It's a bug. A bug is something that does not do what the designer/dev intended. Thus it is also subjective. Sorry to say, but if ANet says this isn't how it's supposed to work, then it's a bug (I work in software and I see this *every day*). There is no changing the fact that ANet determines bug or no bug.
I also realize that makes it hard on everyone as they don't have access to design specs and dev docs and test plans and the whole 9 yards to know every thing that's allowable, but there comes a point where we have to have a little bit of common sense and think for ourselves.
Providing absolute proof of the hacking would mean potentially dragging out the how of the hack here - that is a MASSIVE security risk and opens ANet up for a lot of people to try stuff like it. It is outright not possible to provide that kind of proof without compromising every user - it's bad enough that some speculation is being tossed around here on possibilities (but at least there's no actual steps). Knowledge is power and that kind of knowledge could have very bad effects farther down the line. There comes a point where proof for a few people risks damaging the good of the whole, and that's just not a scenario that ANet will want to let play out (and with good reason).
FeroxC does make a good point though - the hacker would be the first guy in the log. But no one is going to release that information to us; that's just poor form.
[Dev Update] Exploits and Bans – 10 January 2008
ElinoraNeSangre
Mickey
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i cant see ANET lying, i think if they "tought" it was a hack then they would have stated that. the only argument being that the GH trick has been fixed so therefore it cannot be tested. bare in mind that anet only tried to solve this after the GH trick was fixed. if they claikm it was a hack im leaning towards anet, lets face it, their whole tech support knows a lot more than any of us.
BUT and this is important... the GH excuse was extremely believable, especially to those who have no experience with this GH trick as they didnt know the ins and outs of it |
high priestess anya
then that makes me think...if you got to the bugged area by resigning...why wasnt it more well known? im sure maybe people have gone to mallyx and resigned because someone didnt load or brought the wrong skill bar, this happens a lot and im sure if you could get to mallyx bugged area by resigning it would have been extremely well known amongst all doa players
on this fact im tending to lean towards the possibility of a hack..
and if it is a hack then imo most of the ferriers possibly used this hack themselves, based on the fact that these guys claim to access the area by exploiting the GH trick. Or one of the hackers gave the area to a char who resided in the bugged area for all time as a gate way.people who claim to be ferriers who could access all other areas of the game AND return back to bugged area imo are hackers...but i may be wrong
hard to explain but if you think about it you will see where i come from
on this fact im tending to lean towards the possibility of a hack..
and if it is a hack then imo most of the ferriers possibly used this hack themselves, based on the fact that these guys claim to access the area by exploiting the GH trick. Or one of the hackers gave the area to a char who resided in the bugged area for all time as a gate way.people who claim to be ferriers who could access all other areas of the game AND return back to bugged area imo are hackers...but i may be wrong
hard to explain but if you think about it you will see where i come from
Mickey
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then that makes me think...if you got to the bugged area by resigning...why wasnt it more well known? im sure maybe people have gone to mallyx and resigned because someone didnt load or brought the wrong skill bar, this happens a lot and im sure if you could get to mallyx bugged area by resigning it would have been extremely well known amongst all doa players
on this fact im tending to lean towards the possibility of a hack.. and if it is a hack then imo most of the ferriers possibly used this hack themselves, based on the fact that these guys claim to access the area by exploiting the GH trick. Or one of the hackers gave the area to a char who resided in the bugged area for all time as a gate way.people who claim to be ferriers who could access all other areas of the game AND return back to bugged area imo are hackers...but i may be wrong hard to explain but if you think about it you will see where i come from |
FeroxC
115 is a tiny amount of people considering the games player base so the "every1 was doing it" excuse doesn't work. Looks like some of you guys were just hanging out with the wrong crowd but peer pressure isn't an excuse .
high priestess anya
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I would guess because most people didn't go /resign then map to the Guild Hall. I think it was just a bug for a short time. /resign, then go to Guild Hall, alone, and then leave iirc.
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and according the people explaining the process of how to get there, it didnt involve any trips to mallyx and resigning to activate the gh trick
imo its becoming more clearer that more than one hacker is involved
whoever ferried people is most likely a hacker
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no to my knowledge you cant access it by map travel, the only means of permanent access is to have a permanent resident in the bugged area, which they cant have permanent access as they need to renew the quest, which means they must leave. once left they would "according to gh trick" go to mallyx, resign then they have the access once again. i find this hard to believe.
and according the people explaining the process of how to get there, it didnt involve any trips to mallyx and resigning to activate the gh trick imo its becoming more clearer that more than one hacker is involved |
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I never saw anyone in general say nah, cause I might get banned. They went full throttle into it.
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This thread gets better and better...
I'd also like to ask if you'd all jump of a bridge if your friends did it? One with water under it, so you might not hit the rocks but just the water...which could still kill you but you might make it out alive...and in case you survived, you'd jump again.
Because that's exactly what you did with your accounts. And a few days ago, they hit the rocks.
high priestess anya
mickey read my last thread and explain how that is possible given what i stated AND if im wrong about my conclusion then please point out where
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mickey read my last thread and explain how that is possible given what i stated AND if im wrong about my conclusion then please point out where
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I farmed 7 times in 2 hours one night. I left the outpost, I never went back.
All it takes is one tainted cookie.
Commander Ryker
If you guys cannot offer anything new to this discussion, then please do not post. It will be deleted.
Sawamura
The reason this all started was by one person only .. He invited his friends to do it, they invited theirs, yada yada yada .. The so called so reason to ban them for hacking the GW Client is pure BS imho .. The only one who should be permabanned is that guy who hacked the client and spread the entire thing. He couldn't kill Mallyx on his own, so he had to take a few friends, they were a few friends short when some were AFK/Offline, so they grabbed some other guys. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Besides, you can't say they didn't act as a community ;-) They shared & played together 
Sure they did violate something by using the exploit, but is that really worth a perma ban ? I suggest Anet starts doing something about the botties & moneyspammers
Free the 116 !! PermaBan the other guy !!
Just my 2 cents ..
Sure they did violate something by using the exploit, but is that really worth a perma ban ? I suggest Anet starts doing something about the botties & moneyspammers
Free the 116 !! PermaBan the other guy !!
Just my 2 cents ..
lacasner
Haha, or actually better yet make them unbanned but allow them to only sit in that barren special mallyx outpost with no way to escape, and all they can do is keep killing mallyx without getting one drop of loot.
Karma would be a bitch :P
Karma would be a bitch :P
w00t!
Since most people posting here seem unable or unwilling to differentiate, here's a couple of definitions from wiki:
...an exploit is usually a software bug, hack or bot that contributes to the user's prosperity in a manner not intended by the developers.
What is or is not considered an exploit varies between games and developers.
A Hack is usually a technique used to subvert, misuse or subtly change a program, gadget or mechanism in such a way as to change, or add to, its functionality.
A software bug (or just "bug") is an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program that prevents it from behaving as intended (e.g., producing an incorrect result).
It seems that Anet is willing to overlook people who have profited from bugs, as long as they have not unreasonably exploited them (i.e. Duncan).
Hacks are another matter altogether, which seemingly results in insti-bans (i.e. Mallyx).
If you want to better understand why Anet will not create absolute rules in their EULA, I would suggest you study Tort Law, or at least the "Reasonable Person" theory. It also may give some of those who were banned a glimmer of hope, as stated by Gaile (some people who only did Mallyx a couple times may be reinstated, if it can be proven that they reasonably expected that it was a normal part of gamplay that they weren't previously aware of - I'd call it: The Duncan Defense).
...an exploit is usually a software bug, hack or bot that contributes to the user's prosperity in a manner not intended by the developers.
What is or is not considered an exploit varies between games and developers.
A Hack is usually a technique used to subvert, misuse or subtly change a program, gadget or mechanism in such a way as to change, or add to, its functionality.
A software bug (or just "bug") is an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program that prevents it from behaving as intended (e.g., producing an incorrect result).
It seems that Anet is willing to overlook people who have profited from bugs, as long as they have not unreasonably exploited them (i.e. Duncan).
Hacks are another matter altogether, which seemingly results in insti-bans (i.e. Mallyx).
If you want to better understand why Anet will not create absolute rules in their EULA, I would suggest you study Tort Law, or at least the "Reasonable Person" theory. It also may give some of those who were banned a glimmer of hope, as stated by Gaile (some people who only did Mallyx a couple times may be reinstated, if it can be proven that they reasonably expected that it was a normal part of gamplay that they weren't previously aware of - I'd call it: The Duncan Defense).
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If you guys cannot offer anything new to this discussion, then please do not post. It will be deleted.
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Anet was made aware of this type of bug more than 6 months ago. And returned with the reply that it was impossible to do and that no further investigation would be done on the matter.
high priestess anya
until someone can rubbish my theory, which i doubt they can, then we should all start thinking towards potential multiple hackers..
here it is a again:
then that makes me think...if you got to the bugged area by resigning...why wasnt it more well known? im sure maybe people have gone to mallyx and resigned because someone didnt load or brought the wrong skill bar, this happens a lot and im sure if you could get to mallyx bugged area by resigning it would have been extremely well known amongst all doa players
on this fact im tending to lean towards the possibility of a hack..
and if it is a hack then imo most of the ferriers possibly used this hack themselves, based on the fact that these guys claim to access the area by exploiting the GH trick. Or one of the hackers gave the area to a char who resided in the bugged area for all time as a gate way.people who claim to be ferriers who could access all other areas of the game AND return back to bugged area imo are hackers...but i may be wrong
imo to be a ferry you must reside there all the time or lose access to the affected area...these ferriers had to renew quest therefore leaving the bugged area. how did they regain access?
i will repeatedly delete this post and add it to the last page until someone can rubbish this theory.
here it is a again:
then that makes me think...if you got to the bugged area by resigning...why wasnt it more well known? im sure maybe people have gone to mallyx and resigned because someone didnt load or brought the wrong skill bar, this happens a lot and im sure if you could get to mallyx bugged area by resigning it would have been extremely well known amongst all doa players
on this fact im tending to lean towards the possibility of a hack..
and if it is a hack then imo most of the ferriers possibly used this hack themselves, based on the fact that these guys claim to access the area by exploiting the GH trick. Or one of the hackers gave the area to a char who resided in the bugged area for all time as a gate way.people who claim to be ferriers who could access all other areas of the game AND return back to bugged area imo are hackers...but i may be wrong
imo to be a ferry you must reside there all the time or lose access to the affected area...these ferriers had to renew quest therefore leaving the bugged area. how did they regain access?
i will repeatedly delete this post and add it to the last page until someone can rubbish this theory.
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Would this be considered adding something new to the discussion?
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high priestess anya
no one can pass comments or criticism to my last post and if i am right and havent missed anything..then we are definately dealing with a big number of hackers
my request went through fine. i was told that my ban was not to be removed but i told them to look at other areas which will prove my innocence. i will keep you posted on all details of my account status so that you all know what to expect
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Anet only took it seriously when somebody posted the details on guru. In the same token, we are posting on here.. so they will take us seriously. Gaile asked us to report bugs using the official support ticket system. People that did, got that kind of "you've been brushed off" response. So what can they expect? If we are not listened to through the official system.. then maybe they will listen on the community site.
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However, I think its unfair to tag the entire Guild as shady, when after research (my own, Ive been asking around a lot), those that did commit the sin, usually kept it very quiet and to themselves. The Guilds involved, in the main, appear to be very humble about ANY implication caused by any of their members that transgressed.
One or two maybe should have picked up clues sooner (due to their experience of the game as a whole) but ultimately it was an individual choice to take part in the exploit.
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imo to be a ferry you must reside there all the time or lose access to the affected area...these ferriers had to renew quest therefore leaving the bugged area. how did they regain access?
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The ferrier needn't stay the same person 1 ferrier can take 7 people to the outpost then ask one of those 7 to act as a ferrier for them when they go to get the quest. Anyone who gets to the outpost can become a ferrier thusly only one person needs to reach the outpost without a ferry(hacker?) for all 117 to make it in. That is my understanding of how it works at least.
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EDIT: but still....how does someone form a team in DOA, map to GH then map to the bugged area without changing char or leaving party? Then they go straight into mallyx...
can anyone explain this?
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I have absolutely NO experience with getting into the outpost besides be ferried. And no Jackass, I didn't recruit people to come with us. I was talking about the people that recruited me.....they asked people that they knew to come, no one said no thank you.
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EDIT: and im sorry i didnt see your explanation. if you can quote it for me that would be or tell me page number because im buggered if im searching the whole thread lol
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? how can you say this then that on your last post?
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1 Run = Killing Mallyx 1 Time and Getting the Reward 1 Time
3 Visits =....bah, I'm not even going to explain, scroll through the last two pages.
Originally Posted by Mickey
Well, 1. Complete all areas first 2. Either A. Go to Guild Hall and get Ferried or B. Resign then go to Guild Hall and get to outpost (not confirmed, friend told me then leprekan said it here 3. Kill Mallyx 4. Get reward inside the mission 5. Ferrier goes to the guild hall 6. Other party members get quest 7. Go to Guild Hall 8. Ferrier takes you to the outpost 9. Ferrier gets quest 10. People go back to guild hall, to pick up the ferrier 11. Back to outpost 12. Repeat.
3 times per run. And if Anet is running their bans off "profit" rather than "times accessed outpost" we will be seeing alot of unbans next week.
When my friend told me that you could access it via resign, I immediately thought, "oh, so you can just try again." I hadn't been to Zellix or w/e his name again except for the quest reward/quest.
Btw, congrats Anya, I hope you get your account back. Even the hope of getting an account back right now is good enough for a congrats.
high priestess anya
ok so one person stays in the outpost or gh with last known place is the outpost...then these people swap over to hold command post.ok sounds logical but still doesnt rule out potential multi-hackers...
i am undecided.
i cant remember to clearly whether the ferrier took us straight to outpost without swapping char etc if i could i would be able to rule out the multi hacker theory
i am undecided.
i cant remember to clearly whether the ferrier took us straight to outpost without swapping char etc if i could i would be able to rule out the multi hacker theory
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ok so one person stays in the outpost or gh with last known place is the outpost...then these people swap over to hold command post.ok sounds logical but still doesnt rule out potential multi-hackers...
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But you seem to be confused: The issue isn't about just the hacking, although that is a major concern. The issue is whether someone exploited the game. That is why people who were ferried, and did not actually perform the hack, were also banned. Going to a hidden outpost, cutting off about 80% of a mission, and farming an end-boss in minutes -- when it normally takes a couple of hours to reach him in normal play -- is exploiting the game. And that is against the User Agreement.
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To them, the hacker/s and those that repeatedly abused the exploit ( as in MORE than 4 times) will be permanently banned. Even if all you did was visit the post to be with your friends. Lesson to be learned... Next time, party in your Guild Hall.
Frankly I would hate to be in any of your shoes, but I make every effort not to do anything I am not supposed to do.
I find it very sad that some very recognizable guilds are involved in this. They should've done something if they saw their members talking about this in Guild or Alliance Chat. Look at Arwen, even though IF he is telling the truth he might be one of those to get off, the very second his guild found out he/she was associated with a hack, he was banned from all contact as well. Kinda harsh without at least talking to him first, but I'm guessing these guys wanted to protect their Guild Name.
There is very few here I feel any sympathy for, and it's those who barely went in there. The rest... there is just no excuse, peer pressure, I didn't know, I thought it was just a ferry.... they cheated and GW will be a better place without them.
I also hope that ANET does not stop here, and continues to dig and ban the other 300+ players involved in this mess, as Gaile said they would. Hopefully this will send a very clear message to everybody about what can happen if you cheat. Remember, this went on for 5-6 months, these 117 are just the tip of the iceberg.
Tickle
I outlined what happened in my case on page #86 of this thread (originally page #92, I guess the mods are weeding out all the inappropriate posts that do not relate to this topic (5 edits later due to the amount of posts deleted (might end up on page #70 the way these posts are getting deleted))), I've since received an email from NCsoft in regards to the ticket I submitted that states..
After reviewing your game logs, it is clear you were aware of and participated in the Mallyx exploit. Due to the sever nature of this exploit, the account is terminated and will not be reinstated.
Protests regarding the termination of your Guild Wars game account will not be addressed or entertained. We will not accept appeals in cases such as this because of the depth of the analysis prior to the block. We regret the necessity of terminating any game account, but we will continue to take all necessary actions to protect the Guild Wars community and to assure that players are abiding by our User Agreement.
Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team
I hope in future that ANet GM's will read the logs properly and ban accordingly through indepth analysis instead of being over zealous and banning without recourse.
I have always maintained my innocence over this as I have never profited from this area nor did I ferry anyone. ANet only sees me going back to this area via making room in my storage chest after changing characters.
I have asked to review the logs myself but I don't think ANet will release them to me. I'm not asking to be reinstated I'm just asking to view the history logs of my account.
To the others that got banned I wish you luck with your tickets, To those that have come to this post to flame I hope you get a life soon as your really poking your nose in where it doesn't belong.
After reviewing your game logs, it is clear you were aware of and participated in the Mallyx exploit. Due to the sever nature of this exploit, the account is terminated and will not be reinstated.
Protests regarding the termination of your Guild Wars game account will not be addressed or entertained. We will not accept appeals in cases such as this because of the depth of the analysis prior to the block. We regret the necessity of terminating any game account, but we will continue to take all necessary actions to protect the Guild Wars community and to assure that players are abiding by our User Agreement.
Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team
I hope in future that ANet GM's will read the logs properly and ban accordingly through indepth analysis instead of being over zealous and banning without recourse.
I have always maintained my innocence over this as I have never profited from this area nor did I ferry anyone. ANet only sees me going back to this area via making room in my storage chest after changing characters.
I have asked to review the logs myself but I don't think ANet will release them to me. I'm not asking to be reinstated I'm just asking to view the history logs of my account.
To the others that got banned I wish you luck with your tickets, To those that have come to this post to flame I hope you get a life soon as your really poking your nose in where it doesn't belong.
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ok so one person stays in the outpost or gh with last known place is the outpost...then these people swap over to hold command post.ok sounds logical but still doesnt rule out potential multi-hackers...
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It has been listed clearly how to become a ferry to Mallyx. NO hacking was involved. Same step by step guide was sent to Gaile at her request. It DID work with ZERO hacking of ANYTHING and not one third party ANYTHING. If you were in a party that didn't do it as a ferry then you may have the answer as to why you were banned as well. Explore all you want how your group got there without a ferry .. but the rest of us were in a ferry. Feel free to view all posts by me .. I already showed step by step how it was done.
We do agree on the friend thing at least. I wound up going because part of the regular UW clear group was always too busy to come to UW. Eventually I joined them in DOA and brought my nephew on that same day (he was banned for farming it for one day). I had not been to DOA for 6 months or more because it was boring and I didn't need the money. Had legitimate stacks of ecto in storage that had been there for YEARS. Please do not act like ALL were there out of greed. When not working on titles I farmed with friends for fun not for greed. Even the most prolific farmer would NEVER have put a dent in the economy. Duncan was actually 10 times more profitable because at the time the greens were worth 100k + and took same amount of time to farm. Not to mention that chest dropped onyx that was easy to sell to an NPC.
I continue to post on this topic because of my nephew being banned. I would NEVER have allowed him or myself ( my account had 9000 + hours and almost max koabd) to enter into something I thought was a bannable offense. He went because of me if they want to ban on poor judgement leave me banned lift his he truely had NO idea this was anything more than a ferry aka duncanish. Sadly he is the proof on why I didn't think it was a ban offense.
maraxusofk
i strongly advise those who had their accounts banned to try logging into guild wars occasionally. this has happened before to people i know after they have been perma banned. if support feels u are wrongly banned, they will fix the ban. do not give up.
DivineEnvoy
So far, although many people have shared their ways how this exploit is abused, it is believed that Anet has tested them, and they do not work, there's really only one person who is trying to prove that it does not need a hack in getting this ferry. Of course, it is the weekend, where the office of Anet is empty; we have to wait to see whether this is true, and whether it will help any of the 117 people in this case.
What most posts represent are really the five stages of grief as some people have already point out; however, these points are all ignored.
First stage is denial, in which many people would still argue that this is only part of the game, and what they did was justified, as well as the fact they did not abuse this exploit enough to deserve the punishment.
Second stage is anger, which people started to flaming the community and Anet, and even going as far as saying they're going to play WoW.
Third stage is bargaining, which people are now asking for a lighter sentence, to which they can still keep their accounts.
Fourth stage is depression, which people are becoming depressed to the loss of their characters.
And the final stage is acceptance, which people accept the fact and move on.
It appears that people are moving in vary velocities within these stages, and thus we would see different reactions from each stages around a similar time. My point is, the first four stages will not help the situation, but if you really have a good argument to change the situation, post ahead.
What most posts represent are really the five stages of grief as some people have already point out; however, these points are all ignored.
First stage is denial, in which many people would still argue that this is only part of the game, and what they did was justified, as well as the fact they did not abuse this exploit enough to deserve the punishment.
Second stage is anger, which people started to flaming the community and Anet, and even going as far as saying they're going to play WoW.
Third stage is bargaining, which people are now asking for a lighter sentence, to which they can still keep their accounts.
Fourth stage is depression, which people are becoming depressed to the loss of their characters.
And the final stage is acceptance, which people accept the fact and move on.
It appears that people are moving in vary velocities within these stages, and thus we would see different reactions from each stages around a similar time. My point is, the first four stages will not help the situation, but if you really have a good argument to change the situation, post ahead.
high priestess anya
i also did not profit from this exploit but yet they have still told me i have exploited it 18 times..i only entered the mission once from the forbidden outpost and during that i left mid battle.its clear the investigation is not thorough enough but lets hope they delve a little deeper for the sake of justice. like i said earlier i care nothing for my account but i want justice done and an apology although i can see why i have been banned as it gives them a chance to review the whole situation although i cannot condone the lack of competence thus far.
here is their response to my ticket:
Thank you very much for contacting the PlayNC Customer Support Team.
After investigating the reported issue, we can confirm that your account has rightfully been suspended from our service as a result of a violation of our rules that you agreed to when you first launched Guild Wars. Specifically, your account was suspended for:
- Exploiting
The details of this incident are on record and we can confirm that you exploited 18 times. We will not remove the suspension from your account.
....to my knowledge it was more like 3 or 4 times i went to the bugged area and only once entered the mission...lol wtf
18 times...incompetence thus far.
i await a deeper investigation and will keep you guys posted
here is their response to my ticket:
Thank you very much for contacting the PlayNC Customer Support Team.
After investigating the reported issue, we can confirm that your account has rightfully been suspended from our service as a result of a violation of our rules that you agreed to when you first launched Guild Wars. Specifically, your account was suspended for:
- Exploiting
The details of this incident are on record and we can confirm that you exploited 18 times. We will not remove the suspension from your account.
....to my knowledge it was more like 3 or 4 times i went to the bugged area and only once entered the mission...lol wtf
18 times...incompetence thus far.
i await a deeper investigation and will keep you guys posted
Molock
This thread is still going huh.. I wonder if all those who used the exploit and are now banned ever read this
Look at number 19 specifically
Look at number 19 specifically
high priestess anya
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This thread is still going huh.. I wonder if all those who used the exploit and are now banned ever read this
Look at number 19 specifically |
Mickey
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This thread is still going huh.. I wonder if all those who used the exploit and are now banned ever read this
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2. If it says that, why isn't the only person banned the first person who found out, and didn't report it?
3. Unless it explicitly says in the User Agreement that all users must comply with the rules on the site...and those rules are subject to change, then that has no meaning, and therefore, Anet made a boo boo.
Edit: It says that you must comply with the Rules of Conduct, so yeah, they made no boo boo, lol.
The rules seem rigid, however, because this "bug" was reported in November 2007, Anet really made a bad mistake there, on their part.
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Why does this Thread keep getting smaller ? XD
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Tbh, Anet needs to:
A. Release an official statement on this, making public their mistake of not fixing this when it should have been fixed, and B. Telling us if there was a hack involved, because as far as I know, the groups I farmed with had nothing to do with a hack, as Leprekan pointed out.
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Because Inde keeps deleting one liners, like the one you just posted.
Tbh, Anet needs to: A. Release an official statement on this, making public their mistake of not fixing this when it should have been fixed, and B. Telling us if there was a hack involved, because as far as I know, the groups I farmed with had nothing to do with a hack, as Leprekan pointed out. |
Who says they won't release a statement? For goodness sake's most of this Leviathan sized thread has occurred OVER A WEEKEND! You can't expect Anet to snap to and make 117 people their top priority as a company. I am sure they will release information in their own time and not in the 117's inflated sense of urgency over this issue.
It's a big deal to the 117, but for the rest of GW life goes on. The game continues. Anet too has issues to work on other than who loaded the Forbidden Zone more than 4 times. They'll get to when they get to it.
Mickey
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Who says they won't release a statement? For goodness sake's most of this Leviathan sized thread has occurred OVER A WEEKEND! You can't expect Anet to snap to and make 117 people their top priority as a company. I am sure they will release information when in their own time and not in the 117's inflated sense of urgency over this issue.
It's a big deal to the 117, but for the rest of GW life goes on. The game continues. Anet too has issues to work on other than who loaded the Forbidden Zone more 4 times. They'll get to when they get to it. |
I really believe that this was a 50/50 thing here. Anet screwed up 50%, and we screwed up 50%.
Anet: Didn't fix the bug when it was reported
We: Used the bug, varying amount of times, for profit, or for gifts, or for just fun farming with friends.
I can't tell how this is going to turn out, I just hope that they might soften up on the ban a bit, maybe turn it from perma-ban to week long for some of us.
Cuthroat Dibbler
The thread also reduces in size because people keep naming Guilds and players.
I find it amusing how quickly and easily many "grass" on people in vain attempts to make themselves look better. Anyhoo.... stop with the naming and make ya point appears to be a sound way to keep your post up and alive.
I find it amusing how quickly and easily many "grass" on people in vain attempts to make themselves look better. Anyhoo.... stop with the naming and make ya point appears to be a sound way to keep your post up and alive.
Creeping Carl
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Anet: Didn't fix the bug when it was reported
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We: Used the bug, varying amount of times, for profit, or for gifts, or for just fun farming with friends.
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I'd say if you truly only used the bug a couple of times unknowingly and unwittingly, then focus on that. All the shifting of blame and excuses and arguing of semantics just makes you all look bad.
Mickey
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Does not give you a free ticket to abuse the bug.
Now how is anyone supposed to distinguish whether you used the bug simply for fun or you using the bug for profit? Or for gifts? Should it really matter? Not really, because people can use any excuse to defend themselves. I'd say if you truly only used the bug a couple of times unknowingly and unwittingly, then focus on that. All the shifting of blame and excuses and arguing of semantics just makes you all look bad. |
Creeping Carl
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I'm not trying to use this to make my own case look stronger. I'm just saying, yo u can't lay all the blame down on exploiters because the company they are exploiting didn't fix the bug 6 months earlier, when no one was exploiting it, and they had the chance to do it.
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