Let me first start off with why I am asking this question. Firstly, my guild is quiet, real quiet. So the majority of the time I spend in GW is either talking to my friends, or hero/henching. It gets really bored overtime, and pug isn't a good idea too.
This got me to wonder if there are any active pve only guilds around that frequently do elite missions like uw, fow, slayers or things as such. I believe they still exist, but are there many out there?
Edit: Just to avoid misunderstandings, I feel the need to clarify. I am already in a different guild as from the time of my original post. So what I said in this post DOES NOT apply to my current guild.
Good, active pve guild still exist?
kobey
Darkobra
kobey
1) I already posted an application there
2) How on earth do I know the guild is good or not or how active without being in there or getting to know it from someone in there.
Not to look for a recruitment here on this thread. But more of whether the tot of joining a good and active pve guild is futile, ie do they exist and are there many around.
2) How on earth do I know the guild is good or not or how active without being in there or getting to know it from someone in there.
Not to look for a recruitment here on this thread. But more of whether the tot of joining a good and active pve guild is futile, ie do they exist and are there many around.
quickmonty
There are active PvE guilds.
The better guilds will want to interview you. That is the time to ask any questions you have about the guild.
Last time I checked there is a listing of guilds right here on Guru, or you can check sites like Extreme 100 for guild listings.
The better guilds will want to interview you. That is the time to ask any questions you have about the guild.
Last time I checked there is a listing of guilds right here on Guru, or you can check sites like Extreme 100 for guild listings.
Darkobra
I'm not saying post an application. I'm saying do your research amongst the guilds. If you want to know how active a PVE guild is, ask the PVE guild itself.
If I was looking for a sword, I'd not be looking at the axe merchant saying "Do you know of a decent sword?"
If I was looking for a sword, I'd not be looking at the axe merchant saying "Do you know of a decent sword?"
kobey
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I'm not saying post an application. I'm saying do your research amongst the guilds. If you want to know how active a PVE guild is, ask the PVE guild itself.
If I was looking for a sword, I'd not be looking at the axe merchant saying "Do you know of a decent sword?" |
however, i am not asking how to get into a good pve guild.
I am asking if there are still good, active pve guilds around.
quickmonty answered my question. Though i don't mind more comments and thoughts from others too.
Davion
Don't just resign yourself to asking questions to players either. There is a 'selling' aspect to gaining members. If a prospective guild in question has a site...goto it. Do some inquisitive snooping, read the forums, read up on their history. Almost any guild site will keep an up to date numbering of its membership and activities if you know where to look.
I know this, because I myself am doing that search, and because I ran one for a good 3 yrs. Do your homework. And run with them in missions/quests etc previous if able. No point signing on that dotted line if you find its not the place you are looking for. Is something I always prefered of prospects in the past. It's as much them deciding as you as to whether its a good 'fit' or not.
And please refrain from the 'in-town' blind invite acceptance. It makes your search that much more frustrating; and more likely for you to not pay attention to the details you want from a prospective group.
gl to you in your search
I know this, because I myself am doing that search, and because I ran one for a good 3 yrs. Do your homework. And run with them in missions/quests etc previous if able. No point signing on that dotted line if you find its not the place you are looking for. Is something I always prefered of prospects in the past. It's as much them deciding as you as to whether its a good 'fit' or not.
And please refrain from the 'in-town' blind invite acceptance. It makes your search that much more frustrating; and more likely for you to not pay attention to the details you want from a prospective group.
gl to you in your search
shrouded^god
Most of the good...active...high end PvE guilds are established already, and are usually close knit groups. Either friends before GW, or have grown as friends while playing. Some of the people in an allianced PvE guild, I have been playing with for ~2 years now, and the most of the rest in that guild, around a year. They're an amazing bunch, a small tight knit group with an amazing knack at what they do. Being a high end guild, they spend a lot of time title grinding through, one has MGHSoRM and another with IHMLBB, and most of that form of grinding is done with H/H so, all their time isn't spent "together" often times everyone is to themself, doing their own thing. And from what Ive experienced, thats how a lot of PvE guild are, unless they're helping someone with a task or doing something organized (Uw, FoW, SE, etc)...its single player play.
Sabriel Benirus
I know that this is the same problem my husband and I were having. We wanted to get into a guild that did things together. So, after checking a couple guilds' out, and them not being what were looking for,we found this guild that we are currently in. In this guild, there is a group of about 10 or so people that are always doing things together. We try to hit a dungeon or get a mission done each night during the week, and have been going for the longer dungeons, and Elite areas on the weekends. We did FoW last weekend. We are also pretty chatty in Alliance chat, and the ocassional alliance member comes along when we get groups together, on a regular basis.
I love it, and I am always looking forward to getting on vent with everyone and see what we all want to do together for the evening.....
I love it, and I am always looking forward to getting on vent with everyone and see what we all want to do together for the evening.....
ScuZZ
Yes There are quite a few. Most are close knit friends or families that have been around awhile. My guild is one for example we are currently vanquishing Tyria doing HM missions.
Fluffiliscious
If you find a guild you might be interested, I would also ask if they have a website or their own forums. It's been my experience that the more active guilds maintain their sites pretty well and the members are pretty regular posters on their guild forums. This is probably not always the case but it might give you a look inside the guild if nothing else.
DarkGanni
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Let me first start off with why I am asking this question. Firstly, my guild is quiet, real quiet. So the majority of the time I spend in GW is either talking to my friends, or hero/henching. It gets really bored overtime, and pug isn't a good idea too.
This got me to wonder if there are any active pve only guilds around that frequently do elite missions like uw, fow, slayers or things as such. I believe they still exist, but are there many out there? |
Conclusion: They STILL exist yes just you have to find the right one, maybe I just suck at finding good guilds but took me over a month
Keep searching and never give up, you'll find it
the_jos
They do exist.
But I think most of them don't recruit very active.
I know our alliance leader is still recruiting from time to time.
And when they are full people get passed to alliance guilds.
But we and at least one other alliance guild almost only recruit friends and players we team up with.
Now how to find such a guild?
Ask friends outside your guild how their guild is. Or ask them if they know others in a decent guild.
I keep bumping into the same people from time to time when I join guildies or friends in a party, so there is a wide 'network' of friends-of-friends.
When I get word from a guildie or a friend that someone is good I would recruit him/her sooner than some random person.
Decide what you would like to do most.
Do you want to play together and as bonus get your titles done,
or do you want to get your titles done and play together as bonus?
Are elite areas most important or hard mode?
Guilds asking questions?
I don't anymore.
People that contact me or our alliance know why they contact us.
I assume they think they are good enough.
The only question I have is: "do you have any questions"?
But I think most of them don't recruit very active.
I know our alliance leader is still recruiting from time to time.
And when they are full people get passed to alliance guilds.
But we and at least one other alliance guild almost only recruit friends and players we team up with.
Now how to find such a guild?
Ask friends outside your guild how their guild is. Or ask them if they know others in a decent guild.
I keep bumping into the same people from time to time when I join guildies or friends in a party, so there is a wide 'network' of friends-of-friends.
When I get word from a guildie or a friend that someone is good I would recruit him/her sooner than some random person.
Decide what you would like to do most.
Do you want to play together and as bonus get your titles done,
or do you want to get your titles done and play together as bonus?
Are elite areas most important or hard mode?
Guilds asking questions?
I don't anymore.
People that contact me or our alliance know why they contact us.
I assume they think they are good enough.
The only question I have is: "do you have any questions"?
kel77
For everyone looking for an elite PvE guild, I invite you to check out The Arctic Marauders [TAM] website at http://tam.guildportal.com/ (there is no www). You must fill out an application that the officers will review before your acceptance into TAM; this is how we keep the quality of our members at the level we want it to be. We are currently part of the [SNOW] alliance (Luxon). I look forward to seeing some of your apps!
Thanks,
Kel
Thanks,
Kel
the_jos
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For everyone looking for an elite PvE guild, I invite you to check out The Arctic Marauders [TAM] website (snip url). You must fill out an application that the officers will review before your acceptance into TAM; this is how we keep the quality of our members at the level we want it to be. We are currently part of the [SNOW] alliance (Luxon). I look forward to seeing some of your apps!
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kobey asked: "How on earth do I know the guild is good or not or how active without being in there or getting to know it from someone in there."
How do we know that [TAM] or the [SNOW] alliance (you forgot to mention the full leader guild name, The Mirror Of Reason) are any good?
That's the real question being asked here.
A website does provide some information but not everything.
Knowing SNOW's demands on their alliance guilds does tell something. But is that information easily available to anyone?
And does not having a webpage or active forum really say anything?
Maybe people are just playing and don't have time/interest in communicating outside GW. When you talk to each other almost daily, is there a need for active site/forum usage?
As you can see, it's not that easy to determine if a guild is good or not.
It's even worse. You might get in a very active guild/alliance but don't like the people there.
There is no way of telling that before you have joined.
Would joining your guild or any other in the SNOW alliance be as much of a gamble as joining a guild spamming in LA/Kamadan/Kaineng/EotN?
That's a question I'd like an answer to
Neo Nugget
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But Kel,
kobey asked: "How on earth do I know the guild is good or not or how active without being in there or getting to know it from someone in there." How do we know that [TAM] or the [SNOW] alliance (you forgot to mention the full leader guild name, The Mirror Of Reason) are any good? |
There's a little application you gotta fill out on our website, but nothing really lengthly. Were also in the SNOW alliance, but were trying to look for another one.But yeah a lot of guilds want to get to know their members more rather than just randomly inviting, so they use applications.
Zeek Aran
SOHK alliance that I am a part of.
kel77
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But Kel,
How do we know that [TAM] or the [SNOW] alliance (you forgot to mention the full leader guild name, The Mirror Of Reason) are any good? That's the real question being asked here. A website does provide some information but not everything. Knowing SNOW's demands on their alliance guilds does tell something. But is that information easily available to anyone? And does not having a webpage or active forum really say anything? Maybe people are just playing and don't have time/interest in communicating outside GW. When you talk to each other almost daily, is there a need for active site/forum usage? Would joining your guild or any other in the SNOW alliance be as much of a gamble as joining a guild spamming in LA/Kamadan/Kaineng/EotN? That's a question I'd like an answer to |
You've made some good points, and it is true that the only way to see if you like a guild is to join. However, several factors including website/forums, applications, and reputation can give an excellent indication of the quality of the guild. If you do a little research before you blindly join some recruiter spamming in LA, you are far more likely to have positive guild experiences. As for the need for a website, I would definitely say any guild worth its salt should have one, if only for coordinating events.
PS hello neo nugget
Siirius Black
Well, I'm the leader of my GUild and let me tell you that we are more PvE than PvP. We are very active. During the weekdays we easily have abut 15 to 20 people playing, coming and going. Right now its close to 2:30 am and there are a total of 5 people incluidng me.
PvE are active and good, but as someone mentioned before is more the friendship that you create in the guild and not the guild itself.
PvE are active and good, but as someone mentioned before is more the friendship that you create in the guild and not the guild itself.
Pae
I run with an HM guild on almost a daily basis. It's a highly competent HM PvE guild that'll make anything in HM seem easier than NM. They're out there, just take your chances with PUGs/invites from an alliance member to join a PUG, and you'll get surprised every once in a while.
S_Serpent
check-out the guild on the official wiki too, there you can get already a bit more intel on some and their allied guilds and stuff and how to get in touch to find out even more.
I know my guild is up there as is our alliance leader guild(s)
or through the F10 help in gw you can quickly search for guilds.
I know my guild is up there as is our alliance leader guild(s)
or through the F10 help in gw you can quickly search for guilds.
the_jos
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First, I realize the question the OP was stating, I was simply trying to help a few of these posters find a good guild.
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But helping them find a good guild by pointing on your own and not how to recognise a good one in general does not really help those that are not interested in your guild (because they would like to join a Kurzick for example).
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1. Ingame experience with members.
Do I have good experience with them, that's ingame knowledge you only gain by playing with others a lot.
2. Reputation (when no 1 is not available)
Do others I know have good experience with them.
And why should I join that guild and not the ones they are in (there could be valid reasons, I also recommend alliance guilds or ones I know that are good when someone does not fit ours).
3. When there are several guilds you might want to join, general organisation.
That includes website, events. Also scout alliance members, since that might be important when you can't team up fast in your own guild.
4. number of active members.
It's nice to have 24 people online, but when they team with 8 and you join as no. 25 you might have a problem.
Also, when those 24 are playing HM and you mainly want to do elite areas, the guild might not be the best place to be.
Also, how active are the alliance members and in what areas.
Keep in mind that large guilds might be less personal than small ones.
Pae
Nice list, the_jos. One thing to add might also be if the guild is similarly structured to what you're used to, unless you really don't care.
boarderx
i good way to research a guild is post on their website and ask them questions, theres always guild hopping too til you find 1 u like
kel77
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I do understand that.
But helping them find a good guild by pointing on your own and not how to recognise a good one in general does not really help those that are not interested in your guild (because they would like to join a Kurzick for example). If I was looking for a guild, I would look for: 1. Ingame experience with members. Do I have good experience with them, that's ingame knowledge you only gain by playing with others a lot. 2. Reputation (when no 1 is not available) Do others I know have good experience with them. And why should I join that guild and not the ones they are in (there could be valid reasons, I also recommend alliance guilds or ones I know that are good when someone does not fit ours). 3. When there are several guilds you might want to join, general organisation. That includes website, events. Also scout alliance members, since that might be important when you can't team up fast in your own guild. 4. number of active members. It's nice to have 24 people online, but when they team with 8 and you join as no. 25 you might have a problem. Also, when those 24 are playing HM and you mainly want to do elite areas, the guild might not be the best place to be. Also, how active are the alliance members and in what areas. Keep in mind that large guilds might be less personal than small ones. |
We are currently in a Luxon alliance but are looking into other things, so don't rule us out being kurzick.
Turtle222
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Let me first start off with why I am asking this question. Firstly, my guild is quiet, real quiet. So the majority of the time I spend in GW is either talking to my friends, or hero/henching. It gets really bored overtime, and pug isn't a good idea too.
This got me to wonder if there are any active pve only guilds around that frequently do elite missions like uw, fow, slayers or things as such. I believe they still exist, but are there many out there? |
quickmonty
This is turning into a guild recruitment thread.
Perhaps it should be moved.
Perhaps it should be moved.
Quaker
Personally, I don't think it's worthwhile to join a Guild, especially if you have to leave the one you're in, unless you can spend some time with them first. Best thing would be if they use Ventrilo or Teamspeak and you can join them on some quests/missions/whatever first.
The Way Out
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Personally, I don't think it's worthwhile to join a Guild, especially if you have to leave the one you're in, unless you can spend some time with them first. Best thing would be if they use Ventrilo or Teamspeak and you can join them on some quests/missions/whatever first.
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I know a few people who get burned out by guild hopping. Also, it is hard to make friends that way.
Lastly, also ask yourself what "you" bring to whatever guild you are in or joining. I hear the "sucky guild" thing too often and wonder why people are not making their guilds better? I was in two dead guilds and helped make them better guilds before I eventually had enough friends to create guild. I suggest you pour over the forums here and visit some sites. Talk to people from guilds in game and try to revive players in your current guild. If you are the only one logging on and you are not an officer, leave your guild and type the following in Kaineng "lfg looking for active guild with 30+ active members"
I guarantee that someone picks you up.
the_jos
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I absolutely agree with Quaker. You don't really have to leave your guild and try out a million guilds. Most of my members have come from just logging onto my vent server and doing missions with us (Urgoz, UW, FOW, Hff, whatever) and they liked the community or the guild. They asked to join because they started making friends with us. That is a good way to go.
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The question on this one would be: how to meet those guilds?
Are a lot of the more wanted guilds still playing PUG from time to time or are there other ways too meet them?
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Lastly, also ask yourself what "you" bring to whatever guild you are in or joining. I hear the "sucky guild" thing too often and wonder why people are not making their guilds better? I was in two dead guilds and helped make them better guilds before I eventually had enough friends to create guild. I suggest you pour over the forums here and visit some sites. Talk to people from guilds in game and try to revive players in your current guild. If you are the only one logging on and you are not an officer, leave your guild and type the following in Kaineng "lfg looking for active guild with 30+ active members"
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But I do agree on the 'what do you bring' part.
When we recruited when HM was just introduced, we got a lot of people just wanting to 'leech' their titles and then move on to the next guild
Since we were just recovering from a split we could not always do HM and people got disappointed and left. The ones that did help out have been promoted to officer in time (some are still here, others left).
It's vital for a guild to have helpfull players around that are not only playing their own schedule.
It's one of the reasons we almost only recruit people we know.
The Way Out
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Sounds like no.1 on my list (except the vent/ts part) so I also agree on that part.
The question on this one would be: how to meet those guilds? Are a lot of the more wanted guilds still playing PUG from time to time or are there other ways too meet them? |
ValaOfTheFens
They do. But the really good ones are somewhat clannish and probably snobby elitists. It takes alot of time to make a guild good and most of the time people don't appretiate it. I can guarantee you that even in a "good" PvE guild that 90% of the people online will be H+Hing or soloing everything they can.
Typical Guild conversation:
Guildie 1: Hey, anyone want to do some Vanquishing or HM missions?
Guildie 2: Can't doing Slaver's right now.
Guildie 3: I'm farming right now. I need money for [insert hot item here]. Sorry.
Guildie 4: I gotta empty out my storage. Can't leave LA until everything is gone.
Guildie 5: Wats HM?
Guildie 6: Just H+H it dude.
Typical Guild conversation:
Guildie 1: Hey, anyone want to do some Vanquishing or HM missions?
Guildie 2: Can't doing Slaver's right now.
Guildie 3: I'm farming right now. I need money for [insert hot item here]. Sorry.
Guildie 4: I gotta empty out my storage. Can't leave LA until everything is gone.
Guildie 5: Wats HM?
Guildie 6: Just H+H it dude.
kobey
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They do. But the really good ones are somewhat clannish and probably snobby elitists. It takes alot of time to make a guild good and most of the time people don't appretiate it. I can guarantee you that even in a "good" PvE guild that 90% of the people online will be H+Hing or soloing everything they can.
Typical Guild conversation: Guildie 1: Hey, anyone want to do some Vanquishing or HM missions? Guildie 2: Can't doing Slaver's right now. Guildie 3: I'm farming right now. I need money for [insert hot item here]. Sorry. Guildie 4: I gotta empty out my storage. Can't leave LA until everything is gone. Guildie 5: Wats HM? Guildie 6: Just H+H it dude. |
Me (In Guild Hall): Anyone up for anything? UW, FOW anything?
Guidlie 1: ...
Guildie 2: ... ...
Guildie 3: .. .. .. ..
Guildie 4: ... ... ... ...
You get the idea
the_jos
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My current guild is a bit different.
Me (In Guild Hall): Anyone up for anything? UW, FOW anything? Guidlie 1: ... Guildie 2: ... ... Guildie 3: .. .. .. .. Guildie 4: ... ... ... ... You get the idea |
But there were several surgestions on how to check if a guild might be a decent one.
Some even offered a spot at their guild, others just pointed at the recruitment forum here on guru.
I'd say check some out and decide if it's worth to leave your current guild.
For what my opinion is worth, I think you could check out Kel's guild.
I know the requirements of SNOW for alliance guilds and part of it is a minimal number of active members. So you won't get in a dead guild there.
ValaOfTheFens
These days the number of big guilds is on the decrease but there are alot of big alliances around. My alliance has 8 guilds that have a median of 10 members each and people are always doing something. You just gotta find an active alliance cuz an active alliance is generally worth its weight in ectos.
the_jos
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I've seen several mergers of guilds in the last half year.
Most of the time when a couple of key members decided to quit GW (or the guild).
As guild leader it's key to recognise this early and make plans to replace them.
Recently I lost two very good officers but I already knew that was going to happen so I already made my mind up for new promotions.
When they left and some other officers were demoted for inactivity, I had to ask around a bit to find out if my thoughts were right.
Also, whenever I want to quit being the GL or when I become less active, I have already at least two people in my head that could replace me if they feel up to it.
A good alliance is indeed worth a lot.
However, make sure they fit what you are looking for, both as guild and as individual member.
We have tried some alliances in the past and only one has proven to be worth it. Our current one, we have been in alliance with them before.
Call it elitism, but if half the guild complains that the other alliance guilds are bad, something is wrong.
I do get some 'complaints' from time to time, but our alliance shares about the same goals as we do but some guilds just have less experienced players.
Learn to know the players and team up with those you think are good enough or willing to learn. Don't expect everything to go right the first or second time.
Also, don't underestimate a player with a initial bad build, unless he's not willing to change that build and can't prove the build is worth playing.
Yesterday I gave a guildie a sword and shield, because he plays W/R with bow and pet most of the time. And that's not going to work in a vanquish in a 6 person area with 5 human players. Don't know why he did not start a ranger, but that's something else
I still need to talk to him about having 'For Great Justice' on his bar without adrenaline skills though.
It all turned out ok, no need for consumables, vanquished 2 areas with the team.
Those things are only possible with people that are not to 'elite'.
I know some guildies would not have accepted our warrior. I like giving people the chance to learn.
tasha
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Call it elitism, but if half the guild complains that the other alliance guilds are bad, something is wrong.
I do get some 'complaints' from time to time, but our alliance shares about the same goals as we do but some guilds just have less experienced players. Learn to know the players and team up with those you think are good enough or willing to learn. Don't expect everything to go right the first or second time. <snip> I know some guildies would not have accepted our warrior. I like giving people the chance to learn. |
To the OP: Yes active PvE guilds still exist. There's quite a few of us in fact
The best way of finding them is here, other fan forums, the wiki and pugging. Find out their recruitment process, their events if any, what they like doing, what their favourite cookies are (maybe thats just a [MYST] thing ), contact the leader and maybe an officer or two. Ask to group with them as part of your recruitment process - these should be as much about making sure the guild is right for you as you are for the guild imo. Decide what you want specifically and then start the long search for your right home. Good Luck!
Cats
Try searching GotW. I believe only more of the more active guilds are featured there.
Arzu
There have been a lot of people here who have made some really good points, and given valuable advice. I'd also add that the community is part of what makes a PvE guild good. You can tell a lot about a guild from the way their members interact with each other. Some guilds are all business, whereas others are more relaxed. Sometimes this is hard to gauge right away, but when I'm recruiting for my guild I usually spend a minimum of a week letting the potential recruit go out on missions and quests with guild members. This is more for their benefit than for ours, because they get to be a part of different guild teams, and get a feel for my guild's quirky sense of humour, and see how my guild members socialize together. Even if a PvE guild is really small, if they have a community where everyone loves spending time together, they can rival giant guilds for how effective they are. Granted, this community can be expressed in a number of different ways, so the key is finding the one that most fits with your attitude and playstyle.
frickaline
If you are a good PvE guild, you have people asking to join all the time, so they will almost never recruit. And if you ask to join them, they will usually either say 'no' flat out or tell you they need to get to know you better.
Any PvE guild that just lets in everyone off the street will not be a decent guild for long unless they have a very active group of fast-kicking officers, which doesn't usually promote a good team building environment. Personally I'd never join a guild that would take me in randomly because I'd know they'd let in anyone then.
Any PvE guild that just lets in everyone off the street will not be a decent guild for long unless they have a very active group of fast-kicking officers, which doesn't usually promote a good team building environment. Personally I'd never join a guild that would take me in randomly because I'd know they'd let in anyone then.