 18:44 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaCktiX

I do a few runs tops a day, then do something else less mind-numbing.

I do the same in all of my GW play. Do a mission, do some PvP, work on a title, go make dinner.

I just quoted the REAL Mori.

Torino Cowell

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

the middle of nowhere

The X Viles [ TXV]

R/

09 Jan 2008 at 18:49 - 11

to be honest title hunting isn't my thing , i generally prefer to play various professions , and have fun playing them , instead of grinding , and when i do i do a few vanqs a day or something , then do some ab , which requires considerabely less concentration

tmr819

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

W/Mo

09 Jan 2008 at 18:54 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by idicious

I've seen alot of people complaining about all the grind that a-net has put in the game. Recently I have been the Sulferous Wastes SS/LB farm to max both titles, it's repetative, mindnumbing and generally boring in itself yes....

It sounds like you make the best of a bad situation, and I applaud you for that, but the question is why does there have to be anything like this in a game in the first place?

Quote:

Originally Posted by idicious

So my point is, grind titles like ss/lb are only grind if you make it that imo, ...

No, I disagree. They are grind if they are "repetitive, mindnumbing, and generally boring". See above. The fact that you can do other things while grinding is just an indication of its mindlessness, not that it isn't grind.

Quote:

Originally Posted by idicious

I usually enjoy myself while doing the runs, as the runs themselves I put very little thought into and have a good time chatting, talking over vent etc. I'd like to hear some other opinions on this, and how you've managed to take the gind out of the grind titles

If it is something you enjoy, then it isn't grinding at all, it's "fun."

Personally, I don't consider "repetitive, mindnumbing, and generally boring" activities (your own words, mind you) to be all that enjoyable no matter how hard I try to dress it up.

Yes, I grind for rep, too, especially for LB rep because it is useful rep, but I'm afraid the "grind" is still there. Calling it by anything other than its true name, GRIND, would just be self-delusion, in my opinion. It's like calling nasty medicine "candy" to somehow make it taste better.

As I have stated in other threads, I am not wild about rep-related stuff generally, but Factions handled rep SO much better than Nightfall, in my opinion, by allowing you to get the faction you needed by working through a handful of quests rather than just random and tedious killing.

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

Legacy of Angels [Halo]

E/

09 Jan 2008 at 19:13 - 13

Grind is something I don't do very often. I might cap a few skills everyday, do a few LB runs and then move onto the fun stuff (AB, FoW, UW, CoF)

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

09 Jan 2008 at 19:19 - 14

I watch TV and Guild Chat (the most useful thing about a guild is the GC in an Explorable area) while grinding or actually doing anything when I only have heroes and Henches to talk to.

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

09 Jan 2008 at 19:23 - 15

There's no mandatory grind to speak of in the game. I know that because I've never paid any mind to titles and it's yet to negatively impact my game experience. Don't find it fun to grind? Don't. Personally I think it's the far superior way to play the game, but to each their own.

Tamuril elansar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

N/

09 Jan 2008 at 19:27 - 16

i watch movies while grinding. used to watch pirates of the carribean 3 to enjoy myself for 3 hours straight grinding, prolly gonna download saw4 to get another title maxed.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

09 Jan 2008 at 19:44 - 17

I break up the monotony by rotating between multiple titles.For example; maybe one evening I'll Vanquish an area, farm Norn rep, and do a HM mission. At the end of the day, I'll take my good loot & put it up for sale and drink away the profits!

sterbenx2

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

New England

Lunatic Legion

N/

09 Jan 2008 at 20:35 - 18

I honestly don't mind the grind at all. Its optional. Unlike other Online games, You don't HAVE to grind. I just don't like the PvE skills being linked to the titles. If theres a skill you like, you grind to make it stronger.. so why am I only lvl 20? let me go to lvl 30 and put those extra skill points into PvE only skills. PvE only skill points. hmmm. I like it.

Lord Natural

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada

Black Crescent [BC]

W/

09 Jan 2008 at 20:39 - 19

The fact that grind exists doesn't bother me at all. If someone wants to grind to a max pve title in order to make them a better pve'er, there's nothing wrong with that. What did bother me was the sunspear requirement to progress in NF, and the EOTN requirements just to buy armor and weapons. Requiring grind just to play the game or for necessities is needless and stupid.

patrona

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Belgium

none.

Me/

09 Jan 2008 at 20:44 - 20

Work on titles while i'm in the mood (not the real grinding ones), grind if i'm bored (and i'm not trading).

or some reason i've made a grind/farm-playlist =/

Keithark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Be Aggressive B E Aggressive [AGRO]

E/Me

09 Jan 2008 at 21:45 - 21

I cant speak much on the subject since I only have 12 titles maxed, but for those I farm a couple runs ss/lb, then do a mission or 2, then vanquish an area and map it, then PvP, then start over again. Makes each title come slow but is very nice when you go from 3 max titles to 8 in a weekend because you had worked them all up together

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jan 2008 at 22:17 - 22

Sometimes at work I have to use a pedestal grinder or a surface grinder, but I never grind while playing a game

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

09 Jan 2008 at 22:27 - 23

When a girl comes up to me and... oh. You didn't really mean define what I think grind is. My bad.

Meh. So long as it stays optional (no need to play 6h+/day for six months+ to hit lvl 80 or w/e to stay competitive), couldn't care less.

aaje vhanli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

09 Jan 2008 at 22:38 - 24

Grinding is a choice, made by the player, on how to play the game.

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

09 Jan 2008 at 23:06 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by !aaje vhanli

Grinding is a choice, made by a game designer, to place arbitrary hurdles in a player's path in a bid to prolong the game's life.

Fixed it for you.

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

10 Jan 2008 at 00:57 - 26

I thank the Lord that the 2008 election is coming up otherwise id have little entertainment to keep me busy while i grind. Always interesteing to see Hillary Clinton fake a tear while i grind away

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

10 Jan 2008 at 01:07 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

Fixed it for you.

My, it must be terrible for you, having Anet pointing a gun at your head forcing you to max worthless titles. I'm sure glad I'm free to simply not bother with them.

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

10 Jan 2008 at 01:11 - 28

I want the God title. I realize that to get there, I'm going to have to get through about four or five more titles that require serious grind.

I don't really mind that though, because the grind will eventually bring my character higher ranks in certain skills, which will open up the opportunity for him to try out new builds. Plus, some forms of grind might push me into areas I haven't gotten to yet, or they might actually be a part of something I enjoy.

I grind every Gamer weekend to get my title, and I enjoy having it at tier six. As long as the journey is fun and the rewards are worthwhile, I will grind.

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

10 Jan 2008 at 01:19 - 29

Now I feel like the odd one out.
is my challenging game play=your grind?
I don't think titles are mandatory in this game yet...and if it's for the pve skills you want..um..I don't think it takes too much time to play thru a few areas, to gain a high enough rank to make that certain skill effective?
I could be wrong.....

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

10 Jan 2008 at 01:26 - 30

Grind in GW..?

Not really.

Titles are optional, therefore they don't count. Farming is optional, therefore that doesn't count. The fed-ex quests in Factions are pretty dull, but they can be skipped. PvE skills are for bad people, therefore they don't count.

All the main quests are pretty straight forward.

GW lacks grind, thats why serious MMO players call it shit.

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

10 Jan 2008 at 01:28 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by idicious

I've seen alot of people complaining about all the grind that a-net has put in the game. Recently I have been the Sulferous Wastes SS/LB farm to max both titles, it's repetative, mindnumbing and generally boring in itself yes. However during runs I try to get people talking a bit, hang around on vent with guildies etc. Ontop of that through the farm I have gotten to know several people who were going with me, who are now in my friends list, for example: We got talking about titles, and one person on the team needed just Eternal Grove and Raisu Palace HM for Canthan guardian. I offered my help since I had recently completed that title, and enjoyed those missions. After that we have done several Elonan HM missions together and have been having a good time.

So my point is, grind titles like ss/lb are only grind if you make it that imo, I usually enjoy myself while doing the runs, as the runs themselves I put very little thought into and have a good time chatting, talking over vent etc. I'd like to hear some other opinions on this, and how you've managed to take the gind out of the grind titles

Go play maplestory
Talk to me about grind later

And yes grind is only grind if you make it that in GW

Except in maplestory
or other korean mmo's >.>

Biostem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

10 Jan 2008 at 01:51 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

Fixed it for you.

Really? I wonder why my characters don't *have to* grind at all, then? Maybe I'm the only person that only grinds when *I* want to...

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Kangaroo-land.

Blades of the Dingo [AUST]

10 Jan 2008 at 02:29 - 33

Guildwars is not a grind.

WoW is a grind.

Why do people think GW is a grind? xD

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

10 Jan 2008 at 03:15 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkdreamr

it helps to have a television next to the monitor, and farm while you watch your favorite show.

:\ My TV is my monitor, lol (see my Location to the left of this post).

aaje vhanli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

10 Jan 2008 at 10:28 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

Fixed it for you.

Rather not.

The player makes a choice to grind these titles or not. I have gotten a few titles while playing the game casually and I continue to do so. If the titles can only be achieved by grinding then how am I achieving titles without grinding?

Whenever I play the game, I do whatever I feel like doing that day. I don't decide to play and say "I arez going to win this titlez" but, rather, I decide to do the things I enjoy doing, which titles are achievements that simply happen to be included as a part of some of these things that I enjoy.

In fact, I go around on different characters playing with other people and simply playing the game, and I often find that I have made new title ranks without even noticing it.

Possibly the only title I ever "grind" would be the Gamer title (Skillz) because I play lots of snowball arena when it's available since it is only available for so long out of the year. But I do not grind specifically for the title, I play them frequently because I enjoy the Snowball fights and want to have fun competing in them while they are available.

If you are logging on with the sole purpose of maxing out some titles as quickly as possible, then you are making the choice to grind them. If you are complaining about grinding titles then stop grinding them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

Grind in GW..?

Not really.

Titles are optional, therefore they don't count. Farming is optional, therefore that doesn't count. The fed-ex quests in Factions are pretty dull, but they can be skipped. PvE skills are for bad people, therefore they don't count.

All the main quests are pretty straight forward.

GW lacks grind, thats why serious MMO players call it shit.

Quoted for truth.

Yang Whirlwind

~ Retired ~

Join Date: Nov 2005

Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1)

E/

10 Jan 2008 at 12:54 - 36

I have several titles in progress at the time (actually almost all of them) - a little work here a little grind there - it doesn't get too boring if you do it that way!

I also recognise the fact that all of this is something I choose to do - if I don't feel like it,- I don't do it!

Lepton CFd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Pantheon of Shadows [dei]

Mo/Me

10 Jan 2008 at 13:24 - 37

I generally switch between titles like other people said...ss/lb to vanq to guardian, etc. Or sometimes I just switch games all together and play UT3 or CSS. That works too. It also helps a lot to have a really good grinding playlist to listen to.

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

10 Jan 2008 at 15:35 - 38

Boring! Which is probably why I don't have any of the grind titles.

Ouchie

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

[Leet]

R/

10 Jan 2008 at 15:56 - 39

I took a long break this year from playing ~after maxing out 13 titles I was just toasted and wasn't having any fun anymore.

When I came back ( about a month and a half ago) I decided I would take it slow and easy ~ having fun while working on multiple titles at once with no rush to Max them all at once.

I figure a bunch will end up maxing at the same general time this way too.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

10 Jan 2008 at 17:06 - 40

It happens when developers aren't creative enough to make titles obtainable with enough skill, not time. The way they are know, who'll get max LB rank faster? Skilled Mesmer player who only has time to play 2h/day or Healing Hands Wammo 14 year old, who's skipping school and playing GW?

O, rite, it's not optional so I guess it's okay when more retarded player with more time gets it faster than a skilled player.
It's not like GW was advertised as skill > time game.