55 ele build?

hurdlebeast

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First are 55 ele's possible? I mean i know theoretically they are (pretty much any char w/55 health and monk secondary could be called a 55'er) but would having elementalist as a primary ruin the build? Has anyone done the 55 build (i'm sure ppl have) and if so, could they please post a usable, working build on here?

Here are the skills i was thinking about using for my 55 ele build

[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill][skill]Essence bond[/skill][skill]Aura of Restoration[/skill][skill]Retribution[/skill]+2 Optional damage dealers (flame burst, mebee?)

dunno how skills would be distributed, healing prayers and energy storage would be highest, then smiting, then optional element.

any help is greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.

guitarfreak192002

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You could add in Sliver Armor for extra damage and protection. You attributes would be stretched pretty thin having to deal with 4 skill classes. Interesting though

hurdlebeast

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i was thinking about that too, sliver armor+aftershock? or SoJ and aftershock, double damage on that one.

Shockwave...damn. i think i found my elite.

guitarfreak192002

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I would definately take out retribution, it does such low damage that it would take forever to kill anything and make killing anything that can heal impossible.

The Way Out

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lol... add obi as an elite and go with an SS/SV. This build works.

hurdlebeast

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uhhh...what?

sorry only been playing my ele for <a month, dunno all the abbreviations yet

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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast
uhhh...what?

sorry only been playing my ele for <a month, dunno all the abbreviations yet He means [skill]Obsidian Flesh[/skill]

SS/SV is a second character using[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill] or [skill]Spoil Victor[/skill] to kill enemies while you are tanking them.

hurdlebeast

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k, i thought that's what he meant (obsidian flesh) and i knew SS was spiteful spirit, wasn't sure if he was suggesting that i switch to necro second and use a ss build somehow.

I had no idea what spoil victor was. thanks.

actually this works out nicely, i can use obsidian flesh and get Olias SS, or even use the sabway build...this could end up nicely after all

Coloneh

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obs flesh or sandstorm
sliver armor
aftershock
Prot spirit
HB
Mending
Balth Aura
Essence bond

hurdlebeast

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HB? lol jk, jk. i'm actually using healing breeze on my ele as he is right now, helps the monks a bit and keeps me alive longer. best bang for the buck w/o dumping huge points into healing

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Why retribution on a 55? It would do like 3 dmg if that and the e/d is better neway.

Tyla

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lose retrib, bring in some PBAoE!
imo

Coloneh

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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast
HB? lol jk, jk. i'm actually using healing breeze on my ele as he is right now, helps the monks a bit and keeps me alive longer. best bang for the buck w/o dumping huge points into healing thats not good. HB is a terrible waste of a skill slot unless you are running low health with prot spirit.

hurdlebeast

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i used it in the vizunah square mission, had 2 superior runes on and the monks suxed. agreed on the wasted slot, would have much rather took along another damage dealer.

Edit: ran into a hitch; can't put monk runes on ele armor.

rick1027

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Quote:
Originally Posted by hurdlebeast
i used it in the vizunah square mission, had 2 superior runes on and the monks suxed. agreed on the wasted slot, would have much rather took along another damage dealer.

Edit: ran into a hitch; can't put monk runes on ele armor. a 55 necro doesnt use monk runes why does the ele need too

Pyro maniac

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either sliver armor (maybe + glyph of renewal) or just some crap PBAoE fire magic skills

Morzan Murtangh

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I just made 55hp ele, but i don't know where to farm.

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Remember that a 55 doesn't need a specific elite to survive, which is probs why it's the most wide spread farming build.
Usin an ele Elite you can do pretty nice things, like using [skill=text]Mind Blast[/skill] to chain [skill=text]Lava Font[/skill], any other energy gain elite would probably work as well, combine that with enough radiant insignias and runes of attunement and you can take out points of energy management to get enough fire to make [skill=text]Mark of Rodgort[/skill] work with it, so even stuff that isn't adjacent to you can be subjected to constant damage.

Shyft the Pyro

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Any caster profession can be set up to 55. In fact, in the old days it was cheaper to make a non-monk 55, because monk superior runes cost more than those of all other professions - with the exception of the coveted Superior Absorption, which used to fetch 100k. Don't laugh, young ones

I've farmed Hydras outside Augury Rock with my 55 ele back before Factions was released. All you need is the classic build:

[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Zealot's Fire[/skill][skill]Shield of Judgment[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill]

The hydras are immune to knockdown, which means the only time they won't take SoJ damage is when they start casting. Zealot's Fire is there to supplement your damage; just remember not to trigger it too often, or the hydras will think they're standing in a "per second" AoE spell and run off.

Of course, new campaigns have introduced numerous improvements to the farming ele:

First, there's [skill]Spirit Bond[/skill] - an excellent alternative to Healing Breeze if you bring low-AL armor. Granted, the skill has been nerfed so that it only affects a certain number of hits rather than every hit for its duration, but the low cast time and recharge mean you can be protected virtually all the time.

Second, there's [skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill], which - unlike most other things - prevents damage after Protective Spirit reduces it. A Monk primary can keep this up almost all the time (with + enchantment duration items and [skill]Blessed Aura[/skill], I believe), but Shield of Absorption will provide even the secondary monk with a considerable span of near-total invulnerability.

Even without the new campaigns, though, the elementalist has its own version of an "indestructible" build for farming. Consider this, which I made (again, before Factions was released) to farm those same hydras:

[skill]Elemental Attunement[/skill][skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Aura of Restoration[/skill][skill]Kinetic Armor[/skill][skill]Aftershock[/skill][skill]Flame Burst[/skill][skill]Inferno[/skill][skill]Armor of Earth[/skill]

The increase in AL the skills in this build provided made the hydras' damage survivable even with only Aura of Restoration as the sole source of healing, basically letting you spam Flame Burst as soon as it recharged until the hydras died. Of course, certain changes have been made to render the build a lot less useful - like the fact that +AL spells no longer stack beyond a maximum of +24 or whatever's provided by a single spell - but the elementalist instead got new toys to play with:

[skill]Earth Attunement[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill][skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Aura of Restoration[/skill][skill]Obsidian Flesh[/skill][skill]Glyph of Swiftness[/skill][skill]Stone Striker[/skill][skill]Mantra of Earth[/skill](or [skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill] and [skill]Essence Bond[/skill])

This, of course, is more suitable for killing specific bosses rather than general farming, since Sliver Armor's effectiveness is reduced the less things are attacking you, but I'm making a point about the incredibly potent protective nature of elementalist spells. With some energy management - Attunements, or skills from a secondary profession - the elementalist can farm very well without needing to rely on builds made for its secondaries.

Now, if the issue is not just survivability but speed of the kills, you'll need someone else's analysis. I haven't farmed with my elementalist in quite some time, and I don't have a monk 55 farmer to compare the efficiency to anyway

hurdlebeast

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would zealot's fire be activated every single time a spell like shield of judgement is activated? like, say i had 5 enemies attacking me a the same time, and shield of judgement knocks down/damages all 5 of them. would zealot's fire be activated 5 times, or is it only activated when you physically click on the skill button?

also, i run that sliver armor build (or pretty close to it), i have some other damage dealers thrown in (aftershock is one) but the real key to that build is maintaining stoneflesh aura/obsidian flesh. otherwise you will die in an instant.

Cebe

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[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Shielding Hands[/skill][skill]Glyph of Renewal[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill][skill]Aftershock[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill]

I used that a bit, in places of no enchantment stripping and no degen it works "ok"...though if there isn't much around Sliver Armor doesn't kill very fast. I never tested much really because my monk is far more adept at that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro
but the elementalist instead got new toys to play with:

[skill]Earth Attunement[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill][skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Aura of Restoration[/skill][skill]Obsidian Flesh[/skill][skill]Glyph of Swiftness[/skill][skill]Stone Striker[/skill][skill]Mantra of Earth[/skill](or [skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill] and [skill]Essence Bond[/skill])

This, of course, is more suitable for killing specific bosses rather than general farming, since Sliver Armor's effectiveness is reduced the less things are attacking you, but I'm making a point about the incredibly potent protective nature of elementalist spells. With some energy management - Attunements, or skills from a secondary profession - the elementalist can farm very well without needing to rely on builds made for its secondaries. That seems pretty good in a lot of areas to be honest, and you don't even need to have 55HP.

Shyft the Pyro

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Quote:
Originally Posted by hurdlebeast
would zealot's fire be activated every single time a spell like shield of judgement is activated? like, say i had 5 enemies attacking me a the same time, and shield of judgement knocks down/damages all 5 of them. would zealot's fire be activated 5 times, or is it only activated when you physically click on the skill button?
Zealot's Fire triggers on casting. That's the reason I originally included Reversal of Fortune in my 55 build - it was the cheapest, fastest-recharging monk spell I could target myself with, which set off Zealot's Fire and did extra damage to the hydras. The strategy won't work these days, because hydras (and most other things) are programmed to run away after about two "pulses" of AoE spells, which effectively translates into "two damage bursts in two seconds." Between Reversal of Fortune spam and renewing Protective Spirit and Healing Breeze, you're bound to chase them away.

Actually, what I've done for minotaur farming in Elona Reach - just to see whether I could do it - was to bring Protective Spirit, Healing Breeze, Spirit Bond, and Searing Flames + Glowing Gaze as my kill. The minotaurs may run off, but Searing Flames can finish them even at a distance, and Glowing Gaze provides energy when they're not all busy crushing your face.

It wasn't the most effective thing, though, so I generally gave up on that

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
That seems pretty good in a lot of areas to be honest, and you don't even need to have 55HP. That's because it's pretty much the same thing as the UW build

Though, back in the day, I did take my 55 ele to tank for some SS users in the Underworld. Ah, nostalgia...

hurdlebeast

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just an update, i found these builds to work sufficiently:

[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Obsidian Flesh[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill][skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill]

Earth Magic 11+1+3
Energy Storage 1+3
Healing Prayers 11
Protection Prayers 10

Mostly used as in a SS combo, doesn't deal damage fast enough to be great for farming. Usually i switch off between Obi and Sliver, and try to maintain Stoneflesh as much as possible. Basically what you guys were showing me, and it works pretty darn well.


[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Lava Font[/skill][skill]Lava Arrows[/skill][skill]Inferno[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill]

Fire Magic 8+1+3
Energy Storage 2+3
Healing Prayers 10
Protection Prayers 12

More used as a solo, lava font is surprisingly effective, depending on your views on scatter (I like it, they come back anyways and it deals a good bit of damage before the scatter, has low recharge, and isn't wasted too much on scattered enemies (5 second duration, they usually scatter around 4ish). Lava arrows is nice because is also has a low recharge, low cost, and can hit 3 foes at a time. Inferno is pretty self explaining, cast away.

[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Swirling Aura[/skill][skill]Flame Djinn's Haste[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill]

Water Magic 11+3
Fire Magic 1+1+3
Healing Prayers 10
Protection Prayers 12

I am currently testing this as a run build, Mist Form to keep the constant stream of attacks down, Swirling Aura as a 1/2 blocker, and Flame Djinn's Haste as a speed booster (slight delay between end of duration and recast, but good enough for me ). This is still in testing, needs some tweaking IMO.

Dr Dimento

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[skill]Glyph of Renewal[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill][skill]Aura of Restoration[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Shielding Hands[/skill][skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill]

Screw, the 55, go with 135hp and bring your favorite earth staff of enchanting instead of a crappy axe and offhand.

It in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhtKUxH3S8U

when casting prot spirit..always cast:
Protective spirit, Shielding hands, Stoneflesh Aura.

Cast liking that, immediately one after the other, keeps you from taking any damage whatsoever (so you can mass aggro). Then you have AoR just to counter degen and life stealing, which is fairly easy. Also, if they have a foe (or foes) in the area that can strip an enchantment (if they remove all ur just screwed) you have covered protective spirit with sliver armor, shielding hands, stoneflesh aura, and aura of restoration. So they'll need to strip 5 enchants to kill prot spirit.

This build is a boss farming beast.

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[card]Protective Spirit[/card][card]Healing Breeze[/card][card]Glyph of Swiftness[/card][card]Obsidian Flesh[/card][card]Sliver Armor[/card][card]Stoneflesh Aura[/card][card]Mending[/card][card]Balthazar's Spirit[/card] i use this one to solo a few bosses and farm jade brotherhood outisde marketplace .. of course it's still a bit iffy to me, but it works for 55 ele. only real problem is if prioritizing which to put up and keep up first, +20% enchants is Highly recommended

Kermitz

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Why try make a 'farmer' ele if E/A already excist? I don't see the point of an ele with smiting prayers... if monk can do better

Seven Flames

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kermitz
Why try make a 'farmer' ele if E/A already excist? I don't see the point of an ele with smiting prayers... if monk can do better its Not an ele with smiting prayers, none are used or needed. and the Point of it, is to explore the limits of an eles capabilities, worked for me

and E/A isn't Everything, it has it's flaws and weaknesses, as well as things it Can't farm.

Dr Dimento

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E/A lol. E/A has its places.....there are also places an E/A is pretty much useless. Also, if you can't kill it in 17 seconds (or so) with E/A, you pretty much can't kill it. That really does hurt the effectiveness. With a 135hp ele....you can farm anywhere without enchant stripping, and you don't have to worry about whether you can kill them in a few seconds.....since you can be there all day if need be. E/A is far from the best ele farming idea in my book, though in many places it IS the best way. I say idea since some use sliver, others use fire magic.

Omega Precept

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Here was my first attempt at 135 ele build, it served me well. I used this particular build because I had all the necessary skills. Since I have made it I have modified it a series of times but you get the General picture.

[skill]Glyph of Renewal[/skill] [skill]sliver armor[/skill] [skill]aura of restoration[/skill] [skill]healing breeze[/skill] [skill]protective spirit[/skill] [skill]stoneflesh aura[/skill] [skill]essence bond[/skill] [skill]balthazar's spirit[/skill]

However I find that there are lot of other builds that do not utilize the 55 template that are much more effective at solo farming. Hit me up if you like to learn how to solo FoW, UW, Tomb, or green farming. Have different builds for each