Nerfing TNTF and Seed of Life.. but not Ursan.. - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Wolala Wagaga

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 08:55 - 1

i just started playing my monk again in PvE after not touching her for a couple of months... and i really really missed Seed of life

i mean... wtf did anet nerfed those skills... even though they are 'strong'... they are prof specific and not too 'imba'

now.. they introduce ursan.. i hav no objection to it... but at least bring back my beloved seed of life! (i know it wont happen, but i just feel sad

)

if anet doesnt care about PvE balance, why did they nerf the two skills... maybe ursan is really NOT over powered i guess??

I Will Heal You Ally

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

In my HoM

Canthan Refugees [TOGO]

E/Rt

11 Jan 2008 at 09:01 - 2

Well they did nerf it making the skill touchable. As far as that I don't find ursan so great. Yeah it's a good spike with 4+ people using it but you'll find rarely places where to use it cuz spellcasters needs to be out of aggro when the tank pulls and such and it just doesn't give you that much armor so you can say you're invincible. If you're a tank, mez, sin or any other less used proffesion then this is great for you, but every team needs to have their nukers, ss, monk up and ready to do their job. People using ursanway everywhere are just lazy to make their own build for that area... and not so many got guildies who're willing to help you out. So far the only place I found ursanway was good is UW and FoW and it's just great for having it there cuz now other professions can't complain they can't do anything and that's a really big plus for Anet

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

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11 Jan 2008 at 09:01 - 3

Seed of Life and TNTF continue to be extremely powerful skills. Ursan just breaks the game, and is boring to play. Also, this has been discussed before. Alot.

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

:D:D

D/W

11 Jan 2008 at 09:34 - 4

don't worry. Ursan will be nerfed...in time. Think of it like the BMP. Anet wanted enough people to look at the Scribes and historian in the MIDDLE of LA so that they would want it, and offer it again. Same goes for Ursan. When enough people have heard of Ursan, they will be wanting to buy GWEN. THEN anet will nerf it.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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11 Jan 2008 at 09:36 - 5

I"m sure Ursan will get nerfed more too. Anet is just trying to destroy the economy some more and then have people get a better chance at higher end titles. Because those casual whiners. If you have more real life than game life, then you should suck and fail in game. Same goes the other way around.

Surprised you guys didn't figure that one out yet.

isildorbiafra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Netherlands

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11 Jan 2008 at 12:29 - 6

Ursan will not be nerfed. It is the only way average players can vanquish and do hard mode; and with players leaving gw by the hoards allready; they will not nerf it. It makes it possible for solo and unexperienced players to play eotn. And yes it is part of breaking the gw economy and making it all; and i do mean all available to everyone.

It wont be nerfed because there will be no followup expansion afther eotn; so they need to make eotn as atractive as possible.

Think about it. Whats fun in playing a game where there is no exclusivity anymore.

Anet is making shure that when the time comes evreryone buyes gw2!

Just wait and see. Its just a matter of time till kanaxai; panda and polar bears start dropping from high end chests and elite missions!

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

11 Jan 2008 at 12:35 - 7

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Originally Posted by isildorbiafra

Ursan will not be nerfed. It is the only way average players can vanquish and do hard mode; and with players leaving gw by the hoards allready; they will not nerf it. It makes it possible for solo and unexperienced players to play eotn. And yes it is part of breaking the gw economy and making it all; and i do mean all available to everyone.

Why play a game if there is no challenge or anything to aim for? You can roll through Hard Mode while not knowing how to play Guild Wars with PvE skills. There isn't much replay value to the game without the concept of build design and tactics.

I'd say more players are lost to the game being dull, single-player, and grindish than to the game being hard. It is one of the easier games.

This has been discussed into the ground though. I'll leave it open for now.

isildorbiafra

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Join Date: Aug 2007

The Netherlands

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11 Jan 2008 at 12:42 - 8

The value is in dollars. The hard core player has already bought eotn. Anmet needs cash. Now its time to make the game appealing to the average/ casual player that does not want to waste time with skill balance and intrecate builds!

I agree. Ursan makes some builds obsolete and does not apeal to the xp player but thats not the point. The point is cash and attracting new sources of revenue.

Pupu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Left gw..yawn

W/N

11 Jan 2008 at 12:43 - 9

ursan is a skill and its here to stay, live with it.

i never use it but i can accept it into the game, why cant you?

Gregslot

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

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11 Jan 2008 at 12:44 - 10

Again with the nerf ursarn, dont nerf ursan thing....
CLOOOSEEEE!!!

Kabroz the necro

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Mo

11 Jan 2008 at 12:45 - 11

When there wasn't Ursan, lots of people complained when there was hard to find Uw/FoW/Vanquishing group. Ursan made chance for average players to try soem of them. Was pretty happy when done UW cler first time.

Seed of life and TNTF - Why you complain now? TNTF is ok right now, but though seed of life does realy need buff now.

Just leave ALL PvE skills like they are now, no complaining, whinning, trolling, agruing etc.

My advice: Enjoy game! it doesn't matter other people do it, if you hate Ursan - do not use it. Once again this is only a game (unless you are hardcore player)
If you don't enjoy playing... DON'T PLAY!

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

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D/W

11 Jan 2008 at 13:41 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabroz the necro

When there wasn't Ursan, lots of people complained when there was hard to find Uw/FoW/Vanquishing group. Ursan made chance for average players to try soem of them. Was pretty happy when done UW cler first time.

Seed of life and TNTF - Why you complain now? TNTF is ok right now, but though seed of life does realy need buff now.

Just leave ALL PvE skills like they are now, no complaining, whinning, trolling, agruing etc.

My advice: Enjoy game! it doesn't matter other people do it, if you hate Ursan - do not use it. Once again this is only a game (unless you are hardcore player)
If you don't enjoy playing... DON'T PLAY!

wise words

Theo Godscythe

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

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11 Jan 2008 at 13:50 - 13

Ok let's nerf Ursan
and let's nerf Necros
and Eles
and Monks
and Warrios
and Mesmerers
and Rits
and everything

Stop your pointless whining and get a LIFE. Without Ursan or "Save Yourselves!" Paragons HARDMODE+VANQUISHIGN WOULD BE A PAIN!

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

11 Jan 2008 at 13:52 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theo Godscythe

Ok let's nerf Ursan
and let's nerf Necros
and Eles
and Monks
and Warrios
and Mesmerers
and Rits
and everything

Stop your pointless whining and get a LIFE. Without Ursan or "Save Yourselves!" Paragons HARDMODE+VANQUISHIGN WOULD BE A PAIN!

Yeah, god forbid difficult things be difficult. We can't have Hard Mode actually being hard, after all.

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

11 Jan 2008 at 13:55 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theo Godscythe

Stop your pointless whining and get a LIFE. Without Ursan or "Save Yourselves!" Paragons HARDMODE+VANQUISHIGN WOULD BE A PAIN!

No.

Without retarded PvE-Skills AND with quality AI in mind, Hardmode could have been fun.

See, my friend? I play for fun while you work. Else you wouldn't touch Hardmode at all.

Who needs a life now?

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

11 Jan 2008 at 13:58 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theo Godscythe

Ok let's nerf Ursan
and let's nerf Necros
and Eles
and Monks
and Warrios
and Mesmerers
and Rits
and everything

Stop your pointless whining and get a LIFE. Without Ursan or "Save Yourselves!" Paragons HARDMODE+VANQUISHIGN WOULD BE A PAIN!

Hardmode is not supposed to be hard?

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

11 Jan 2008 at 14:02 - 17

Having vanquished everything in all four chapters with heroes and hench only and no PvE only skills, I can authoritatively say that these skills are entirely irrelevant. Use them as a crutch if you are a lame player, but realise that what's broken cannot be broken.

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

11 Jan 2008 at 14:04 - 18

Another Ursan thread. Who's surprised?

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

11 Jan 2008 at 14:05 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surena

No.
Without retarded PvE-Skills AND with quality AI in mind, Hardmode could have been fun.
See, my friend? I play for fun while you work. Else you wouldn't touch Hardmode at all.
Who needs a life now?

And until that happens - I'd rather have retarded skills.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

but realise that what's broken cannot be broken.

Aye.

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

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11 Jan 2008 at 14:16 - 20

ANet are not going to nerf Ursan because ANet:

1) are bad
2) understand that there are terrible players in this game who need OP skills to help them beat the harder areas.

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

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11 Jan 2008 at 14:19 - 21

is it possible to start a thread without it turning into ursan bashing time?
jesus people get over it and move on.
I'll be back on guru in a couple months. maybe by then you'll find something new to bitch about

Wolala Wagaga

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 14:20 - 22

this is not meant to be another ursan thread... i was trying to figure out WHY anet nerfed TNTF and Seed of Life (which not alot of ppl were complaining about them being too strong etc etc) and not touching Ursan... i hope anet can make a statement about it... whether they actually think ursan is 'balance' (not too powerful as an elite) or they are 'too scare' to upset the crowd ;P

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

11 Jan 2008 at 14:22 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolala Wagaga

this is not meant to be another ursan thread... i was trying to figure out WHY anet nerfed TNTF and Seed of Life (which not alot of ppl were complaining about them being too strong etc etc) and not touching Ursan... i hope anet can make a statement about it... whether they actually think ursan is 'balance' (not too powerful as an elite) or they are 'too scare' to upset the crowd ;P

I'm of the opinion that ANet isn't balancing them for the same reason they added them - continually raising the bar of power with PvE skills. I could be completely wrong, and I hope so, but that's what it seems like to me. Same reason PvE skills have gotten buffs (CoP) recently.

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

11 Jan 2008 at 14:29 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolala Wagaga

this is not meant to be another ursan thread... i was trying to figure out WHY anet nerfed TNTF and Seed of Life (which not alot of ppl were complaining about them being too strong etc etc) and not touching Ursan... i hope anet can make a statement about it... whether they actually think ursan is 'balance' (not too powerful as an elite) or they are 'too scare' to upset the crowd ;P

This GW Guru. There can be no mention of Ursan without it turning into an Ursan thread, especially if it is mentioned in the subject. Sorry, that's the way things go around here. Keep watching.

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Kangaroo-land.

Blades of the Dingo [AUST]

11 Jan 2008 at 14:31 - 25

Ursan is for the non-elite player.

Mitchel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Almkerk, The Netherlands

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11 Jan 2008 at 14:31 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Hardmode is not supposed to be hard?

But....how I am supposed to win if there isn't any imba shit to be abused?

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

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11 Jan 2008 at 14:35 - 27

Maybe ursan was not nerfed because anet thinks that having only two professions in game makes it fun?

God forbid players needing to have clue about game mechanics! All you need is to grind, grind2success! Even if you are so clueless that you need guide to be ursan, you can beat hardest challenge in one evening and get shineys.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly Herro

Ursan is for the non-elite player.

Elite areas are NOT for non-elite players.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitchel

But....how I am supposed to win if there isn't any imba shit to be abused?

Maybe you are not supposed to win?

Sub Frost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Portugal

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11 Jan 2008 at 14:36 - 28

Again with the Ursan... no one forces you to use it, no one forces you to even obtain it, just play the way you enjoy.

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

11 Jan 2008 at 14:41 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly Herro

Ursan is for the non-elite player.

Yet all so-called "elite" players play with PvE skills like TNTF and SY.

Yang Whirlwind

~ Retired ~

Join Date: Nov 2005

Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1)

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11 Jan 2008 at 14:46 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theo Godscythe

Stop your pointless whining and get a LIFE. Without Ursan or "Save Yourselves!" Paragons HARDMODE+VANQUISHIGN WOULD BE A PAIN!

2/3 done with Vanquisher (only need Cantha) - never used a paragon for those and the two warriors I'm vanquishing together with claim they do more damage with a normal build and splinter weapon!
Personally the only two GWEN skills I really use are Summon Ruby Djinn and Pain Inverter - they both rock as supplement to my sear. nuker!

I have absolutely no problem with Anet nerfing skills here and there - why is it that there's always these big conspiracy theories about their motives? They are not that hard to figure out:
1. Earn money
2. Find ways of earning more money
3. Keep people interested in their products, so they can earn more money

Maybe you guys forget they are business people? They didn't start this game to change the world,- they did it to get rich! (what a bomb-shell

)

Can't see nothing wrong with that philosophy! But then again,- I'm just a big old nasty capitalist too

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

11 Jan 2008 at 15:16 - 31

Tntf and Seed of Life nerf were surprising, they were ridiculously powerful but few people were actually taking advantage of the strength of these skills. I believe they should have been nerfed, I just didn't expect it.

Ursan on the other hand is getting used by every other bad player in existance - I'd hesitate to say it's a good skill, if you suck at the game it's pretty amazing I guess because it gives you very good DPS without actually knowing how to play... if you do know how to play, it sort of gimps you. It is very mind numbing and allows all sorts of terrible to do absolutely anything in PVE. They could fix it or I could just accept GW PVE is really shit and they don't care anymore. They also might take into account the skill level of their average playerbase - not a great deal of players would be able to do DoA without PVE skills. This becomes apparent when you learn people used air spikers to face him in the past, so pro.

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

11 Jan 2008 at 15:45 - 32

I think people need to stop complaining about PvE skills being nerfed. If you can't monk with Seed of Life or w/e other PvE skill you need to reconsider playing monk.

The only PvE skills I really have used are Breath of the Great Dwarf (to replace Heal Party in Great Destroyer mission) and Light of Deldrimor (for treasures)...

I have no problems with other people running mass amounts of PvE skills, it's just disturbing that it has become such a HUGE crutch.

lilDeath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Treehouse #1

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11 Jan 2008 at 15:49 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theo Godscythe

Without Ursan or "Save Yourselves!" Paragons HARDMODE+VANQUISHIGN WOULD BE A PAIN!

I find this post funny.
Considering I am about 70% complete with the Legendary Vanquishing and have not used Ursan or "Save Yourselves" Paragons for vanquishing at all. Got Legendary Guardian without Ursan / "SY" and "leeching" too.
I am yet to fail a map in HM with vanquishing.

SO uhm... enough assumptions and / or learn to play.

HARD MODE is ... HARD for a reason...

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

11 Jan 2008 at 16:12 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by isildorbiafra

Ursan will not be nerfed. It is the only way average players can vanquish and do hard mode

Wrong - just because it is the 'only way' to you doesn't mean WE have to rely on such an imba and boring skill doesn't mean its the 'only way'

Quote:

It wont be nerfed because there will be no followup expansion afther eotn; so they need to make eotn as atractive as possible.

for one skill....?

Quote:

Think about it. Whats fun in playing a game where there is no exclusivity anymore.

Yeah, UB caused that didn't it?

Quote:

Anet is making shure that when the time comes evreryone buyes gw2!

It's Sure, not Shure.
And how does UB make the game fun?
It lowers the need to play good.

Quote:

Just wait and see. Its just a matter of time till kanaxai; panda and polar bears start dropping from high end chests and elite missions!

Wut?
They were promo's and they are *not* coming out again...at least from my mind...

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

I think people need to stop complaining about PvE skills being nerfed. If you can't monk with Seed of Life or w/e other PvE skill you need to reconsider playing monk.

QFT.

Icey

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 16:37 - 35

I love ursan the way it is. If you don't like it, don't use it, plain and simple. I also find it VERY fun!

Icey

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 16:42 - 36

Why do people say ursan is boring...I find it MORE boring to spend 5 hours to complete a mission, than 2.5....man the GW world is full of cry babies and whinners...No wonder these cry babies are playing GW and not WOW, otherwise they'd be..."no fair, you can access any skill anytime and you're a lvl70!!!"....

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

11 Jan 2008 at 16:45 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icey

Why do people say ursan is boring...I find it MORE boring to spend 5 hours to complete a mission, than 2.5....man the GW world is full of cry babies and whinners

Because it's skill spamming, and too easy?
Just because you don't understand what 'challenge' means gives you no obligation to call people who don't use it 'whinners' or 'crybabies'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icey

I love ursan the way it is. If you don't like it, don't use it, plain and simple. I also find it VERY fun!

Did you read the top?
No, thought not...
It is asking why they nerfed TNTF and Seed of Life, and not nerfing ursan...

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

11 Jan 2008 at 16:54 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icey

GW world is full of cry babies and whinners...

Oh, the irony...

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

11 Jan 2008 at 17:10 - 39

What's so pro about the way people beat areas before? PVE isn't about skill it's about taking advantage of simple AI with the strongest build.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

11 Jan 2008 at 17:13 - 40

When I have to deleted 1/2 a 2 page thread for flames/flamebait then I need to close.